My God. we really are moving towards handmaids, aren't we?
White House fertility proposals: $5,000 Baby Bonus, Parental scholarships
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The only way this might be ok is if they tested the parents IQ and if they were both greater than 120, then they get the payout.
Bob Lee said:
The birth control industry deserves more scrutiny. Putting 15 year old girls on birth control pills for 20+ years until they feel like they're ready to have a kid can't be helpful.
While I understand you have a religious opposition to birth control, government 1000% should not be involved in it.
This is a bad idea on the whole.
I get incentivizing young people to get cracking, though. My 30+ year old had their first in 2023 after being married for a decade. My similarly aged niece has been married for 7 years but no kids yet. We do need more kids born. But damn, I am betting such an incentive will be impossible to get rid of if it works in the short term, much like that UK example following World War freaking II.
I get incentivizing young people to get cracking, though. My 30+ year old had their first in 2023 after being married for a decade. My similarly aged niece has been married for 7 years but no kids yet. We do need more kids born. But damn, I am betting such an incentive will be impossible to get rid of if it works in the short term, much like that UK example following World War freaking II.
Fat Bottom Squirrels said:
Hispanic community about to be rich as f!
Horale!
Re-tarded Trump.
Wimmenz be lining up outside Nick Cannon's bedroom tho.
Wimmenz be lining up outside Nick Cannon's bedroom tho.
Signel said:
This is a great idea, honestly. We can't have a negative population decline or the country will die off.
We need young people to have an economy. We need free childcare for everyone IMO. It should not cost everyone 2k a month for a daycare when we have public schools already. I'm not exactly sure how we address this, but it can't be harder to have and support your kids than being single and just living YOLO.
The problem is the job market....we're progressively pushing to a smaller and smaller job pool. If we can't sustain gainful employment at a liveable wage, no birth rate boom is going to do anything but create a welfare state.
I suppose this is more of that Trump "fiscal responsibility" I've been hearing about?
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
Elon needs a new source of revenue?
The things that'd make the biggest impact to encouraging people to have more children are also the things that are the hardest to change:
- Lower cost of living so both parents don't have to work to survive/pay for childcare
- Change the mindset that being a stay at home parent is somehow beneath most people
- Change the mindset whereby society believes in PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY, so that our only examples of kids & teenagers aren't misbehaved hoodrats, but rather kids who have been disciplined at home and at school.
- Do away with social welfare programs that encourage & promote only the bottomfeeders of society to have children, rather than the truly productive members of society.
- Turn the tide on declining church membership and the nuclear family.
One time $5000 tax breaks and incentives here and there aren't going to do it. It's going to take real, systemic change in both the way society thinks and the way government views their role.
- Lower cost of living so both parents don't have to work to survive/pay for childcare
- Change the mindset that being a stay at home parent is somehow beneath most people
- Change the mindset whereby society believes in PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY, so that our only examples of kids & teenagers aren't misbehaved hoodrats, but rather kids who have been disciplined at home and at school.
- Do away with social welfare programs that encourage & promote only the bottomfeeders of society to have children, rather than the truly productive members of society.
- Turn the tide on declining church membership and the nuclear family.
One time $5000 tax breaks and incentives here and there aren't going to do it. It's going to take real, systemic change in both the way society thinks and the way government views their role.
Fat Bottom Squirrels said:
Gays are just going to ruin this by claiming discrimination.
I'll be the one to go against the grain....I don't have any real problem with the LGB folks. It's the TQIAA+ellemenopee ones that are the issue. If we have children in need of a good home, I have no problem with a good gay couple adopting and raising them. Some of the best people I've met in life are gay. Am I a Christian that believes homosexuality is a sin? Yes, but it's no more or less a sin than any that I or my straight friends commit on a daily basis. I don't ENCOURAGE sin, but I also don't turn my back on people who commit sin.
Against this but maybe if they put it in a fund to use for school (k-12, college, etc) later. Let it sit there and grow.
evestor1 said:agree with the 5k bonus.Signel said:
This is a great idea, honestly. We can't have a negative population decline or the country will die off.
We need young people to have an economy. We need free childcare for everyone IMO. It should not cost everyone 2k a month for a daycare when we have public schools already. I'm not exactly sure how we address this, but it can't be harder to have and support your kids than being single and just living YOLO.
free childcare i'm against.
It would be nice to see people live within their means and raise their own children. It's possible, my wife stayed home and raised our three!
