Isolationists truly have a puzzling intellect. So striking at Iran's nuclear facilities is one way to guarantee they build a nuke.

But doing nothing.....won't?

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Given everything that's happened, I think it might be time for Tulsi's position as DNI to be reconsidered.

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Kind of strange Trump doesn't want an Iran Apologist hanging around when he is talking about Iran!

Looking forward to her blaming Trump for these TERRORIST dying! (again)

Allen Gamble said:

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Isolationists truly have a puzzling intellect. So striking at Iran's nuclear facilities is one way to guarantee they build a nuke.

But doing nothing.....won't?

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I've explained it. Iran WAS NOT building a nuke because that guarantees the US goes in, which they don't want. But if we (or Israel) attack them anyway, building the nuke is the only option they have to prevent them from being destroyed like what happened in Iraq and Libya. It's not that hard to understand.

Ultimately the nuke thing is secondary to Israel's primary goal, which is regime change.

Right, so according to you the Iranian's ramping up their nuclear proliferation (which the IAEA confirmed they've violated their past agreement) is only because of the recent agitations from the US/Israel. Otherwise, if we just left them alone....they would not be doing so.

So, in other words, it's our fault that it has come to this. Brilliant insight

Just a reminder that just a few days ago, this is what Tucker Carlson predicted would happen after a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities

- Thousands of Americans killed in the first week
- Collapse our economy
- $30 gasoline
- then a World War where China and all of BRICS… pic.twitter.com/Hb7hLzPK6s

— AG (@AGHamilton29) June 13, 2025

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Right, so according to you the Iranian's ramping up their nuclear proliferation (which the IAEA confirmed they've violated their past agreement) is only because of the recent agitations from the US/Israel. Otherwise, if we just left them alone....they would not be doing so.

So, in other words, it's our fault that it has come to this. Brilliant insight

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I believe they were increasing enrichment because they could see the writing on the wall. Their proxies are weak or gone. Syria fell. They are the most vulnerable they've been in a very long time. Israel has been talking about destroying them for a very long time. They knew a big attack was on the menu.

Also, why wouldn't Israel want a regime change? The same regime that openly advocates, funds, and sponsors the annihilation of the Jewish state? Are they not justified in eliminating this regime?

Allen Gamble said:

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Also, why wouldn't Israel want a regime change? The same regime that openly advocates, funds, and sponsors the annihilation of the Jewish state? Are they not justified in eliminating this regime?

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I agree a regime change would be in ISRAEL's best interests. Over the last few decades we have seen every regional regime antagonistic towards Israel taken out. Iran sees this as well. Are they not justified in trying to protect themselves? I'm not taking sides here. I wish the US would stay out of it. Sadly we cannot

I'm curious, why wouldn't it be in our interest?

How do you feel about China's recent agitation towards Taiwan?

How do you feel about Putin's wishes about reviving the old Eastern Bloc?

Do you believe that's none of our business?

Allen Gamble said:

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I'm curious, why wouldn't it be in our interest?

How do you feel about China's recent agitation towards Taiwan?

How do you feel about Putin's wishes about reviving the old Eastern Bloc?

Do you believe that's none of our business?

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Those questions go beyond the scope of this thread topic. In regards to Iran, regime change isn't necessarily in our interests at all. The Iranian regime is no threat to our country.

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Allen Gamble said:

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I'm curious, why wouldn't it be in our interest?

How do you feel about China's recent agitation towards Taiwan?

How do you feel about Putin's wishes about reviving the old Eastern Bloc?

Do you believe that's none of our business?

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Those questions go beyond the scope of this thread topic. In regards to Iran, regime change isn't necessarily in our interests at all. The Iranian regime is no threat to our country.

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Laughable.

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Keyno said:

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Allen Gamble said:

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I'm curious, why wouldn't it be in our interest?

How do you feel about China's recent agitation towards Taiwan?

How do you feel about Putin's wishes about reviving the old Eastern Bloc?

Do you believe that's none of our business?

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Those questions go beyond the scope of this thread topic. In regards to Iran, regime change isn't necessarily in our interests at all. The Iranian regime is no threat to our country.

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Laughable.

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If you are one of the people who believe Israel's interests are de facto our interests then we are never going to agree on this. I know there are many people who believe this. I am not one of those people however.

