Karmelo Anthony murder trial

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It's half the sentence or 30 years whichever is less. So if they sentenced him to 80 years he would be eligible in 30.

Jury instructions in Texas no longer include any notice of parole or early release for good behavior so most jurors are surprised to learn that the convicted may only serve 1/3rd to 1/2 of their sentence.


This is kind of where I stand. I think they're saying he has to serve half but I have a weird feeling he'll be out in less.

He won't, there's programs and stuff available that can show change, but the family carries a lot of weight with parole. That's also leaving out how he reacts when he gets in. If he gangs up, that will be a problem for him because he'll accumulate paper with required fights over the years. My guess is he'll be used as a crash test dummy and have his people pump him up to go do stupid ****, which he will. He will struggle in prison, especially if he ends up somewhere like Rocking Robinson in West Texas. I don't think he gets through prison clean.


If he goes to Ferguson or Beto, he'll have to clique up too, so odds are he'll have to catch some cases inside to survive his time.

This case is simply a tragedy all around. I wonder why kids resort to weapons now, when back in the day fists was all we needed to settle disputes.

Did some psych rotation visits to a prison when I was in school. One of the prison mental health persons told us how the young and/or weak prisoners have to either join a gang for "protection" or commit some sort of offense that lands them in solitary away from the predatory gen pops that are exploiting them. To get into solitary they would often do something overtly sexual like masturbating in front of a guard. This rises to the level of sexual assault so they get sent to solitary instead of some other more restrictive gen pop unit and that time doesn't count for time served on their original sentence time. They get locked into a spiral of solitary to predatory gen pop back to solitary repeat cycle. The ones that join the gang will always rack up additional offenses that add to their time as well. KA is exactly the kind of inmate that's going to get caught in one of these cycles. Agree with other posters that are thinking that he never gets out or will be in his late 40's or 50's if he ever does.

And he deserves every bit of it and much, much more.
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It's strange that people who call themselves "advocates" would abandon Karmelo at the very moment he was being told he was going to prison.

During sentencing and the victim impact statements, Karmelo Anthony's parents were absent from the courtroom.

When Hunter asked Karmelo to look him in the eyes during his impact statement, Karmelo looked up for a few seconds, then looked back down for the remainder of the heartbreaking statement.

These people seem completely devoid of any sense of decency. They don't care about accountability. They're angry that a man is facing consequences for his actions.

Even then, no sentence will ever be enough. Nothing can bring Austin back.



Without a knife, Anthony can't even look another man in the eye.
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Backyard Gator said:



Without a knife, Anthony can't even look another man in the eye.


It's a bold statement that some dislike but there's a massive cultural divide. The things most of us have either been taught or learned to be polite, proper and appropriate are not commonplace with Karmelo, fam, and "advocates".
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Rapier108 said:

35 years is the jury chickening out.

Should have gotten life in prison.


While I'm not saying that I wouldn't have gone for more had I been on the jury (I would have wanted 40, myself), I don't think 35 is anything to sneeze at. Put aside potential parole timelines for a second and think about how long 35 years is. For those under 40, I'm not sure you have a clear perspective on that time even though some of you have lived that long. Frankly, only those of us in our 50s and older have a clear perspective on this timeline as we were adults -- or close to adult age -- 35 years ago.

I had just graduated A&M, it would be a few years before I entered law school and a few months before I got my first "professional" job. I hadn't gotten married yet (and I've been married a LONG time), hadn't bought or even rented a house yet and I've been in half a dozen since. I had purchased ONE car at the time and have since purchased somewhere around 15. Other than base level educational skills (reading, writing, math, etc.), about the only education I had at the time I currently USE, I could easily pick back up in 4-6 months if I hypothetically lost it. A year at the absolute most.

Best case scenario is that he will re-enter society in about 25-27 years, aged approximately 43-45 with absolutely no skills. IF he uses his time wisely, maybe he'll get a college degree inside, but without the ability to do anything with it, he'll be a mid-career person with no experience and won't be able to get many professional jobs, including teacher, law enforcement, go to law school, and anything else a felony conviction prevents you from doing. This doesn't even begin to deal with the fact that he'll have ZERO assets and over 20 years behind in accumulating anything of value. Even people I know that are my age that don't own a home and have debt can still furnish their house, kitchen, and cover their yard needs, if they want. Not to mention clothing. He won't have any friends from before today and will find relationships extremely difficult for various reasons.