I don't mind the conversation being had, the declining birthrate is a major problem. Hopefully at the end of the day the gov't involvement is next to nothing
Please tell me there's a special place in Heaven for Aggie fans! It's like we are living some sort of penance on Earth.
Put that $5k in the kid's IRA account and exempt them from social security.
Signel said:
This is a great idea, honestly. We can't have a negative population decline or the country will die off.
We need young people to have an economy. We need free childcare for everyone IMO. It should not cost everyone 2k a month for a daycare when we have public schools already. I'm not exactly sure how we address this, but it can't be harder to have and support your kids than being single and just living YOLO.
Wife doesn't have to work and yes, that might mean you have to have a lower level lifestyle. Jfc not sure why this is even an issue.
Ag_of_08 said:Signel said:
This is a great idea, honestly. We can't have a negative population decline or the country will die off.
We need young people to have an economy. We need free childcare for everyone IMO. It should not cost everyone 2k a month for a daycare when we have public schools already. I'm not exactly sure how we address this, but it can't be harder to have and support your kids than being single and just living YOLO.
The problem is the job market....we're progressively pushing to a smaller and smaller job pool. If we can't sustain gainful employment at a liveable wage, no birth rate boom is going to do anything but create a welfare state.
So people have said part of the reason wages have stagnated is that women are now working so the pool of available labor is so large that it keeps wages down. Now that we're also shrinking available jobs due to AI and outsourcing to other countries, it's just exacerbating the issue. Find the root cause of stagnated wages and fix that.
At a very, very basic (and not all that well thought-out) level:
- Couples don't make enough money to support a family. Why?
- Too large of a labor workforce and not enough jobs keeping wages low. Why?
- Women have joined the workforce and we've outsourced jobs overseas. Why?
- Women have been brainwashed to believe that it is sexist/mysoginist to be stay at home mothers, and companies put profit above all else. Why?
- The feminist movement, decline in church membership, government policies that promote a widening gap between upper and lower class.
Okay....tackle root cause.
I want to see fewer and fewer people as I age, not more. Everywhere I look, more and more people are building and encroaching on my previously remote area. Earth is way over-populated. That is all. I have clouds to go yell at.
many countries' governments have tried to financially incentivize having children to little or no success. South Korea, Singapore, Japan, Hungary, Russia to name a few. not sure it'll work here either.
I don't think being surrounded by more and more people would necessarily be a bad thing, if people knew how to act right. But everyone these days has Main Character energy and they're insufferable to be around. But that also goes back to the mindset of society where Gen Xers (to start with) planted this idea that their crotch fruit can do no wrong, deserves an award just for showing up, should be catered to, should not be disciplined, etc.
And I say this as a GenXer. Our Boomer parents threw us to the wolves, and I think a lot of us are better for it. It forced us to develop critical thinking skills, work ethic, and we know the world doesn't revolve around us. But for some reason, our generation went to the complete opposite extreme with how we raised our children. Coddled, built up that they're the best ever, not allowed to fail, never forced to work, never disciplined. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
And I say this as a GenXer. Our Boomer parents threw us to the wolves, and I think a lot of us are better for it. It forced us to develop critical thinking skills, work ethic, and we know the world doesn't revolve around us. But for some reason, our generation went to the complete opposite extreme with how we raised our children. Coddled, built up that they're the best ever, not allowed to fail, never forced to work, never disciplined. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
There is already tax credits and deductions for kids. Please tell me this is an April fools joke.
Good Trump
3rd most populated country in the world. The US will be fine.Signel said:
We can't have a negative population decline or the country will die off.
I thought Musk had already single handedly taken on the task of increasing pregnancies. I'm all for larger families but the bonus cash better come with some serious family planning talks otherwise we could be looking at just increasing the number of families that need gov't hand outs to support their brood.agaberto said:The White House is looking at ideas to encourage Americans to have more kids, including:
— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) April 21, 2025
1.) Give a $5,000 cash “baby bonus” to every American mother after delivery.
2.) Fund programs that educate women on their menstrual cycles.https://t.co/8usxowoiKX🇺🇸 TRUMP WANTS A BABY BOOM — WITH BONUSES, BADGES & BIRTH CHARTS
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) April 21, 2025
The Trump admin is officially in baby-boosting mode, pitching plans that sound part policy, part reality show.