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Just a reminder that just a few days ago, this is what Tucker Carlson predicted would happen after a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities

- Thousands of Americans killed in the first week
- Collapse our economy
- $30 gasoline
- then a World War where China and all of BRICS… pic.twitter.com/Hb7hLzPK6s

— AG (@AGHamilton29) June 13, 2025

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Was he speaking in terms of if the US were to be the ones launching the strike?

What you fail, or in my opinion willfully ignore, to understand is that Iran is a threat to West, not just US and Israel.

Does an assassination attempt on Trump not constitute a threat? https://apnews.com/article/iran-fbi-justice-department-iran-83cff84a7d65901a058ad6f41a564bdb

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WASHINGTON (AP) The Justice Department on Friday disclosed an Iranian murder-for-hire plot to kill Donald Trump, charging a man who said he had been tasked by a government official before this week's election with planning the assassination of the Republican president-elect.

Investigators were told of the plan to kill Trump by Farhad Shakeri, an accused Iranian government asset who spent time in American prisons for robbery and who authorities say maintains a network of criminal associates enlisted by Tehran for surveillance and murder-for-hire plots.

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So we just ignore the fact they are the world's largest sponsor of terrorism? Including the recent violent protests on our college campuses? That they have an arsenal of ballistic missiles they constantly threaten us with?

Who am I kidding, it's all our fault according to you.

There is no distinction in his eyes

Here’s what Tucker Carlson, who has been aggressively advocating against military action against the Islamic Republic of Iran, had to say in his newsletter this morning:

“This could be the final newsletter before an all-out war.”

“U.S. says it was ‘not involved.’ That’s not… pic.twitter.com/accchLYj8E

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) June 13, 2025

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Allen Gamble said:

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Right, so according to you the Iranian's ramping up their nuclear proliferation (which the IAEA confirmed they've violated their past agreement) is only because of the recent agitations from the US/Israel. Otherwise, if we just left them alone....they would not be doing so.

So, in other words, it's our fault that it has come to this. Brilliant insight

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I believe they were increasing enrichment because they could see the writing on the wall. Their proxies are weak or gone. Syria fell. They are the most vulnerable they've been in a very long time. Israel has been talking about destroying them for a very long time. They knew a big attack was on the menu.

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Talk about spin. You are right that Iran may have seen nuclear as their last option... but their last option to what? Their goal has always been to take out Israel and to bring about the 12th Imam. They have been the source, through Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, etc, of vast amounts of turmoil in the region, so yeah, Israel has been talking about Iran being that source for a very long time... 'cause they are.

Your anti-Israel stance has colored your view of Iran simply because they are also anti-Israel.

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Keyno said:

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Allen Gamble said:

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Right, so according to you the Iranian's ramping up their nuclear proliferation (which the IAEA confirmed they've violated their past agreement) is only because of the recent agitations from the US/Israel. Otherwise, if we just left them alone....they would not be doing so.

So, in other words, it's our fault that it has come to this. Brilliant insight

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I believe they were increasing enrichment because they could see the writing on the wall. Their proxies are weak or gone. Syria fell. They are the most vulnerable they've been in a very long time. Israel has been talking about destroying them for a very long time. They knew a big attack was on the menu.

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Talk about spin. You are right that Iran may have seen nuclear as their last option... but their last option to what? Their goal has always been to take out Israel and to bring about the 12th Imam. They have been the source, through Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, etc, of vast amounts of turmoil in the region, so yeah, Israel has been talking about Iran being that source for a very long time... 'cause they are.

Your anti-Israel stance has colored your view of Iran simply because they are also anti-Israel.

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Yes Israel and Iran have a MUTUAL hate for one another. It's a 1000 year old desert blood feud that has nothing to do with the United States.

I think your pro-Israel stance has colored your view as well. Israel has plans for total regional domination. They've talked about it in internal papers (Clean Break Report), and have been carrying it out for the last few decades (with the United States giving up trillions of our dollars and thousands of our lives).

Ouch!

"Don't let the propagandists lie to you" 😉 pic.twitter.com/v87YEM7EOX

— Konstantin Kisin (@KonstantinKisin) June 13, 2025

Trump is a neocon war-monger at heart. He supported the Iraq war and refused to end the war in Afghanistan. All of his first term natsec people were Bush/Cheney types. It didn't take long for them to hijack the 2nd term. The "war on terror" is a perpetual one by design. The blob always wins.

The real divide isn’t between people who support Israel and people who support Iran or the Palestinians.

The real divide is between people who think that the way to achieve peace is to let Iran build nuclear weapons and people who aren't retarded. https://t.co/N6T5tYIUPE

— Konstantin Kisin (@KonstantinKisin) June 13, 2025

Remember, if you want to be "anti-war" you need special logic:

Russia was provoked by Ukraine's desire to join NATO.

