gonemaroon said:
Campus and CO stuff aside, they are max pushing for free speech suppression where they can find creases and cracks. Both parties - if you believe free speech should be suppressed or illegal then we can just disagree right there.
College kids protesting is fine, college kids hurting someone is not fine. Allowing the government to decide what speech is illegal and what is not - sure that will work it's always worked.
We just fcking lived through them trying to max punish Covid deniers and here we are again with this type of bs. Government needs to stay out of free speech period. They need to arrest people for breaking actual laws. We can't even do the later.
My problem with the current state of the free speech debate is that some segments of the right, as backlash to years of speech suppression by the left, have gone too far in the opposite direction. They have declared not only that no speech of any type can be formally suppressed, which is fine, but that all social norms governing appropriate speech be thrown out. They want to do away with the Overton window entirely. They have taken the statements "you can't say that" and "you shouldn't say that" and tried to argue they are one and the same.
It should be perfectly legal to agree with Hitler, but it should also remain socially unacceptable to do so. And the era of social media and deplatforming and "cancel culture" has really blurred the lines between those two ideas, because socially unacceptable actions carry greater consequence than they once did. But it's not a violation of your free speech for your employer to fire you because you start quoting Mein Kampf on X. And it is a good thing that certain ideas and beliefs create a visceral backlash. That is how civilized society became civilized. And frankly in growing tired of watching grifters and fringe lunatics demand a platform for ideas that are either objectively wrong, deeply offensive to civilized society or both (usually both). The fact that we're back to debating things like "is it ok to call a woman a **** or a black man a ****** in public" is absurd. If you want to believe those things and espouse them fine, but it's ridiculous and obscene for people like Rogan and Carlson to have people on their shows outright denying the holocaust, calling Churchill the most evil man in history and claiming Hitler had a point. Society organically pushing people like that to dark fringes is a good thing. And Candice Owens is right at the top of the list of people who once upon a time not very long ago would have dismissed and shunned by polite society because she's very stupid, very wrong and very vulgar in her espoused beliefs.
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