The Gaza debate

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Old Gorm
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I think we all see the general tend of Islam's contribution to European and American society has been a decisive negative.

Attacks against Jews in this country, especially in our urban areas and on the campuses of elite universities have increased at a rapid rate since we opened our borders to these people.

Stockholm, once one of the safest cities n Europe, now has one of the highest crime rates in the region thanks in large part due to the arrival of Islam and their ingrained desire to violate anyone who isn't Muslim.

Rotherham experienced one of the largest child sex trafficking operations in the United Kingdom. The perps were almost to a man Muslim while the victims were non-Muslim.

And here in this country, a 42 year old Somali reject in Minnesota just got 12 year kiss from a leftist judge for raping a 12 year old girl. He was supported and excused by the local Islamic Center in the Twin Cities.

There are Islamic populations, such as the Kurds and the Yazidis, who having experienced religious oppression and denial of their freedom to worship as they please, understand the opportunity America provides. They arrive here committed to their new nation and a place where they need not fear the Muslim majority showing up to kill them for those beliefs. I welcome them as much as old Americans welcomed Huguenots and Jews seeking refuge in our colonial era.

Then we have the majority of Islam, communities lacking respect for their host nation and the beliefs of their neighbors. People who prey on anyone who isn't Muslim whenever the opportunity arrives.

You may not like it. But in general Islam is not compatible with the United States or any other segment of Western Civilization.




AggieEP
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It's not about what I like. It's about the dangers of painting with an incredibly broad paint brush.

Saying "Islam is not compatible with Western society" or saying that Muslims "have an ingrained desire to violate non-Muslins" or "the majority of Muslim communities lack respect for host nations" are just unqualified and unsupported opinions based on attention grabbing headlines you've read. I'd love to see you try to explain how you know about the ingrained desires of a billion people.

I don't doubt the veracity of the incidents you bring up, but I do seriously doubt your own analytical prowess if you believe that looking at individual incidents (heinous ones) would give you a strong argument to then generalize that 1 billion people on Earth can be judged accurately based on such a limited sample size.

I will never deny that Islam has found itself used as a tool for some very bad actors. I will never deny that Islamic refugee and immigrant communities have not ingratiated themselves to their new homes very well. But I will argue that anyone using such a limited data set to draw the conclusion that all Islam is bad is incapable of having a fair and balanced debate about what is a legitimately complex subject.

Perhaps the most frustrating thing for me is that most of you all seem incapable of differentiating between religion and culture. Indonesia is the most populous Islamic country in the world and we haven't seen the same kind of issues there that we've seen with immigrants from other countries. Why, because Indonesian culture and the religion of Indonesians are two separate factors to consider. When you all give examples about Pakistanis in Britain, you miss on your analysis when you jump to Islam immediately. In my professional opinion, the problems there are systemically ingrained in Pakistani culture. An honest conversation about this topic would start by you all realizing that a Muslim in Lebanon, a Muslim in Pakistan and a Muslim in Indonesia don't have a whole lot in common culturally.
Old Gorm
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Not the religion of the Palestinians. The culture.

Not the religion of the Pakistanis. The culture.

Not the religion of Boko Haram. The culture.

Not the religion of the Houthis, Hezbollah, Abu-Sayaaf and countless others. The culture.

What you fail to understand is that their religion is their culture. Islam is their culture. To many of them, those outside that culture must convert, be subservient or die.
AggieEP
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You're interested enough to post on this topic, you should be interested enough to consider studying the topic before you post false statements about culture and religion. Even a quick Google will get you headed in the right direction.

Again, ridiculous generalizations about an entire faith community only shows me that you are incapable of critically thinking about the subject.
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The Israelis are going in
samurai_science
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AggieEP said:

You're interested enough to post on this topic, you should be interested enough to consider studying the topic before you post false statements about culture and religion. Even a quick Google will get you headed in the right direction.

Again, ridiculous generalizations about an entire faith community only shows me that you are incapable of critically thinking about the subject.

I have, Islam is a cancer, but so are the Palestinians.
AggieEP
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I hate this move for them. It's hard to see the exit plan, and "conquering" Gaza City is a weird way to say what they're doing. There is no formal defense of the city.

They should say they've decided to occupy the city and prepare for COIN operations.
Tom Fox
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AggieEP said:

I hate this move for them. It's hard to see the exit plan, and "conquering" Gaza City is a weird way to say what they're doing. There is no formal defense of the city.

They should say they've decided to occupy the city and prepare for COIN operations.


