DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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flown-the-coop said:

I am confident he will or will provide the legal rationale for not doing so.

They have already refuted the judge which they correctly assert pulled his stunt to produce a friday headline for politico, in the name of justice and such.


So you agree that the DOJ is not in compliance with the ETA signed last year, as the ETA requires a reason for all redacted material.
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They are in compliance. That it not what this suit will be judged upon.

Some random reporter has no basis to independently audit the legal compliance of the Department of Justice without a good ******* ****ing reason, which she has not provided.

Because from the read of this, that's what's happened hence Blanche giving retired numbnuts the bird.
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If they were in compliance, she wouldn't need to be suing, since the names with the torture video would be released, or the DOJ would have provided a reason for the redaction. They haven't done so. Which is what you said in your last post lol
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PaulsBunions said:

If they were in compliance, she wouldn't need to be suing, since the names with the torture video would be released, or the DOJ would have provided a reason for the redaction. They haven't done so. Which is what you said in your last post lol

its weird you don't care to read or even acknowledge that the DOJ has responded and provided the information it was required to provide.

Because Lil Phang does not agree does not mean she gets special treatment, regardless of what a retired judge thinks may "prevail". Reminder of how special retired Judge Emmett Sullivan was during his final days on full time activist duty, he even had USA Today criticizing his novel ideas on how to persecute Trump and friends: Dismissal of the Flynn case result of Judge Sullivan's mistakes


Meanwhile, since you decline to read any of the linked material, below are the reasons Blanche provided for not responding to Lil Phang, rando journo who thinks she's special.

She claims the Epstein Act creates a de facto SEPARATE procedure outside of FOIA. DOJ seems to be on solid footing here as her request falls exactly within the types of requests journalists submit for disclosure of government records. The Epstein Act may have provided for the inclusion of files subject to FOIA, but it would not have created a separate process.

From that, she also cannot show any harm as the basis of her suit. Her claim is without those files she cannot manufacture enough clickbait to make a living.

She is not suing over DOJ compliance with the Epstein Act - she absolutely has no standing to do that. The "torture" video had a redacted email recipient (from the material I read) that has been all but confirmed to belonging to "a Sultan" - even Blanche himself has commented separately on this. Blanche seems to incorrectly say the redaction was of "victim" info but the criticism of that was the Sultan would not be a "victim". My understanding is that is not so straightforward and can be interpreted broadly.

You may not "like" all that but there are legal processes to follow and as I said when Khanna-Massie started their charade all they did was muck up an already very muddled process. This frivolous lawsuit, "ruling" by a "retired" activist judge, done to generate headlines, shouting a claim and hiding the DOJ response.

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Plaintiff's motion is procedurally deficient at the outset for two main reasons.

First, Plaintiff lacks standing because she has not demonstrated a concrete, particularized, redressable injury, nor has she identified any legally cognizable right of action to sue. Second, Plaintiff's motion for preliminary injunction impermissibly seeks to shortcut to the merits.

The primary purpose of a preliminary injunction is to preserve the status quo during the pendency of litigation, however. Yet, rather than maintain the status quo, Plaintiff's motion effectively asks this Court to resolve the merits of the case at the outset under the pretext of injunctive reliefcontrary to both tradition and precedent. Each defect alone is a sufficient reason to deny the motion.

Plaintiff fares no better on the substance. Plaintiff has not come close to satisfying the stringent burden required for injunctive relief, and the Court should deny the motion on two independent grounds.

First, the Court lacks jurisdiction because Plaintiff cannot invoke the Administrative Procedure Act ("APA"). Where an adequate remedy at law exists, the APA's waiver of sovereign immunity does not applyand the Freedom of Information Act ("FOIA") provides exactly that remedy here. The Epstein Files Transparency Act (the "Epstein Act") is, in essence, a disclosure statute. Read in pari materia, the Epstein Act supplements FOIA. It does not create a freestanding jurisdictional hook outside of FOIA's remedial framework.

Second, even if the Court reached the merits, Plaintiff cannot establish irreparable harm. Plaintiff's purported "information injury"that withholding these materials deprives victims of the complete truth, frustrates Congress's transparency goals, and may affect the midterm electionsare generalized grievances that rests entirely on speculation and conjecture. Nor can she repackage that injury as economic loss: economic harm alone does not constitute irreparable injury, and, in any event, Plaintiff has acknowledged that she continues to publish on her channel; the Epstein files are one topic among many she covers. She cannot show the purported harm is certain, actual, or imminent. These generalized claims are hardly enough to warrant such an extraordinary and drastic remedy. Accordingly, the Court should deny the motion

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The Unforgiven said:

If you are on this thread demanding justice with the Epstein stuff but not on the the Muslim Rape Gangs, that tells me you don't really care about the Epstein stuff. You only want to pin the Epstein stuff on Trump. There are a lot of ya'll on this. The Muslim Rape Gangs were 100x worse than Epstein. The stuff he did was sick....but those POS 3rd worlders have raped over 250,000 young girls.