I could go on for an hour here, but the point is that 25-35 years, which is what he'll do, is very significant.
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Backyard Gator said:



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It's strange that people who call themselves "advocates" would abandon Karmelo at the very moment he was being told he was going to prison.

During sentencing and the victim impact statements, Karmelo Anthony's parents were absent from the courtroom.

When Hunter asked Karmelo to look him in the eyes during his impact statement, Karmelo looked up for a few seconds, then looked back down for the remainder of the heartbreaking statement.

These people seem completely devoid of any sense of decency. They don't care about accountability. They're angry that a man is facing consequences for his actions.

Even then, no sentence will ever be enough. Nothing can bring Austin back.



Without a knife, Anthony can't even look another man in the eye.

His own parents couldn't even be there to support their sex trophy
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It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.

Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.

I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.
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Does the Metcalf family sue in civil court? I'd pursue a healthy judgment against the parents and the thug. Hamstring his ass for the rest of his life and make his parents give up that free money they stole from the defense fund.
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FrioAg 00 said:

It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.

Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.

I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.


Often not dealt a great hand to begin life BUT nowadays with social media, Google, and even AI, it's not hard to figure out how to do things that used to need to be either directly taught or experienced. That does require a desire to be different though and work at bettering oneself

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FrioAg 00 said:

It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.

Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.

I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.

Yep.. CNN and all the leftist media have instilled this type of culture into the adults heads who then teach it to their kids. these kids don't have a chance and don't know right from wrong because the parents don't know either and then teach them this. f ed up all the way around, it's a culture that is taught and it's not good. Glad this is over, people need to try and heal and move on from this senseless killing of a student athlete. Their are plenty of black families that don't live by that culture, some are good friends of mine, time to heal from this
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AGpops1923 said:

Does the Metcalf family sue in civil court? I'd pursue a healthy judgment against the parents and the thug. Hamstring his ass for the rest of his life and make his parents give up that free money they stole from the defense fund.


From how the father was speaking, it wouldn't surprise me. Is that money remotely recoverable though and how fresh do you want to keep that trauma? In that position, I might do it just to do my best to prevent Karmelo from getting commissary
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Karmelo wanted Street Cred. Earned it the cheap way. Now, he's gonna have to earn Prison Cred. He'll get some for offing a White kid, but he's gonna get hard in the House, and turn out worse.

Don't blame that on the system though. His culture and decisions of CHOICE made that decision for him. Now, he's on the hot seat (no pun intended).
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BadMoonRisin said:



This clown really testing the borders of the "Yokel" defense.



Do these blm people even have a job?
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whatever money was spent on his defense, well done. It was impressive lol. Glad to see these folks get fleeced. Mike Howard can get a new boat delivered by July 4th


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AGpops1923 said:

Does the Metcalf family sue in civil court? I'd pursue a healthy judgment against the parents and the thug. Hamstring his ass for the rest of his life and make his parents give up that free money they stole from the defense fund.


They would have a (potential) statutory cause of action under the family code (against the parents), but that limits itself to property damage claims only. They'd have to allege and prove general common law negligence on the part of the parents, but the caselaw I've seen would make that difficult. What they CAN do is, either through filing suit or pre-suit discovery, depose the parents and discover what the hell is going on with the so-called legal fund.

Obviously, the wrongful death claim against KA is all but open and shut, liability wise.

If the parents had a blanket liability homeowners (or renters) policy, that may also cover KA and torts he may have committed. This came into play with the Aggie Bonfire collapse with respect to Redpots and their parents' homeowners/liability policy. I don't recall how all that shaked out.
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91AggieLawyer said:

Rapier108 said:

35 years is the jury chickening out.

Should have gotten life in prison.