Yeah COIN worked swimmingly in the GWOT.
AggieEP
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Very enlightened take with deeply moving evidence based arguments.



OPAG
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AggieEP said:

Might want to fact check South Sudan's religious breakdown before you post.

Also, if you were interested in actually drawing a comparison, the similarity here is that those countries have been devastated by long armed conflicts.

And how did South Sudan come into being? What was the motivating factor?
AggieEP
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Tom Fox said:

AggieEP said:

I hate this move for them. It's hard to see the exit plan, and "conquering" Gaza City is a weird way to say what they're doing. There is no formal defense of the city.

They should say they've decided to occupy the city and prepare for COIN operations.


Yeah COIN worked swimmingly in the GWOT.


Yeah, this is puzzling to me. I'm really curious what the long term plan is. These Hamas *******s play by no rules and can smell victory if they can drag this thing out long enough to get England, France and other European countries to recognize Palestine.
Hubert J. Farnsworth
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AggieEP said:

Staff

Can we at least get some moderation for the extreme negativity that some posters such as OPAG show for Islam?

TexAgs is a very forward facing platform for Aggies, and we have Muslim Aggies and they shouldn't have to come to this board and see posts filled with hyper negative statements about their religion.

Discussion about the topic should be in bounds. But broad generalizations about an entire religious group should be out of bounds. It serves no purpose for discussion for certain posters to jump on every thread and start insinuating that some form of religious pogrom to rid the world of Islam is a legitimate solution.


Muslims have rightfully earned the negativity they get. Way more than one rotten apple spoiled that bunch. I will never respect that religion or anybody that practices it. Muslims are the enemy to western civilization and, unfortunately, dumb liberals have allowed them to infiltrate.
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Henriques said:

Not the religion of the Palestinians. The culture.

Not the religion of the Pakistanis. The culture.

Not the religion of Boko Haram. The culture.

Not the religion of the Houthis, Hezbollah, Abu-Sayaaf and countless others. The culture.

What you fail to understand is that their religion is their culture. Islam is their culture. To many of them, those outside that culture must convert, be subservient or die.
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AggieEP said:

You're interested enough to post on this topic, you should be interested enough to consider studying the topic before you post false statements about culture and religion. Even a quick Google will get you headed in the right direction.

Again, ridiculous generalizations about an entire faith community only shows me that you are incapable of critically thinking about the subject.

Either that, or he has functioning eyeballs and common sense.
AggieEP
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Like a bat signal the whole crew is here to detail the thread and post egregious generalizations about an entire faith group.

Staff why is this vocal group of posters allowed to continually spread hate on this board?
samurai_science
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AggieEP said:

Very enlightened take with deeply moving evidence based arguments.





All of history since about the 600s is my argument
samurai_science
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AggieEP said:



Perhaps the most frustrating thing for me is that most of you all seem incapable of differentiating between religion and culture. Indonesia is the most populous Islamic country in the world and we haven't seen the same kind of issues there that we've seen with immigrants from other countries. Why, because Indonesian culture and the religion of Indonesians are two separate factors to consider.

Wrong, Indonesia DOES have the same issues, and its getting worse. Its really bad in the fundamental areas and starting to spread.


They are trending more and more towards a gov run by Islamic ideology.
samurai_science
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AggieEP said:



TexAgs is a very forward facing platform for Aggies, and we have Muslim Aggies and they shouldn't have to come to this board and see posts filled with hyper negative statements about their religion.


The internet is scary, wear a helmet.
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AggieEP said:

Tom Fox said:

AggieEP said:

I hate this move for them. It's hard to see the exit plan, and "conquering" Gaza City is a weird way to say what they're doing. There is no formal defense of the city.

They should say they've decided to occupy the city and prepare for COIN operations.


Yeah COIN worked swimmingly in the GWOT.


Yeah, this is puzzling to me. I'm really curious what the long term plan is. These Hamas *******s play by no rules and can smell victory if they can drag this thing out long enough to get England, France and other European countries to recognize Palestine.


I think they are just going to try and stabilize the situation and hand it over to an Arab nation to manage. At least that's what I read.

Hamas is stealing aid. Id imagine if Israel can somehow successfully implement a humanitarian mission, help the Palestinian people, and engage in more tactical strikes on hamas, they might just do it.
sam callahan
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Quote:

shouldn't have to come to this board and see posts filled with hyper negative statements about their religion.


I hear hyper-negative statements about Christianity every day. I'm making it okay.
sam callahan
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Staff why is this vocal group of posters allowed to continually spread hate on this board?


