Defense attorneys have no souls. They will happily defend him and denigrate Charlie because that's what they do.

ts5641 said:

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Defense attorneys have no souls. They will happily defend him and denigrate Charlie because that's what they do.

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That seems an unsafe direction. Their only hope is the he was crazy direction, not that I believe that should spare you when you murder. Do Not.

ts5641 said:

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Defense attorneys have no souls. They will happily defend him and denigrate Charlie because that's what they do.

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That's a pretty broad brush you are painting with there. Every one deserves due process which includes the right to a defense. For a lot of defense attorneys, it is just that simple. A matter of principle.

But I digress a bit. The criminal defense bar does not have all that many death penalty certified lawyers. And yes there is a certification process for death penalty cases. Now the killer has the right to choose his counsel but if he gets a public defender, that public defense team will have to be certified. And yes, t is a whole team of at least two DP attorneys, psychologists and investigators.

A public defender has been appointed: Kathryn Nester. She was the former head of the Salt Lake City and San Diego public defender offices. He will assuredly receive adequate counsel that will put on as vigorous a defense as she can, as it should be. https://abcnews.go.com/US/attorney-appointed-tyler-robinson-man-charged-fatally-shooting/story?id=125911686

He's toast. The main angle will be to spare his life by finding some way to generate sympathy, although their best bet on that is in jury selection.

Dad-O-Lot said:

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ts5641 said:

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Defense attorneys have no souls. They will happily defend him and denigrate Charlie because that's what they do.

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This is an unfair characterization.

Defense attorneys fill a necessary and critical role only to be denigrated for it. I would not want to do what they do, but I am grateful they do it. Not because I want the guilty to be freed, but because we need to be able to trust the system and the process to get it right.

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Our legal system falls apart without competent defense counsel. It's just that simple. I've long struggled with the same question of morality / ethics of defense attorneys. But the more you learn of our legal system and its beginnings, the importance of the role of the defense becomes obvious and profound.

To your point, I read this a couple of weeks ago, and it goes into detail why prosecutors and defense attorneys are ethically required to operate differently. It's a great read.

A quick thread on an issue that comes up in "true crime" cases where I think ordinary people really mess up.

Prosecutors are required to be INTELLECTUALLY honest.

Defense teams are ethically PROHIBITED from being intellectually honest.

— Dilan Esper (@dilanesper) August 29, 2025

Dad-O-Lot said:

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ts5641 said:

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Defense attorneys have no souls. They will happily defend him and denigrate Charlie because that's what they do.

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This is an unfair characterization.

Defense attorneys fill a necessary and critical role only to be denigrated for it. I would not want to do what they do, but I am grateful they do it. Not because I want the guilty to be freed, but because we need to be able to trust the system and the process to get it right.

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There are good and bad people in all professions, including prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys. We need good lawyers on both sides. If you are a prosecutor that intentionally withholds exculpatory evidence to win, you are a scumbag. If you are a defense attorney that intentionally suborns perjury to win, you are a scumbag. Attorneys that publicly advocate in the court of public opinion for their client (whether that is an individual or the state) by lying, are scumbags as well.

aggiehawg said:

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ts5641 said:

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Defense attorneys have no souls. They will happily defend him and denigrate Charlie because that's what they do.

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That's a pretty broad brush you are painting with there. Every one deserves due process which includes the right to a defense. For a lot of defense attorneys, it is just that simple. A matter of principle.

But I digress a bit. The criminal defense bar does not have all that many death penalty certified lawyers. And yes there is a certification process for death penalty cases. Now the killer has the right to choose his counsel but if he gets a public defender, that public defense team will have to be certified. And yes, t is a whole team of at least two DP attorneys, psychologists and investigators.

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Yup.

I hope the kid gets the firing squad once he's found guilty.

I also want the defense attorney to ensure that the government doesn't cut any corners or break any laws.

I also agree with others that point out that some defense attorneys can be scumbags.

It's a necessary evil and as much as much as I want that kid put down he deserves a fair trial.

My uninformed opinion:

Defense main objective will be to get the DP option dropped by the courts pretrial. Anticipate the Koberger approach with motion after motion after motion to throw everything at the wall in hopes something sticks.

Will try to get a plea for LWOP. I could see Kirk's widow eventually supporting this.

If that fails, could see a guilty plea with open punishment phase similar to Parkland shooter.

A guilt phase trial is least likely option here IMO due to strength of the evidence but this Robinson guy may be emboldened by some of the support he has and may want the attention. He could also be remorseful and not want to go through the process.

Either way, I see the defense desperately trying to get this moved out of county to SLC where they will have a far more leftist jury pool. I don't see a SLC jury voting to acquit but I would definitely see high odds of one or more SLC jurors refusing to vote for the DP.

There will be a court appearance today with his new attorney present. Not sure how Utah organizes things but will probably just be more of a schedule setting thing, not sure if they require a plea entry at this one. Trying to get better info.