While I'm not saying that I wouldn't have gone for more had I been on the jury (I would have wanted 40, myself), I don't think 35 is anything to sneeze at. Put aside potential parole timelines for a second and think about how long 35 years is. For those under 40, I'm not sure you have a clear perspective on that time even though some of you have lived that long. Frankly, only those of us in our 50s and older have a clear perspective on this timeline as we were adults -- or close to adult age -- 35 years ago.

I had just graduated A&M, it would be a few years before I entered law school and a few months before I got my first "professional" job. I hadn't gotten married yet (and I've been married a LONG time), hadn't bought or even rented a house yet and I've been in half a dozen since. I had purchased ONE car at the time and have since purchased somewhere around 15. Other than base level educational skills (reading, writing, math, etc.), about the only education I had at the time I currently USE, I could easily pick back up in 4-6 months if I hypothetically lost it. A year at the absolute most.

Best case scenario is that he will re-enter society in about 25-27 years, aged approximately 43-45 with absolutely no skills. IF he uses his time wisely, maybe he'll get a college degree inside, but without the ability to do anything with it, he'll be a mid-career person with no experience and won't be able to get many professional jobs, including teacher, law enforcement, go to law school, and anything else a felony conviction prevents you from doing. This doesn't even begin to deal with the fact that he'll have ZERO assets and over 20 years behind in accumulating anything of value. Even people I know that are my age that don't own a home and have debt can still furnish their house, kitchen, and cover their yard needs, if they want. Not to mention clothing. He won't have any friends from before today and will find relationships extremely difficult for various reasons.

I could go on for an hour here, but the point is that 25-35 years, which is what he'll do, is very significant.

Still not significant enough when he likely took 60 or so years from another person. All the things you mention that he won't have when he gets out is nothing, absolutely nothing, when the person he murdered won't have the rest of his life.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

Muy said:

Wanted life with no parole. Hate crime is what would have done it but somehow our fair justice system doesn't include violence against whites as "hate".


This is overthinking it, black kids kill other black kids just as flippantly all the time. Way more often in fact.

This was an impulsive act of violence by someone trying to "keep it real" and believing he was defending his reputation. He wasn't gonna be made to leave by anyone. If a black kid on the track team had done it we'd likely be in the exact same spot just with little to no media interest. I think the assumption that he stabbed Metcalf because he was white is both unfounded and missing the point.

Dream up facts much?
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Does anyone know what race KA was there to run?
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Soulless shark eyes.
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TAMUallen said:



Bye Felicha
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DoitBest said:

Does anyone know what race KA was there to run?

Why?
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Just curious...

there is a difference in attitude from short sprinters to mid/long distance guys...

then you got field events that are a totally different mindset....
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DoitBest said:

Just curious...

there is a difference in attitude from short sprinters to mid/long distance guys...

then you got field events that are a totally different mindset....



It's also relevant because I highly doubt he was 5'7 135 running hurdles or the 100
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DoitBest said:

Does anyone know what race KA was there to run?
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He was a 4X400 alternate, but he wasn't going to be a part of the relay. He didn't qualify for the district meet in either the 400m or the 100m which were the only events he competed in during the track season. Dude was slow, but entitled to something. His time was probably 5th-6th place in a middle school district meet in NTX in both events.0 Not close to Varsity times for district.
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He ran a 57 in the 400m and a 12.4 in the 100m.
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FriscoKid said:

He ran a 57 in the 400m and a 12.4 in the 100m.


So he was maybe bottom at his own school? Guess he'll get used to being bottom now
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DoitBest said:

Just curious...

there is a difference in attitude from short sprinters to mid/long distance guys...

then you got field events that are a totally different mindset....


His mindset was that he had a knife and he planned to stab someone

I swear, some of y'all get bogged down on the most extraneous crap imaginable.

What event he was there for doesn't change the fact that he committed murder. What even he was scheduled for doesn't change the guilty verdict.
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TAMUallen said:

DoitBest said:

Just curious...

there is a difference in attitude from short sprinters to mid/long distance guys...

then you got field events that are a totally different mindset....



It's also relevant because I highly doubt he was 5'7 135 running hurdles or the 100

He claimed he was 5'11 160 lbs on Hudl, which means he was probably 5'9 or thereabouts.