Is it hateful to point out that muslim run countries don't generally espouse values we (at least used to) hold in high regard in the West?

Is it really hateful to say the muslim influx into European countries has had many awful effects?

BonfireNerd04
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samurai_science said:

AggieEP said:



Perhaps the most frustrating thing for me is that most of you all seem incapable of differentiating between religion and culture. Indonesia is the most populous Islamic country in the world and we haven't seen the same kind of issues there that we've seen with immigrants from other countries. Why, because Indonesian culture and the religion of Indonesians are two separate factors to consider.

Wrong, Indonesia DOES have the same issues, and its getting worse. Its really bad in the fundamental areas and starting to spread.


They are trending more and more towards a gov run by Islamic ideology.


Interestingly, when Rabbi Tovia Singer lived in Jakarta (yes, there are Jews there, but not many), he got along well with the local Muslims. A few of them regularly attended his synagogue to learn how to argue against Christian missionaries.
Ag with kids
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IIIHorn said:

jaborch99 said:

LMCane said:

You need to rely on Artificial Intelligence for only two reasons:

1. you don't know the English language very well

2. You don't know the Middle East very well.

I could sit here all day long and type 100 pages on the situation in the Middle East without referencing either a book or a computer.

because I have lived in the Middle East and spent the last 40 years studying everything about it.

Great! Then you should have no trouble engaging with the actual content of my arguments.

I thought you're arguments were AI arguments.

your


/RIP T93
mjschiller
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Islamists are some of satans minions. Pure evil.
2000AgPhD
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Perhaps the dumbest OP opening line ever.
sts7049
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Henriques said:

Not the religion of the Palestinians. The culture.

Not the religion of the Pakistanis. The culture.

Not the religion of Boko Haram. The culture.

Not the religion of the Houthis, Hezbollah, Abu-Sayaaf and countless others. The culture.

What you fail to understand is that their religion is their culture. Islam is their culture. To many of them, those outside that culture must convert, be subservient or die.


obviously not because of islam, but does israel belong in this list too?
BMX Bandit
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In the list of terrorists? No


sts7049
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i didn't realize all palestinians and pakistanis were terrorists

i thought that was just a list of countries/groups imposing themselves and willing inflect whatever pain and death it took on innocents to justify their end goal
AggieEP
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Not true, they have one fringe group in a country of 250,000,000 people and haven't had any major terrorist activity there since about 2011. You're grasping at really weak supporting evidence of you want to argue that Indonesia is a den of terrorism comparable to what Hamas built in Gaza.

They arrested them and executed them and now it's not a major problem. Could there be an attack tomorrow, sure, but that's still the work of .001 of the population. You all come on here and talk like 99% of Muslims are some sort of sleeper agents waiting to rape and pillage when the signal comes.
BMX Bandit
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i didn't realize all palestinians and pakistanis were terrorists


Where did I say they were?
Comeback when you can discuss without straw men.
sts7049
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you can clarify what you meant if you want, doesn't matter to me.

i think israel's actions have quite a bit of similarity.
Old Gorm
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AggieEP said:

You're interested enough to post on this topic, you should be interested enough to consider studying the topic before you post false statements about culture and religion. Even a quick Google will get you headed in the right direction.

Again, ridiculous generalizations about an entire faith community only shows me that you are incapable of critically thinking about the subject.


General observations regarding the quality of a group of people alien to this nation and its culture should always be part of an assessment of how many of them we allow in and the individuals within that group to whom we grant the gift of residency and citizenship.

To pretend in some Pollyanna-like navet that Islam and its adherents bring no problems with them related to their religion, often a cult of blood and murder that is an existential part of their culture, is to defy reality.

I would welcome a Syrian, Christian or Muslim minority, suffering oppression at the hands of the either Assad or the thugs currently in charge.

I recognize there are Muslims who have suffered at the hands of the dominant Islamic-fascist culture.

What you fail to understand is that such a thing exists in strong force within the Muslim world.

Pretending they are all good people who should be welcomed in and trusted without question is the reason Europe has the problems they are having now. We will suffer the same consequences if we confront Islam with the same mind-numbing ignorance you bring to this conversation.
BMX Bandit
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sts7049 said:

you can clarify what you meant if you want, doesn't matter to me.

i think israel's actions have quite a bit of similarity.


No need for me to clarify. It was clear to any person interested in honest discussion.
sts7049
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AG
i don't even know what are you talking about now.

my point still stands though
Who?mikejones!
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No, it really doesnt
 
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