The Muslim Rape gangs in the UK are being investigated by their government and (hopefully) the perpetrators identified and punished.

The 'Epstein stuff', as you call it, is not being investigated.

Our government investigated it, didn't like what they found, then decided the best thing to do is let the perpetrators off, without even identifying them. Sexual abuse of little girls is gonna happen, it doesn't mean those responsible should have to be held responsible, amirite?

I am pretty sure the vast, overwhelming majority of those calling for unredacted release want to pin this 'Epstein stuff' on everyone involved. Considering Trump appears over 38,000 times in the files, it is highly likely he is involved. But, it is also obvious that others were involved and are lying about it.

IMHO, those who are lying about it now are guilty as well, as they are ones allowing such practices to continue.

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Wasn't the remdy that the Judge ordered for the DOJ to comply with the ETA?
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Dorm 15 said:

Wasn't the remdy that the Judge ordered for the DOJ to comply with the ETA?

No, judge ordered them to do certain things by July 2nd and a hearing before on June 30.

It remains unclear at this time if Judge Sullivan has once again overstepped his judiciary abilities in his "memorandum opinion" last week.

The court filings and responses are available for anyone to read. You don't have to fall for the fake news from Politico but when people think it reinforces their quest to Get Trump, they fall for it time and again.

Its sad really.
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https://farsight.org/FarsightPress/Jeffrey_Epstein_Death_main_page
There is only one narrative: The ETs Farsight is in contact with are the good guys. Not so regarding the faction of et OUR military is in bed with.
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This should provide some legitimacy to the thread…

Sorry to attack the source and not the "message"… I mean remote vision.
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https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/epstein/zorro-smiles-epsteins-girlfriend-was-licensed-dentist-in-new-mexico/article_2bd5b2d4-2378-44d9-9c5e-6558e5f87737.html

Don't really know what to make of this. The phone call from jail and why a dental practice?
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Wasn't the DOJ supposed to comply with the Judge.s order today?
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Dorm 15 said:

Wasn't the DOJ supposer to comply with the Judge.s order today?

ABC: DOJ still STONEWALLING.
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Look, we haven't made a single arrest because they're all innocent. We don't need to release anything because they are all so innocent.

Meanwhile, took 5 minutes to indict pool guy.
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AggieCVQ said:

Look, we haven't made a single arrest because they're all innocent. We don't need to release anything because they are all so innocent.

Meanwhile, took 5 minutes to indict pool guy.

Important things first I guess.
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74OA said:

Dorm 15 said:

Wasn't the DOJ supposer to comply with the Judge.s order today?

ABC: DOJ still STONEWALLING.


Interesting its titled as "stonewalling", which is certainly a perspective.

The DOJ explains very clearly their legal position. What some may call "stonewalling", the reality is that it is a valid legal position and even if it made sense to be responsive it would set horrible precedent.

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The Department of Justice on Thursday declined to turn over additional information from the Epstein files as ordered by a judge, arguing the materials include sensitive victim information or were appropriately redacted as required by law.

Hours ahead of the deadline to turn over the materials or explain why they were properly withheld, Associate U.S. Attorney General Stanley Woodward asked the judge to delay the deadline by 60 days or disregard it entirely by accepting the DOJ's reasons for withholding the materials.

"Although the Government strongly disagrees with the Court's ruling that the [Epstein Files Transparency Act] is enforceable by private parties through the Administrative Procedure Act, the Government welcomes this opportunity to resolve any confusion regarding the records at issue in this case," Woodward wrote.
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Dorm 15 said:

AggieCVQ said:

Look, we haven't made a single arrest because they're all innocent. We don't need to release anything because they are all so innocent.

Meanwhile, took 5 minutes to indict pool guy.

Important things first I guess.

Who should be indicted? With "pool guy" there was evidence. Do you guys have evidence of crimes that have not been prosecuted? Seems like that would be a big story. Look forward to this evidence of non-prosecuted crimes.
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flown-the-coop said:

Dorm 15 said:

AggieCVQ said:

Look, we haven't made a single arrest because they're all innocent. We don't need to release anything because they are all so innocent.

Meanwhile, took 5 minutes to indict pool guy.

Important things first I guess.

Who should be indicted? With "pool guy" there was evidence. Do you guys have evidence of crimes that have not been prosecuted? Seems like that would be a big story. Look forward to this evidence of non-prosecuted crimes.

