Do people that are here illegally have rights to due process, other than to confirm they are illegals?

"Due process" isn't a singular package of legal options. It's the legal process that befits the situation. If you would reasonably understand yourself to be here illegally or under fraudulent pretenses; you should get tossed with minimal fanfare.

If you could be confused about your status or are otherwise in legal status that's being revoked: you probably should get a legal hearing.

TexAgs91 said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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Do people that are here illegally have rights to due process, other than to confirm they are illegals?

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This was already answered by previous admins, like Clinton, Bush, Obama. No. Illegals had no rights. They weren't citizens. They were just deported.

Why is this a issue now? TDS?

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But, didn't those illegals have their day in court? That is the difference that seems to have people all worked up. That and the fact that many of the illegal immigrants are being sent to prison in El Salvador instead of whatever country they originated from.

I've asked a couple of lawyers at work and some friends from church who are lawyers and they've all said that the U.S. Constitution requires any person in the United States to be given due process. Doesn't matter if you are a citizen or an illegal immigrant.

I assume that is what has caused the hold up all of these years regarding immigration. Not enough immigration lawyers, immigration judges, immigration courts.

Yep, if here illegally, they need to go back. It's pretty simple.

Due process for illegal aliens sounds a lot like welfare for lawyers. They got to go and it should take a week, max.

"Due process" is not here to protect illegals any more than it's here to protect serial killers. It's here to protect everybody else. If people came with signs telling you all the crimes they committed, it would be easy. Due process is to make sure some innocent guy doesn't get sent away for life cause some post on Facebook or made up story on a news channel suggests they did something bad.

FloridaAgg said:

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"Due process" is not here to protect illegals any more than it's here to protect serial killers. It's here to protect everybody else. If people came with signs telling you all the crimes they committed, it would be easy. Due process is to make sure some innocent guy doesn't get sent away for life cause some post on Facebook or made up story on a news channel suggests they did something bad.

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If they are here illegally, they did something bad enough to get sent back to wherever they left.

Maroon Dawn said:

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The only due process they should get is a judge sees the evidence that the Fed gives them which honestly only needs to amount to you illegally crossed the border and therefore are being deported. Should take 5 minutes.

Dems want every single one of them to get a year long jury trial to tie up the system and prevent mass deportations to keep their illegals here

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I eluded to this in another thread. I guarantee the border sectors of CBP do not hold illegals for months awaiting trial. They're tried quickly, sentenced to leave, and herded on a bus when they have a full load in a day or two.
Trump and Co. need to establish a "special" immigration court or two with 18 judges going 24/7 6 days a week. Establish who the perp is, whether he crossed illegally, and if he has a previous record or gang affiliation. That determines whether he goes home or to the special place in El Salvador.

If Dems can import ten million of them when in power without due process but we can't send them back when Republicans are in power without ten million trials, the crux is we won't have a country much longer.

murphyag said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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Do people that are here illegally have rights to due process, other than to confirm they are illegals?

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This was already answered by previous admins, like Clinton, Bush, Obama. No. Illegals had no rights. They weren't citizens. They were just deported.

Why is this a issue now? TDS?

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But, didn't those illegals have their day in court? That is the difference that seems to have people all worked up. That and the fact that many of the illegal immigrants are being sent to prison in El Salvador instead of whatever country they originated from.

I've asked a couple of lawyers at work and some friends from church who are lawyers and they've all said that the U.S. Constitution requires any person in the United States to be given due process. Doesn't matter if you are a citizen or an illegal immigrant.

I assume that is what has caused the hold up all of these years regarding immigration. Not enough immigration lawyers, immigration judges, immigration courts.

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But that doesn't have to be in person nor in a trial.

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So again, why is there an outcry now, when there wasn't one before? TDS?

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Given it a moment. It takes a little while for someone to realize they weren't actually against the policies they pretended to care about, but simply against Orange Man. Or sometimes they can never accept it.

This board needs a forum, like the covid forum, dedicated to educating and helping people recover from TDS.

The absolute most idiotic concept EVER in govt is giving so called "rights" to non-citizens. They BROKE THE LAW to get here and continue to break the law every single day they stay here and they think they deserve rights that should be reserved for US citizens? GTFOHWTS. And if you think they should be afforded these rights then why don't you open up you own house and welcome these people with open arms??? Oh, you won't because then it would affect you directly and you're much happier with the it affecting ALL of us indirectly. F you and the horse you rode in on. Damned leftists are scum of the earth. Always have been and always will be.

well said.

At this point, the Trump admin should bring him back, allow a big press pool to cover him coming back, have his abused wife meet him on the tarmac..


and then... arrest him at the airport, and send him right back where he belongs, El Salvador.