Ideas on the table? A $5,000 “baby bonus” for new moms, a “National Medal of Motherhood” for women… https://t.co/pQxFjmGm5Y pic.twitter.com/mfDY1Xykz3
The White House is ramping up its fertility campaign. In February, the President signed an EO that expanded access to IVF with a promise to "advance IVF and help American families with the associated costs so American families can have more babies."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-expands-access-to-in-vitro-fertilization-ivf/
I am so proud to have a president that wants to see babies live and supports American families. The American family is back as a top priority with Donald Trump at the helm.
By borrowing from those children and their children and their children…. In other words, it would all be debt financed which is the problem. I also don't see anywhere in the Constitution that says the government should be getting into this line of subsidies. While I would like to see more kids, the answer isn't more government.John Fisher Pessimist said:
We need to incentivize having children (especially in two parent households), but how on earth do we pay for this?
Existing entitlement structures are out of control.
Old McDonald said:
many countries' governments have tried to financially incentivize having children to little or no success. South Korea, Singapore, Japan, Hungary, Russia to name a few. not sure it'll work here either.
Yeah, I was thinking about Hungary. They did this and there was a small boost and then it leveled off and didn't move the needle too much, overall. From what I recall.
Easy there, free childcare and public schools are liberal ideas.Signel said:
This is a great idea, honestly. We can't have a negative population decline or the country will die off.
We need young people to have an economy. We need free childcare for everyone IMO. It should not cost everyone 2k a month for a daycare when we have public schools already. I'm not exactly sure how we address this, but it can't be harder to have and support your kids than being single and just living YOLO.
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What are the problems:
1. Women on birth control don't see babies and children as positively
2. DINKs economically make single income families priced out of reasonable housing
3. Urbanization of the workforce contributes more to the DINK influence
4. Families don't live near one another so no child support available. Definitely no multi-generational housing.
5. Pleonexia has fully gripped Americans. Kids "compete" with that
6. Failing public schools mean the need for homeschool/private especially in urban areas.
7. Sex has been divorced from babies. Sex is culturally in America perceived as a thing of power or pleasure. The church has really failed to define see as the unifying act and got caught up in stigmatizing it to discourage out of wedlock sex. Which i see as a short sided shortcut with consequences.
1. Women on birth control don't see babies and children as positively
2. DINKs economically make single income families priced out of reasonable housing
3. Urbanization of the workforce contributes more to the DINK influence
4. Families don't live near one another so no child support available. Definitely no multi-generational housing.
5. Pleonexia has fully gripped Americans. Kids "compete" with that
6. Failing public schools mean the need for homeschool/private especially in urban areas.
7. Sex has been divorced from babies. Sex is culturally in America perceived as a thing of power or pleasure. The church has really failed to define see as the unifying act and got caught up in stigmatizing it to discourage out of wedlock sex. Which i see as a short sided shortcut with consequences.
Wife an I are considering a third kid. If this were 10 years ago, we'd probably have that third already. $5k to have a kid would put a dent into your childcare cost…..
AgreedDill-Ag13 said:
Should only apply to married couples to foster the nuclear family but I know that would just create a marriage and divorce boom and bust.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin
Giving people money for doing acts they already do or encouraging then to do these acts is straight out the Dem play book. "Hey look free money!"
If you have to give them money then put it in a 529 for the kid that the parents can't touch.
As for the 2nd statement on menstrual cycle education, Trump should consider pushing the Natural Family Planning program. There are a few different ones but once you learn it and follow it a woman knows exactly when she is and isn't fertile. It also gives her other health indicators that can help catch a problem before it becomes serious.
If you have to give them money then put it in a 529 for the kid that the parents can't touch.
As for the 2nd statement on menstrual cycle education, Trump should consider pushing the Natural Family Planning program. There are a few different ones but once you learn it and follow it a woman knows exactly when she is and isn't fertile. It also gives her other health indicators that can help catch a problem before it becomes serious.
sek92 said:
Against this but maybe if they put it in a fund to use for school (k-12, college, etc) later. Let it sit there and grow.
Do this and make them excluded from the SS system
Ai is going to solve all of that. We don't need more people.Ag_of_08 said:Signel said:
This is a great idea, honestly. We can't have a negative population decline or the country will die off.
We need young people to have an economy. We need free childcare for everyone IMO. It should not cost everyone 2k a month for a daycare when we have public schools already. I'm not exactly sure how we address this, but it can't be harder to have and support your kids than being single and just living YOLO.
The problem is the job market....we're progressively pushing to a smaller and smaller job pool. If we can't sustain gainful employment at a liveable wage, no birth rate boom is going to do anything but create a welfare state.
UnfortunatelyBTKAG97 said:
Incentivizing governmental dependency.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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