I have two thoughts on this.

The first is that God works in mysterious ways and has shown in scripture to use unconventional sources. In the book of Numbers, he spoke to Balaam through his donkey. To paraphrase Rich Mullins, "...he has been speaking through asses ever since. So if God chooses to speak through you, you need not think too highly of yourself."

The second is "you will know them by their fruit." That should be self-explanatory.

Ag in Tiger Country said:

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GrapevineAg said:

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Personally, I could use a lot less religion in my politics.

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Two of the Ten Commandments say not to Steal or Lie; if more politicians followed those two, we'd be better off, wouldn't you agree? In its simplest form, those two are found in the "Golden Rule"; do you object to the "Golden Rule" too?

With respect to the other eight, that'd be asking too much of our politicians, so I'd be content with starting at those two.

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How about stop sowing the seeds of coveting, which is a fundamental strategy of the Dims.

For a while there definitely thought he was ushering in the AntiChrist.

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AggieVictor10 said:

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He's the most Christ-like president since Reagan

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I lol'd. Trump is completely areligious as an individual.

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He didn't say he's perfect, just the most Christ like, and he's not wrong.

Good Trump

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AggieVictor10 said:

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He's the most Christ-like president since Reagan

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I lol'd. Trump is completely areligious as an individual.

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You have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah you're probably right at one point but not now.

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I know that Robert Jeffress from First Baptist Dallas has spent a good deal of time with President Trump. I am beyond confident that Dr. Jeffress has clearly communicated, Billy Graham style, the gospel message to him.

After being with Dr. Jeffress, there is zero chance Trump's understanding of the matter is not crystal clear. I have had a hope that Trump has accepted Jesus as his savior so I have the tendency to listen when he starts speaking on the subject. That Easter message sure makes it sound like he has become a believer. You also have to think he has to be somewhat neutral with his word choices as he is also communicating to citizens that may be unbelievers.

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Absolutely correct and he has spent a lot of time with Franklin Graham and Jack Graham and many other pastors

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I remember when he read a verse off of the teleprompter and introduced it as "Two Thesselonians chapter two."

Yeah. No.

I like it better when he is himself. He doesn't need to pander.

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I'm the son of a pastor and I have quoted or mispronounced different names in the Bible so does that make me less Christian than you? This is such a lazy take on your part and technically what he said was not false. It is the second Thessalonians so saying two Thessalonians is not incorrect

1) Only God knows his heart

2) He's nowhere near "Christlike". That's idiotic on every level.

3) unlike Biden, he coherently speaks to the holiday's importance to Christians.

4) he hasn't lived a very religious-based life, but....unlike Biden and Harris, his kids are productive members of society and seemingly good people in their own right.

5) and yes "Two Corinthians" is indicative of biblical ignorance.

Still better than Biden or Harris.

BigRobSA said:

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1) Only God knows his heart

2) He's nowhere near "Christlike". That's idiotic on every level.

3) unlike Biden, he coherently speaks to the holiday's importance to Christians.

4) he hasn't lived a very religious-based life, but....unlike Biden and Harris, his kids are productive members of society and seemingly good people in their own right.

5) and yes "Two Corinthians" is indicative of biblical ignorance.

Still better than Biden or Harris.

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Well...

DUH.

There was only ONE Corinthian.

The rest were just wannabes...

TexasAggie73 said:

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Just hope he starts walking the talk. We have had too many talkers both in politics and religion that dont walk the talk.

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Amen

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AggieVictor10 said:

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He's the most Christ-like president since Reagan

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Bruh……I voted for DJT three times. That guy is no holy rolly. Dude slept with a pron star and probably has done some other immoral chit.

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So? Other presidents since Reagan set the bar low enough that I'm still right.

Unless you have TDS.

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I know that Robert Jeffress from First Baptist Dallas has spent a good deal of time with President Trump. I am beyond confident that Dr. Jeffress has clearly communicated, Billy Graham style, the gospel message to him.

After being with Dr. Jeffress, there is zero chance Trump's understanding of the matter is not crystal clear. I have had a hope that Trump has accepted Jesus as his savior so I have the tendency to listen when he starts speaking on the subject. That Easter message sure makes it sound like he has become a believer. You also have to think he has to be somewhat neutral with his word choices as he is also communicating to citizens that may be unbelievers.