They said 5'7 135 in the court room because people are dumb and believe whatever they're told/read.

One glance at his 'highlight' video and you see an average athlete that is afraid of contact. He was an ankle tackler.

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one safe place said:

91AggieLawyer said:

Rapier108 said:

35 years is the jury chickening out.

Should have gotten life in prison.


While I'm not saying that I wouldn't have gone for more had I been on the jury (I would have wanted 40, myself), I don't think 35 is anything to sneeze at. Put aside potential parole timelines for a second and think about how long 35 years is. For those under 40, I'm not sure you have a clear perspective on that time even though some of you have lived that long. Frankly, only those of us in our 50s and older have a clear perspective on this timeline as we were adults -- or close to adult age -- 35 years ago.

I had just graduated A&M, it would be a few years before I entered law school and a few months before I got my first "professional" job. I hadn't gotten married yet (and I've been married a LONG time), hadn't bought or even rented a house yet and I've been in half a dozen since. I had purchased ONE car at the time and have since purchased somewhere around 15. Other than base level educational skills (reading, writing, math, etc.), about the only education I had at the time I currently USE, I could easily pick back up in 4-6 months if I hypothetically lost it. A year at the absolute most.

Best case scenario is that he will re-enter society in about 25-27 years, aged approximately 43-45 with absolutely no skills. IF he uses his time wisely, maybe he'll get a college degree inside, but without the ability to do anything with it, he'll be a mid-career person with no experience and won't be able to get many professional jobs, including teacher, law enforcement, go to law school, and anything else a felony conviction prevents you from doing. This doesn't even begin to deal with the fact that he'll have ZERO assets and over 20 years behind in accumulating anything of value. Even people I know that are my age that don't own a home and have debt can still furnish their house, kitchen, and cover their yard needs, if they want. Not to mention clothing. He won't have any friends from before today and will find relationships extremely difficult for various reasons.

I could go on for an hour here, but the point is that 25-35 years, which is what he'll do, is very significant.

Still not significant enough when he likely took 60 or so years from another person. All the things you mention that he won't have when he gets out is nothing, absolutely nothing, when the person he murdered won't have the rest of his life.


By that standard, only the death penalty would suffice. And that would be the case in EVERY murder trial.

I'm not arguing it is significant ENOUGH; I plainly said I would have wanted 40 or more. But you could make the same argument you made if they gave him 50, or 80, or maybe even 99. So I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make.

A nuclear explosion is/was significant. But saying the Hiroshima wasn't "significant enough" compared to the Tsar Bomb didn't mean it still wasn't significant. My comment was directed at those that think 35 is next to nothing.
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if the Anthony family had any sense, brains, soul or heart they would all be loudly thanking this jury for showing Karmelo mercy and compassion.



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FrioAg 00 said:

It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.

Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.

I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.


The "culture" isn't progressing. It's regressing. Despite the advantages offered and taken, beginning with LBJ, there is seemingly little overall progress … save and except those who smartly changed their mindset, actions, and choices.
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FrioAg 00 said:

It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.

Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.

I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.

Many choose a military life as their escape plan. My friend did and now he is a success in life and happiness. He and through him his childern escaped.
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TexasAggie81 said:

FrioAg 00 said:

It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.

Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.

I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.


The "culture" isn't progressing. It's regressing. Despite the advantages offered and taken, beginning with LBJ, there is seemingly little overall progress … save and except those who smartly changed their mindset, actions, and choices.

I think the argument can be fairly made that LBJ destroyed black society in the United States.
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TexasAggie81 said:

FrioAg 00 said:

It's just so sad how many innocent kids are being born into this culture and never have a chance in hell at escaping it.

Yes, at some point they all become responsible for themselves and what they perpetuate, but they don't start out this way. It's engrained from the first day though.

I just don't know where it goes. What TF do we do with this subculture that is just completely valueless and lost.


The "culture" isn't progressing. It's regressing. Despite the advantages offered and taken, beginning with LBJ, there is seemingly little overall progress … save and except those who smartly changed their mindset, actions, and choices.

I would argue that beginning with LBJ was the beginning of this culture we have now.
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