Israel was NOT provoked by Iran saying it wants to wipe Israel off the map and then enriching enough uranium for 9 nukes (IAEA report).#speciallogic

— Konstantin Kisin (@KonstantinKisin) June 13, 2025

Cue Morgan Freeman gif!

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Remember, if you want to be "anti-war" you need special logic:

Russia was provoked by Ukraine's desire to join NATO.

Israel was NOT provoked by Iran saying it wants to wipe Israel off the map and then enriching enough uranium for 9 nukes (IAEA report).#speciallogic

— Konstantin Kisin (@KonstantinKisin) June 13, 2025

Cue Morgan Freeman gif!

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That's a fair point, but one could also argue that the only consistently anti-war position would be to condemn both attacks as unwarranted.

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Allen Gamble said:

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Also, why wouldn't Israel want a regime change? The same regime that openly advocates, funds, and sponsors the annihilation of the Jewish state? Are they not justified in eliminating this regime?

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I agree a regime change would be in ISRAEL's best interests. Over the last few decades we have seen every regional regime antagonistic towards Israel taken out. Iran sees this as well. Are they not justified in trying to protect themselves? I'm not taking sides here. I wish the US would stay out of it. Sadly we cannot

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Are you Iranian? You really seem to want them having a nuke. They're a terrorist state. They've sponsored terrorism throughout the Middle East for decades. They want to kill our President. They will use a nuke to kill as many innocent people as they can. The only thing stable about Iran is their complete lack of rational (to us) actions.

We don't need to go to war with them. We don't need them to strengthen. We need to ensure that their nuclear program is completely destroyed so Obama and his bunch can't help them re-arm. Tucker Carlson has completely destroyed his credibility.

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Keyno said:

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Allen Gamble said:

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Also, why wouldn't Israel want a regime change? The same regime that openly advocates, funds, and sponsors the annihilation of the Jewish state? Are they not justified in eliminating this regime?

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I agree a regime change would be in ISRAEL's best interests. Over the last few decades we have seen every regional regime antagonistic towards Israel taken out. Iran sees this as well. Are they not justified in trying to protect themselves? I'm not taking sides here. I wish the US would stay out of it. Sadly we cannot

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Are you Iranian? You really seem to want them having a nuke. They're a terrorist state. They've sponsored terrorism throughout the Middle East for decades. They want to kill our President. They will use a nuke to kill as many innocent people as they can. The only thing stable about Iran is their complete lack of rational (to us) actions.

We don't need to go to war with them. We don't need them to strengthen. We need to ensure that their nuclear program is completely destroyed so Obama and his bunch can't help them re-arm. Tucker Carlson has completely destroyed his credibility.

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No I am not Iranian. "They are a terrorist state that supports terror" is a euphemism for them being hostile to Israel. And they actually are rational actors.

Nowhere have I said I want them to have a nuke. I am trying to demonstrate that this isn't just Israel=good guys, iran=pure evil. I think it would be better for the United States if the entire Middle East was denuclearized (including Israel). President JFK felt the same.

Israel being the only nuclear power in the region is a major stability problem. The nuke is the ultimate deterrent from Israeli and American aggression. Iran will never give up the nuclear program because they saw what happened to Iraq and Libya. As we have seen over the last few decades, Israel and America have taken out ALL of Israel's regional competitors. Iran is the last. This is the reason they insisted on enrichment.

Whats up nortex97

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They are a terrorist state that supports terror" is a euphemism for them being hostile to Israel

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Is Hizballah a terrorist group? Yes or no.

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They are a terrorist state that supports terror" is a euphemism for them being hostile to Israel

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Is Hizballah a terrorist group? Yes or no.

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Iran is a terrorist group. But yes, they are.

And I couldn't give a **** about Israel.

I just checked, and theyt're still in the region known as "NotAmerica" so I've run out of ****s to give about NotAmerica.

Keyno said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Keyno said:

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Allen Gamble said:

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Also, why wouldn't Israel want a regime change? The same regime that openly advocates, funds, and sponsors the annihilation of the Jewish state? Are they not justified in eliminating this regime?