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I can't stand senior global pastor jeffress

He's nothing but a great advertiser/marketer/salesman and most importantly a CEO. He wears many hats and has created a conglomerate in the name of religion. It has spawned even more theatrical "nondenom" copies that they then compete and copy, gradually.

I just can't get over the fact that my grandparents have given him so much money that it would make most people sick. Yet grandparents haven't even been able to sit down and talk with him like a regular person for 5 minutes because you have to maintain this image that you're elusive and too busy for those who donate so that others will donate even more.

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I thought it wasn't our place to cast judgement on another because that's God's job. Did you get promoted to that role, because how else are you able to question Trump's own statements that the assassination attempt changed him, & how do you know what's really in his heart? If you were promoted, why aren't you even handed in your criticisms, like with Biden & his topless him/her at the Easter celebration he had with kids present? OR, do you want to take a stab at the topic about the blasphemous Sisters of Indulgence?

But enough about Christians; that's low hanging fruit for Libs. Let's switch gears and poke fun at Buddhist, Hindus, & ESPECIALLY Muslims; what do you say trying your hand at equity & making fun of those others & their faith?

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You know, how can posters here say stuff like we don't know what's in his heart or it's not for us to judge? I've said those exact things in threads questioning my Christianity. I wasn't going to post, but you had to go and say "low hanging fruit for Libs." I'm liberal. Im whatever other names you want to call me. But, I do know Christ and am a Christian.

Focus on the message, not the messenger.

God often uses imperfect messengers.

It is the devil that twists us in knots trying to "qualify" the messenger so we lose focus on the message.

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BusterAg said:

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I remember when he read a verse off of the teleprompter and introduced it as "Two Thesselonians chapter two."

Yeah. No.

I like it better when he is himself. He doesn't need to pander.

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I'm the son of a pastor and I have quoted or mispronounced different names in the Bible so does that make me less Christian than you? This is such a lazy take on your part and technically what he said was not false. It is the second Thessalonians so saying two Thessalonians is not incorrect

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It shows a disingenuous familiarity with the word.

I would have maybe come off better had he said: "I read somewhere in the Bible where it said...."

It's just like when you are in a room of engineers and use the exact wrong jargon to refer to a specific part or something. You just outed yourself as someone that is trying to be in the club that really doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

It isn't like Trump to admit that he is a Christian, unless he is going to be the most famous, most amazing, best Christian ever. If Trump has started to convert to Christianity, his appearance as a baby Christian is not going to work well with his overall persona. Better that he do those moves in private.

What Trump does well is show respect to Christians, God, and the importance of God to the heritage of this nation and the founding fathers. I think he would do better to lean into that while he is still in office.

God has always used the most unlikely of characters to bring people to Jesus.

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From what he has said on several occasions I doubt he has actually read the Bible from cover to cover but good on him for speaking the word of the Lord which he has shown he is not afraid to do.

Sadly he could speak word from word from the Bible and some liberals would be against it just because Trump said it. Sad times

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For the left, politics and leftism is their religion. They can be Christian and leftists and their leftism will trump their Christianity every time.

Trump is a Christian. Heck, he is opening his own home this morning for a worship service to celebrate Easter. He held a service last Monday for WH staff, and is bringing in members of his cabinet and their families along with the other guests for the Easter Egg Roll tomorrow, this year without the bunny running press interference, topless trans folks and pride flags.

But on a personal level, Franklin Graham and others would tell you he does take his Christianity seriously and has long maintained association with Christian leaders from a variety of faiths.

Statements like "disingenuous familiarity with the word" show a level of condescending judgment that baffles me as a Christian. There is no such thing as a good Christian or bad Christian or "baby" Christian.

Trump has lived a public life for decades and that includes all of his mistakes, poor judgment, scandals and such all right out in the open. He doesn't portray himself as a Christian leader, he is a leader who is Christian (and who has a healthy respect for non-Christian faiths as well.

Let's contrast this with a false prophet recently lionized by many… Jimmy Carter. USSS agents have described the Carters as some of the most hateful people to the staff during their time in the White House. But they were good Baptists… when they bloviated about that they would not have alcohol in the White House, the staff took them at their word and had it all removed by Inauguration Day. Their first Sunday in the residence they sent down for their usual Bloody Mary and were incensed that the staff had removed their alcohol and demanded they find some vodka and get it made. An agent had to go to his house and retrieve a bottle as obviously all stores were closed.

