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The resident Israel haters framed this quote as Trump confirming their AIPAC conspiracy theories, but in reality he was talking **** about how the democrats have become antisemitic and AIPAC has no control over the narrative. Checks out.
Obsession with conspiracies about Israel and the Jews is unoriginal and pathetic. Yet some people can't help themselves.
"israel was the strongest lobby I've ever seen, they had total control over congress"
-President Trump
Tell me where the nuance is there.
Read it in context, bud. It's not what you're trying to make it. Trump is not on you anti-Israel conspiracy side. There's literally a town in Israel named after him.
Oh I agree, I don't think Trump is anti-Israel, I think he does pretty much whatever they want him to. That doesn't have anything to do with his admission that Israel used to control our congress, even though he laments it doesn't any more.
There's so much cognitive dissonance in this statement that it boggles the mind. If AIPAC had the power that you are purporting, then we never could've gotten to the point we are at today, and this statement would've never been made.
But hey, keep up with the age old practice of blaming the Jews for everything wrong in your country. It's really original and intellectually honest.
No, the cognitive dissonance is saying that Israel doesn't control our Congress, but even though Trump said it didn't, he didn't mean it, because Trump's not an anti-semite and loves Israel; which is why he's sad that Israel doesn't control our congress anymore.
You're presupposing that Trump saying that there was a powerful lobby indicates that Israel had control over our governance. The reason AIPAC had any "power" is because the American electorate has been broadly pro-Israel since its reconstitution. That is changing as the younger electorate gains power, so the lobby has lost "power."
Your implication that somehow the subversive tactics of the Jews are no longer effective and that's the cause of the change is the problem. You've imbibed in the eternal hatred of the Jews, and it has rotted your brain into believing that somehow there are puppet master controlling the US government in a manner that subverts American interests. It is ridiculous and pathetic.
Are you able to debate anything without accusing your opposition of nefarious/evil motives? Why does it always go here with you?
Trump literally said Israel controlled our Congress and now they don't. Contextually, it read like he was disappointed about this change. If you (and others) want to interpret this as him meaning something totally different than what he said, then fine. But relax with the other stuff
It goes there because that's the historical source of the worldview you're spouting, whether you're aware of it or not. There's nothing new under the sun.
Even if you don't support the state of Israel, the idea that AIPAC controls our Congress and subverts the American will is nonsense. It's a repackaging of age old conspiracy theories about the Jews. That's just what it is.
You can say "I don't like our foreign aid to Israel" and we can debate the pros and cons of that relationship. When you just start ascribing any pro-Israel sentiment to subversive action, you've entered the realm of antisemitism.
If you don't like the accusation, don't promote baseless conspiracies.