This guy is a patsy. There's no way he did everything we're being told.

87IE said:

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aggiehawg said:

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ts5641 said:

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Defense attorneys have no souls. They will happily defend him and denigrate Charlie because that's what they do.

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That's a pretty broad brush you are painting with there. Every one deserves due process which includes the right to a defense. For a lot of defense attorneys, it is just that simple. A matter of principle.

But I digress a bit. The criminal defense bar does not have all that many death penalty certified lawyers. And yes there is a certification process for death penalty cases. Now the killer has the right to choose his counsel but if he gets a public defender, that public defense team will have to be certified. And yes, t is a whole team of at least two DP attorneys, psychologists and investigators.

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Yup.

I hope the kid gets the firing squad once he's found guilty.

I also want the defense attorney to ensure that the government doesn't cut any corners or break any laws.

I also agree with others that point out that some defense attorneys can be scumbags.

It's a necessary evil and as much as much as I want that kid put down he deserves a fair trial.

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Some? 95% easy. The only profession more loathsome is a MSM journalist.

SociallyConditionedAg said:

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This guy is a patsy. There's no way he did everything we're being told.

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careful, everyone here has already made up their minds

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A guilt phase trial is least likely option here IMO due to strength of the evidence but this Robinson guy may be emboldened by some of the support he has and may want the attention. He could also be remorseful and not want to go through the process.

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How would he know of any support and/or attention?

ts5641 said:

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Defense attorneys have no souls. They will happily defend him and denigrate Charlie because that's what they do.

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You misspelled personal injury attorneys.

AtticusMatlock said:

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There will be a court appearance today with his new attorney present. Not sure how Utah organizes things but will probably just be more of a schedule setting thing, not sure if they require a plea entry at this one. Trying to get better info.

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Preliminary hearing procedure under Utah law is where a judge decides there was probable cause for the arrest. Now he can waive that hearing and enter a plea today or wait awhile for that hearing to be scheduled a week or so from today. He is appearing via zoom so he will not be physically present in the courtroom today, according to reports.

Wow the state of Utah appointed this guy THREE attorneys to represent him for the Charlie Kirk assassination trial.


https://www.youtube.com/live/QnyaUK_38cg?si=jFQ0F8WJVp-olq_N

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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Wow the state of Utah appointed this guy THREE attorneys to represent him for the Charlie Kirk assassination trial.


https://www.youtube.com/live/QnyaUK_38cg?si=D11IzcfRqnpiGSJk

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That's how death penalty trials go.

I'd be ok with life, no appeal, no parole. If nothing else for his family. Given how the death penalty works it's probably 20 years until he's executed anyway. If he could be killed in a few months, that would actually be a better release of his family. But it normally costs the state more to execute someone than to just feed them until they die.

Attorney asked for more time to decide whether or not they will have a preliminary/ probable cause hearing. Whatever they call it in Utah. Granted. Will have another hearing at a later date.

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Wow the state of Utah appointed this guy THREE attorneys to represent him for the Charlie Kirk assassination trial.


https://www.youtube.com/live/QnyaUK_38cg?si=jFQ0F8WJVp-olq_N

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No surprise there. There also will be an investigative team, including psychologists. Just what happens in DP cases.

Next hearing will be October 30, in person.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5527132-kirk-case-defense-rights/?tbref=hp

The judge is saying all the right things about conducting an open and public fair process, innocent until proven guilty, etc.

Havnt followed a trial close since Rittenhouse but who will be the best YouTube livestream attorneys to follow for this?

Lawyer Lee has been covering the case and is not talking about the politics of it, just the legal process. She's very good at explaining things. I've come to enjoy her channel quite a bit. Right now for the legal stuff I will stick with her.

Uncivil Law is also covering and he's very much a right winger. He can go on unhinged rants at times but he's smart.

I haven't seen whether Dani Ahn is covering. She is a Utah attorney.

There are some others out there covering it but those are channels I don't watch as much so I can't tell you about their takes.

🚨Tyler Robinson October 24 hearing transcript released.

🍭Attention Candyland Cult members: nobody actually takes your nonsense seriously 😂

Tyler Robinson’s defence attorney Mr. Novack:

“There is reference to…conspiracy theorists online. We are all aware of that.”… pic.twitter.com/LZpDU5lqaY

— It’sjustme (@Gingey08) December 30, 2025

Candace Owen's is not going to like this one bit…so it wasn't the Egyptians in connection with Israel with Erika Kirk at a military base the day before? I am shocked I tell you!

Unfortunately most high profile cases are indeed litigated in the public. Look no further than Chauvin or OJ.

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he won't have a Public Defender.

his family is well enough off to afford a defense attorney.

they will go for life in prison rather than the death penalty like Kohberger did.

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If my son did something like this, I wouldn't pay a penny for his defense.

Defense Strategy:

play mentally ill narcissist Candace Owens conspiracy theories that the French Foreign Legion and Egyptian planes killed Charlie on a loop for 24 hours a day.