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I agree a regime change would be in ISRAEL's best interests. Over the last few decades we have seen every regional regime antagonistic towards Israel taken out. Iran sees this as well. Are they not justified in trying to protect themselves? I'm not taking sides here. I wish the US would stay out of it. Sadly we cannot

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Are you Iranian? You really seem to want them having a nuke. They're a terrorist state. They've sponsored terrorism throughout the Middle East for decades. They want to kill our President. They will use a nuke to kill as many innocent people as they can. The only thing stable about Iran is their complete lack of rational (to us) actions.

We don't need to go to war with them. We don't need them to strengthen. We need to ensure that their nuclear program is completely destroyed so Obama and his bunch can't help them re-arm. Tucker Carlson has completely destroyed his credibility.

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No I am not Iranian. "They are a terrorist state that supports terror" is a euphemism for them being hostile to Israel. And they actually are rational actors.

Nowhere have I said I want them to have a nuke. I am trying to demonstrate that this isn't just Israel=good guys, iran=pure evil. I think it would be better for the United States if the entire Middle East was denuclearized (including Israel). President JFK felt the same.

Israel being the only nuclear power in the region is a major stability problem. The nuke is the ultimate deterrent from Israeli and American aggression. Iran will never give up the nuclear program because they saw what happened to Iraq and Libya. As we have seen over the last few decades, Israel and America have taken out ALL of Israel's regional competitors. Iran is the last. This is the reason they insisted on enrichment.

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Damn, man. You've gone way 'round the bend.

Reprobates. Very apt description

Rather than hang their heads in shame for the lies and distortions they have spewed, the isolationists are now desperately attacking the President, real MAGA, and the brave Israelis.  They claim to be the leaders of MAGA, the influencers, the new thinkers, and whatever BS they…

— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) June 13, 2025

So many of the "influencers" showing their true colors out there.

Keyno said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Keyno said:

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Allen Gamble said:

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Also, why wouldn't Israel want a regime change? The same regime that openly advocates, funds, and sponsors the annihilation of the Jewish state? Are they not justified in eliminating this regime?

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I agree a regime change would be in ISRAEL's best interests. Over the last few decades we have seen every regional regime antagonistic towards Israel taken out. Iran sees this as well. Are they not justified in trying to protect themselves? I'm not taking sides here. I wish the US would stay out of it. Sadly we cannot

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Are you Iranian? You really seem to want them having a nuke. They're a terrorist state. They've sponsored terrorism throughout the Middle East for decades. They want to kill our President. They will use a nuke to kill as many innocent people as they can. The only thing stable about Iran is their complete lack of rational (to us) actions.

We don't need to go to war with them. We don't need them to strengthen. We need to ensure that their nuclear program is completely destroyed so Obama and his bunch can't help them re-arm. Tucker Carlson has completely destroyed his credibility.

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No I am not Iranian. "They are a terrorist state that supports terror" is a euphemism for them being hostile to Israel. And they actually are rational actors.

Nowhere have I said I want them to have a nuke. I am trying to demonstrate that this isn't just Israel=good guys, iran=pure evil. I think it would be better for the United States if the entire Middle East was denuclearized (including Israel). President JFK felt the same.

Israel being the only nuclear power in the region is a major stability problem. The nuke is the ultimate deterrent from Israeli and American aggression. Iran will never give up the nuclear program because they saw what happened to Iraq and Libya. As we have seen over the last few decades, Israel and America have taken out ALL of Israel's regional competitors. Iran is the last. This is the reason they insisted on enrichment.

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Your inability to either recognize or acknowledge the fundamental difference in worldview between Muslim states and the Jewish one is the real issue here. You are operating from an inherently flawed assumption that there is a reality somewhere out there where both groups would be happy to live in peace with each other.

Here in the real world, Israel being the only country with nukes in the region is the best case scenario.

Someone do a wellness check on these two! Rough 36 hours!

Amen. ✝️ https://t.co/iFfnVbBmKU

— Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) June 13, 2025

Donald Trump responding to Tucker Carlson and some others:

“For those people who say they want peace—you can’t have peace if Iran has a nuclear weapon. So for all of those wonderful people who don’t want to do anything about Iran having a nuclear weapon—that’s not peace.” pic.twitter.com/aaiDxvAfKa

— AG (@AGHamilton29) June 14, 2025

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Someone do a wellness check on these two! Rough 36 hours!

Amen. ✝️ https://t.co/iFfnVbBmKU

— Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) June 13, 2025

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Imagine dunking on people who were calling for peace.

Calling Israel the "devil" is not "calling for peace".

There is no peace with a nuclear weapon possessing Iran. Period.

You are smarter than that Ben. Don't fall for their garbage!