Can someone explain to me how being picked up, detained briefly while to determine whether they are here legally or not, and then deported if determined they are here illegally is not due process? Having a border patrol agent pick somebody up, not bother to check their status and toss them back over the border themselves would be lacking due process, but that isn't what we do.

But, I'm sure the lawyers here will tell me that's an oversimplification because if there is one thing lawyers do well, it's making simple things murky and complex. Job security and all.

If we take the role of natural rights as those inherent to every single human being, regardless of race, sex, opinions, and country of origin, there are of course certain rights afforded to everyone.

Clearly defining where "the line" between what is a right as an American Citizen vs. the natural rights to all humans is the tricky part.


Free speech? Yea, clearly.

Religion? Of course.

Assembly: we won't tell you where or how to move about or who to associate with.

Bear arms? hmm....tough one here.

Fair trial and protection against unreasonable search and seizures? Generally yes, but if you are here under a specified reason, such as a travelers visa or student visa, we should have specific guardrails in place to make sure you're still doing what you said you were doing while visiting.

Petition the government? Absolutely, there should be a process to ask a request through the proper government procedure to handle requests.


I think a reasonable person could say that non-citizens in the US deserve all the above.

But the "new" rights created over the last bit that a lot of people like to claim, such as right to education, right to vote, right to housing....debatable.

Not to mention the right to stay if they are here illegally. Allowing that is suicidal for this country.

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Can someone explain to me how being picked up, detained briefly while to determine whether they are here legally or not, and then deported if determined they are here illegally is not due process? Having a border patrol agent pick somebody up, not bother to check their status and toss them back over the border themselves would be lacking due process, but that isn't what we do.

But, I'm sure the lawyers here will tell me that's an oversimplification because if there is one thing lawyers do well, it's making simple things murky and complex. Job security and all.

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the leftists here that were cheering on Dementia Joe's administration suing the state of texas for putting down concertina wire to prevent illegals from crossing the border have new marching orders...and that is to tie up the legal system indefinitely to get rid of these freeloading, criminal wastes of space.

This whole thread demonstrates why it is an issue. The concept is so poorly understood that you have people saying certain people shouldn't get that thing and others saying they would change the definition. Due process is not some well defined thing. It is dependent on the issue at hand. It's not necessarily a day in court or a jury trial. It's the ability to fairly argue some conclusion. It has nothing to do with the natural rights given by our creator. Stop muddying the water by saying you think the government should take away inalienable rights.

The due process in this case is to stand in front of an arbiter of facts and argue that you're either here legally or you're not. Asylum claim? Prove this is the first acceptable country. Can't? GTFO.

Based on the left's beliefs, illegals have all the same rights, get even more government handouts than citizens, are allowed to violate the law with no repercussions, do not have to pay the same level of taxes as a citizen, should be allowed to vote....

So I'm wondering.....what's the benefit of being an actual US citizen these days? Honestly?

The voters want all illegals gone even CNN admits this, so if Democrats wanna start talking about due process and other BS that's fine. It's a losing issue.

TexAgs91 said:

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murphyag said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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Do people that are here illegally have rights to due process, other than to confirm they are illegals?

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This was already answered by previous admins, like Clinton, Bush, Obama. No. Illegals had no rights. They weren't citizens. They were just deported.

Why is this a issue now? TDS?

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But, didn't those illegals have their day in court? That is the difference that seems to have people all worked up. That and the fact that many of the illegal immigrants are being sent to prison in El Salvador instead of whatever country they originated from.

I've asked a couple of lawyers at work and some friends from church who are lawyers and they've all said that the U.S. Constitution requires any person in the United States to be given due process. Doesn't matter if you are a citizen or an illegal immigrant.

I assume that is what has caused the hold up all of these years regarding immigration. Not enough immigration lawyers, immigration judges, immigration courts.

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That's not what happened. 75% of the illegals deported under Obama did not have their day in court and were processed by the Dept of Homeland Security.

So again, why is there an outcry now, when there wasn't one before? TDS?

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Where did you find the information about 75% of illegals deported by Obama didn't have due process/their day in court? I'd like to show it to the lawyers I mentioned in my earlier comment.

murphyag said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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Do people that are here illegally have rights to due process, other than to confirm they are illegals?

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This was already answered by previous admins, like Clinton, Bush, Obama. No. Illegals had no rights. They weren't citizens. They were just deported.

Why is this a issue now? TDS?

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But, didn't those illegals have their day in court? That is the difference that seems to have people all worked up. That and the fact that many of the illegal immigrants are being sent to prison in El Salvador instead of whatever country they originated from.