Hint: they have no evidence. This is the biggest nothingburger in history.
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So we have zero evidence on anyone in the Epstein files... Which was one of Trumps campaign to prosecute those folks?
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AggieCVQ said:

So we have zero evidence on anyone in the Epstein files... Which was one of Trumps campaign to prosecute those folks?

You want him to prosecute regardless of evidence? Nice!
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flown-the-coop said:

AggieCVQ said:

So we have zero evidence on anyone in the Epstein files... Which was one of Trumps campaign to prosecute those folks?

You want him to prosecute regardless of evidence? Nice!

He's the worst ****ing King/Authoritarian ever!!!!1
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He really is. I want way more of a tyrant if he has to put up with being called one all the time.

Let loose Trump. Balls out like back in the 80s.
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Surely Bondi, Patel, and Bongino must have had some evidence. Didn't Bondi have a list? If the DOJ is right then why not comply with the Judge's order? This is really difficult to understand and I am serious.
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Dorm 15 said:

Surely Bondi, Patel, and Bongino must have had some evidence. Didn't Bondi have a list? If the DOJ is right then why not comply with the Judge's order? This is really difficult to understand and I am serious.

Uhhh… the DOJs response is they did comply with the order.

Why is that difficult to understand? And I am also serious.

They say "we complied, bye Felicia". Yes, it's that simple.

Reporter and judge can stomp and say "nuh uhh" all they want.

And what Bondi list?
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Mind boggling how people went from "release the files" to "there's nothing here" and vice versa when there was a possibility of Trump being involved.

It's nice to have been consistent all these years.
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Queso1 said:

Mind boggling how people went from "release the files" to "there's nothing here" and vice versa when there was a possibility of Trump being involve.

It's nice to have been consistent all these years.


We all know that if there was anything, anything that implicated Trump it would have been released years ago. To think otherwise is naivety.

Just release the entire thing ONLY redacting the victims.

Let the chips fall where they may and burn it all down.

The truth will set us all free.
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Possibility of Trump being involved? Thats what we are back to? I thought it was about justice for the victims.
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Dorm 15 said:

Surely Bondi, Patel, and Bongino must have had some evidence.


Surely you read the title of the thread you've been posting on!

I'm Gipper
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Just release the entire thing ONLY redacting the victims.

Let the chips fall where they may and burn it all down.

The truth will set us all free.
Agreed. That is the only solution.

But Trump won't do that.

Trump and Epstein were best friends for 15 years during Trump's carousing years.

Then there is Trump's personal attorney making a secret deal with Ghislaine Maxwell.

And then there is the birthday card to Epstein that Trump lied about.

It sure looks like one or more of the following three things may be true:

1. Trump is implicated or seriously compromised.
2. Someone else is implicated that Trump wants protected.
3. The CIA and/or foreign intel agencies are implicated.
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Yes, he was murdered.
There is only one narrative: The ETs Farsight is in contact with are the good guys. Not so regarding the faction of et OUR military is in bed with.
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flown-the-coop said:

Possibility of Trump being involved? Thats what we are back to? I thought it was about justice for the victims.

it can be about both, HTH.
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It can, but when someone derps to "muh Trump" then it's obvious it's one and not the other.

HTH.
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Have to love the derps that think Biden, Harris and all others never exposed Trump when in power and Trump is really a super secret Epstein perv.
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DeschutesAg said:

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Just release the entire thing ONLY redacting the victims.

Let the chips fall where they may and burn it all down.

The truth will set us all free.
Agreed. That is the only solution.

But Trump won't do that.

Trump and Epstein were best friends for 15 years during Trump's carousing years.

Then there is Trump's personal attorney making a secret deal with Ghislaine Maxwell.

And then there is the birthday card to Epstein that Trump lied about.

It sure looks like one or more of the following three things may be true:

1. Trump is implicated or seriously compromised.
2. Someone else is implicated that Trump wants protected.
3. The CIA and/or foreign intel agencies are implicated.



15 years totes besties!

I hope you understand that you dishonor actual victims of sex trafficking crimes when you post such blatant falsehoods.

Then follow it up by defaming and mischaracterizing Todd Blanche and finally with a debunked birthday card.

You claims have been thoroughly debunked on this thread again and again. Why go back and claim them as something "new"?
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flown-the-coop said:

It can, but when someone derps to "muh Trump" then it's obvious it's one and not the other.

HTH.


I didn't say he was or anything about victims. I'm just saying how people (on both sides) changed their tune. I remember a time when we were conspiracy right wing nuts for even talking about Epstein. Then it flipped. And here we are, the DOJ, whose executive was elected (by me too) to drain the swamp is swampier than swamp.

I cannot even come close to understanding what they told Bongino to get him to completely flip and become a deep state goon.
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They didn't tell him anything. Sometimes conspiracy theories are just that.
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