In my book, that false image many create about their Christianity is worse than anything Trump has ever done or been accused of doing. The only thing more egregious than that false image is then using that holier than thou to judge others regarding their individual faith.

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GaryClare said:

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I know that Robert Jeffress from First Baptist Dallas has spent a good deal of time with President Trump. I am beyond confident that Dr. Jeffress has clearly communicated, Billy Graham style, the gospel message to him.

After being with Dr. Jeffress, there is zero chance Trump's understanding of the matter is not crystal clear. I have had a hope that Trump has accepted Jesus as his savior so I have the tendency to listen when he starts speaking on the subject. That Easter message sure makes it sound like he has become a believer. You also have to think he has to be somewhat neutral with his word choices as he is also communicating to citizens that may be unbelievers.

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I can't stand senior global pastor jeffress

He's nothing but a great advertiser/marketer/salesman and most importantly a CEO. He wears many hats and has created a conglomerate in the name of religion. It has spawned even more theatrical "nondenom" copies that they then compete and copy, gradually.

I just can't get over the fact that my grandparents have given him so much money that it would make most people sick. Yet grandparents haven't even been able to sit down and talk with him like a regular person for 5 minutes because you have to maintain this image that you're elusive and too busy for those who donate so that others will donate even more.

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This is funny. I know Dr. Jeffress has some holes, but plainly and clearly stating the gospel message isn't one of them. That was the nature of the reference of my post.

To give you an example of my objectivity with him. I was, and I suppose still am, a member of First Dallas. There are so many great things about that place and quite a few not so great things about that place. So I was in a hotel one morning and was scrolling through the channel guide looking for CNBC. I got to a section of channels with all the prosperity gospel preachers and just rolled my eyes. Right in the middle of all the rats I see the Pathway to Victory, which is what I, with absolutely no first hand knowledge, cynically believe is his side hustle. But I generally like him and think to myself, "I could use a good sermon to listen to while I get this ready this morning". So I turn it on and I kid you not, he's right in the middle of how you need to give money to (him) to receive all of God's rewards. It was almost like I was listening to Kenneth Copeland. My sermon of the day from Dr. Jeffress lasted about 30 seconds.

So yes, I understand where you are coming from. But the guy is very willing and able to give a clear gospel. message.

This is the first true man of God we have had in the White House in my lifetime. God bless President Trump!

He knows there's a spiritual war. Happy to see him take a side.

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AggieVictor10 said:

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He's the most Christ-like president since Reagan

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Bruh……I voted for DJT three times. That guy is no holy rolly. Dude slept with a pron star and probably has done some other immoral chit.

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So? Other presidents since Reagan set the bar low enough that I'm still right.

Unless you have TDS.

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No, this was a bad take, just move on.

The best Trump.

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This is the first true man of God we have had in the White House in my lifetime. God bless President Trump!

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Happy 4/20 to you as well. You're on that good kush.

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Amen. I am popping by 1600 Penn in a bit to spark an owl with my boy Elon. Believe he was once a "devout" atheist but has trended now more agnostic with an appreciation of the teachings of Christ.

I have a very open view towards God and though I am a Christian, I tend to believe I will see Jews, Muslims and maybe a few other surprises once inside the pearly gates.

Christianity, for all its chatter on being compassionate, accepting and otherwise, seems always want to default to identifying those who won't get to heaven. That doesn't jive with the God I know.

GrapevineAg said:

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Personally, I could use a lot less religion in my politics.

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Personally, I could use a lot less politics in my religion.

The god you know is not the God of the Bible.

John 14:6 is as clear as it gets.

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frenchtoast said:

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This is the first true man of God we have had in the White House in my lifetime. God bless President Trump!

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Happy 4/20 to you as well. You're on that good kush.

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Amen. I am popping by 1600 Penn in a bit to spark an owl with my boy Elon. Believe he was once a "devout" atheist but has trended now more agnostic with an appreciation of the teachings of Christ.

I have a very open view towards God and though I am a Christian, I tend to believe I will see Jews, Muslims and maybe a few other surprises once inside the pearly gates.

Christianity, for all its chatter on being compassionate, accepting and otherwise, seems always want to default to identifying those who won't get to heaven. That doesn't jive with the God I know.

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I understand that this is your personal perspective, but it is impossible to read the Bible and come away with the belief that there are any other ways to Heaven than through Christ.