I've asked a couple of lawyers at work and some friends from church who are lawyers and they've all said that the U.S. Constitution requires any person in the United States to be given due process. Doesn't matter if you are a citizen or an illegal immigrant.

I assume that is what has caused the hold up all of these years regarding immigration. Not enough immigration lawyers, immigration judges, immigration courts.

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It does not say this

murphyag said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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murphyag said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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Do people that are here illegally have rights to due process, other than to confirm they are illegals?

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This was already answered by previous admins, like Clinton, Bush, Obama. No. Illegals had no rights. They weren't citizens. They were just deported.

Why is this a issue now? TDS?

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But, didn't those illegals have their day in court? That is the difference that seems to have people all worked up. That and the fact that many of the illegal immigrants are being sent to prison in El Salvador instead of whatever country they originated from.

I've asked a couple of lawyers at work and some friends from church who are lawyers and they've all said that the U.S. Constitution requires any person in the United States to be given due process. Doesn't matter if you are a citizen or an illegal immigrant.

I assume that is what has caused the hold up all of these years regarding immigration. Not enough immigration lawyers, immigration judges, immigration courts.

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That's not what happened. 75% of the illegals deported under Obama did not have their day in court and were processed by the Dept of Homeland Security.

So again, why is there an outcry now, when there wasn't one before? TDS?

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Where did you find the information about 75% of illegals deported by Obama didn't have due process/their day in court? I'd like to show it to the lawyers I mentioned in my earlier comment.

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https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama

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One of MPI's principal findings is that the deportation system has dramatically changed over the past 19 years moving from a judicial system prior to 1996, where the vast majority of people facing deportation had immigration court hearings, to a system today of nonjudicial removals, where 75 percent of people removed do not see a judge before being expelled from the U.S.

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TexAgs91 said:

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murphyag said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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murphyag said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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MagnumLoad said:

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Do people that are here illegally have rights to due process, other than to confirm they are illegals?

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This was already answered by previous admins, like Clinton, Bush, Obama. No. Illegals had no rights. They weren't citizens. They were just deported.

Why is this a issue now? TDS?

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But, didn't those illegals have their day in court? That is the difference that seems to have people all worked up. That and the fact that many of the illegal immigrants are being sent to prison in El Salvador instead of whatever country they originated from.

I've asked a couple of lawyers at work and some friends from church who are lawyers and they've all said that the U.S. Constitution requires any person in the United States to be given due process. Doesn't matter if you are a citizen or an illegal immigrant.

I assume that is what has caused the hold up all of these years regarding immigration. Not enough immigration lawyers, immigration judges, immigration courts.

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That's not what happened. 75% of the illegals deported under Obama did not have their day in court and were processed by the Dept of Homeland Security.

So again, why is there an outcry now, when there wasn't one before? TDS?

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Where did you find the information about 75% of illegals deported by Obama didn't have due process/their day in court? I'd like to show it to the lawyers I mentioned in my earlier comment.

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https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama

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One of MPI's principal findings is that the deportation system has dramatically changed over the past 19 years moving from a judicial system prior to 1996, where the vast majority of people facing deportation had immigration court hearings, to a system today of nonjudicial removals, where 75 percent of people removed do not see a judge before being expelled from the U.S.

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Thanks

B-1 83 said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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The only due process they should get is a judge sees the evidence that the Fed gives them which honestly only needs to amount to you illegally crossed the border and therefore are being deported. Should take 5 minutes.

Dems want every single one of them to get a year long jury trial to tie up the system and prevent mass deportations to keep their illegals here

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I eluded to this in another thread. I guarantee the border sectors of CBP do not hold illegals for months awaiting trial. They're tried quickly, sentenced to leave, and herded on a bus when they have a full load in a day or two.
Trump and Co. need to establish a "special" immigration court or two with 18 judges going 24/7 6 days a week. Establish who the perp is, whether he crossed illegally, and if he has a previous record or gang affiliation. That determines whether he goes home or to the special place in El Salvador.

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For the longest time most were simply given a date in the future that they needed to be in court. Not surprisingly, a rather large percentage of these court appointments were not attended by the illegal that was to be on trial.

I was as shocked as the next guy to learn that somebody that came here illegally generally did not show up for a court date involving their legal status where they would, in all likelihood, be detained and deported after. I mean, who ever would have thought that to be the most common occurrence?

I have dated myself somewhere here. Talking to my CBP golf partner a while ago, what you are saying is correct for the last few years, for sure. I was talking (and CBP guy agreed) about pre-invasion. They would process them, run prints and such, run them through the court lickity split, hold them a "Wachenhut" for a few days (for a full busload) and ship them back.

Do these gangsters the same way.