SB 10-Ten Commandments Required

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Ag_of_08 said:

Im angry about it because it imposes on peoples right to freely practice their religion. SHALL is the imposition, and in this case establishes a religion as official by default.



What? This does NOTHING to impose on anyone's ability to freely practice their religion. And only establishes a religion as official if you ignore the plain meaning of the word.

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Really? So requiring me to display your religious texts doesnt effect my religious practice?

Texas passes a law requiring you to display pagan iconography, and you're not going to claim it violates your religious beliefs?

Official endorsement of a single religion through requiring parts of its religious text be displayed .... so recognizing and endorsing has no bearing on establishing it is official. Interesting, and deeply flawed, premise.
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Ag_of_08 said:

Im angry about it because it imposes on peoples right to freely practice their religion. SHALL is the imposition, and in this case establishes a religion as official by default.

If half the inmates at the county I work for followed the 10 Commandments, we wouldn't need that many law enforcement officers on payroll.

By the way, if you are this pressed about some words on a plaque hanging in a classroom. Wait till you find out about schools offering prayer rooms for muslim children.
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Im Gipper
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Really? So requiring me to display your religious texts doesnt effect my religious practice?



Yes, really. Please give a specific example how this affects your ability to practice your religion.

I understand the establishment clause argument. It makes sense. But the free exercise? It's a laughably bad argument.

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Texas passes a law requiring you to display pagan iconography, and you're not going to claim it violates your religious beliefs?


This law does not require YOU to display anything. It requires the STATE to do so.

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Official endorsement of a single religion through requiring parts of its religious text be displayed .... so recognizing and endorsing has no bearing on establishing it is official. Interesting, and deeply flawed, premise.



Why don't you tell us your definition of "establish" and the source?

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Ag_of_08 said:

Im not mad about you being permitted it.

I'm angry that the state is requiring a single religions creed to be displayed.

Allowing is not the same thing is requiring. You're trying to conflate them to be a victim, but thenlaw says "shall", not "may", which is where it tramples the constitution


So you'd be fine if a teacher wanted to hang Christian iconography or a crucifix in her classroom, right? The state shouldn't do anything to stop her?
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HTownAg98 said:

I don't think a 9-8 decision from a very conservative circuit is hold up very well in front of SCOTUS, should they choose to take up the case.


Hopefully so. Religion does not belong in a publicly funded classroom.
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t_J_e_C_x said:

HTownAg98 said:

I don't think a 9-8 decision from a very conservative circuit is hold up very well in front of SCOTUS, should they choose to take up the case.


Hopefully so. Religion does not belong in a publicly funded classroom.

Then religion doesn't belong in a public funded county jail, state prison or a federal prison. Why stop there, lets get rid of military chaplains, they too are publicly funded.
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I don't believe a state/municipal/federal employ should be promoting any religion or social agenda while on duty. Don't care if its religion, sexuality, gender etc.

Y'all tend to believe it want to be anti-christian, im anti forced participation in someone's religious practices. I have Christian religious iconography( including the st Christopher's medal i keep in my truck) on display in my own room that was given to me in a spirit of kindness and love.

There is a difference between personal expression and practice, and forced participation. Abrahamics in general seem to struggle with the separation of the two.
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Military chaplains provide services to everyone don't they? As do prison chaplains.
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Ag_of_08 said:

I don't believe a state/municipal/federal employ should be promoting any religion or social agenda while on duty. Don't care if its religion, sexuality, gender etc.

Y'all tend to believe it want to be anti-christian, im anti forced participation in someone's religious practices. I have Christian religious iconography( including the st Christopher's medal i keep in my truck) on display in my own room that was given to me in a spirit of kindness and love.

There is a difference between personal expression and practice, and forced participation. Abrahamics in general seem to struggle with the separation of the two.


I have an icon of the holy family in my office, clearly visible and impossible to miss. Am I forcing everyone who walks into it to participate in or practice my faith? I think you might be struggling to separate the two things. I don't force people to offer sacrifices to their creator at the point of a gun even though they should. You're the one who thinks self governance means 'everyone gets to wield power except Christians' or Christians are fine as long as their faith doesn't inform their decisions about how to govern. If the public wants Christianity, you would object. If California votes to codify the traditional understand of marriage between one man and one woman, you're good with the courts telling them it's too bad. You're fine with gay stuff in the classroom. Just not Christianity.

If a secular humanist posted some generic thing according to their faith in their classroom about being kind and accepting and compassionate, like an excerpt from the humanist manifesto that opposes racism or something... would you have a problem with that, and why or why not?
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Ag_of_08 said:

Military chaplains provide services to everyone don't they? As do prison chaplains.

No. Christian military chaplains don't do whatever anyone wants because it might offend someone from another faith.

I was a Navy RP assigned to a priest in Iraq. He would 100% have denied communion to a Buddhist. Know who the seabees built a chapel for? Christians. Not Buddhists. Not Sikhs or Muslims. And no one complained or filed anything in court.
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Would there be less angst if we called them "The Ten Suggestions"?


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You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Why does my neighbor have slaves?
Soso nikinombiki maaki dii.
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unimboti nkum said:

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You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Why does my neighbor have slaves?


They work for the SPLC?
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unimboti nkum said:

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You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Why does my neighbor have slaves?


One of them is your wife?


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