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It will take about as long as it did after Trump's assassination attempt for the left to revert back to their violent rhetoric. Probably less. Their words are meaningless.

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Its not they that matter. They and their party leaders are Liars incarnate. Its how many more of the Liberal Center they have alienated that will matter. Their dismay and empathy is genuine. You saw it in Rogan for example.

The likes the DNC wants to run for office can't win with just the unhinged left white women (what's the board term awful?) and black women vote against every other block. This driving more of the Center Liberal to the other side or to just not voting will have a big impact.

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Do explain why the left was out burning down cities over a POS dope head abuser of women George Floyd died; however, the right isn't burning down cities over Charlie's death?

Which group is more civilized?

Why do ya'll respect that POS George Floyd who didn't contribute one positive thing to this country or world so much more than someone like Charlie whose main goal in life is help every AMERICAN have a better life and improve the American dream for it's citizens.?

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They're godless and in a cult. And they also don't realize how racist they are. Imagine idolizing pregnant woman robbing thugs who poisoned their own community, like George Floyd, just bc they're black. If he were a white meth head who terrorized innocent pregnant women and OD'd during arrest we'd all be saying "good riddance"

They truly believe blacks are inferior and incapable and need them as "white saviors". They have insultingly low standards of acceptable behavior for blacks…who are also apparently too stupid to get ID's like the rest of society.

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That's the most racist post I've seen on here and that's saying something.

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Um. No...that's fact. And i'm saying this as a black(ish) guy.

You're completely incapable of condemning a radicalized leftist assassin.

Oh, so you can't condemn the violence?

Ellis Wyatt said:

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You're completely incapable of condemning a radicalized leftist assassin.

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Isnt that sad. And this person has an agtag.

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Do explain why the left was out burning down cities over a POS dope head abuser of women George Floyd died; however, the right isn't burning down cities over Charlie's death?

Which group is more civilized?

Why do ya'll respect that POS George Floyd who didn't contribute one positive thing to this country or world so much more than someone like Charlie whose main goal in life is help every AMERICAN have a better life and improve the American dream for it's citizens.?

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They're godless and in a cult. And they also don't realize how racist they are. Imagine idolizing pregnant woman robbing thugs who poisoned their own community, like George Floyd, just bc they're black. If he were a white meth head who terrorized innocent pregnant women and OD'd during arrest we'd all be saying "good riddance"

They truly believe blacks are inferior and incapable and need them as "white saviors". They have insultingly low standards of acceptable behavior for blacks…who are also apparently too stupid to get ID's like the rest of society.

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That's the most racist post I've seen on here and that's saying something.

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Um. No...that's fact. And i'm saying this as a black(ish) guy.

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The worst thing about the current Left among so many others is they really seek to not let black men speak for themselves about what they will tolerate or value. They really are intent on making sure the "leaders" are idiots the ruling elite have funded and selected and keep in front of the cameras as representative.

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Why do your leaders consistently call to violence? I really want to know how that makes you feel. Im not talking about internet message boards, i mean people like pelosi, biden, waters, madonna, depp, holder, etc. i just cant believe you accept this and vote this. Words have influential meaning. When people hear this, especially the vulnerable, they take it as a call to action. It's just bad. I just cant respect you when you vote for this, but Ill pray you see the light one day.

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Lets take your premise seriously. Leaders words and actions result in real world consequences. I agree with this premise entirely. What I have a very difficult time understanding is a willful blindness that this only applies to left wing politicians and only the left needs to tone this down. Memory holing J6 as merely fat elderly Floridians behind velvet ropes and ignore pardoned violent thugs bludgeoning cops with fire extinguishers, forgetting Q Anon took in a crazy % of right leaning voters, etc.

I want a healthier America, period. If you want to claim that the left bears MORE responsibility, I'll agree with that. If you want to claim the right is as pure as the driven snow, and sweet little innocent victims instead admitting where your own **** stinks, I gonna roll my eyes.

Want to have a healthier country where we argue where the line is for effective marginal tax rates, we have to have common standards for acceptable and unacceptable conduct within that debate. The line of conduct is the line, and what side of the argument you take it is irrelevant if you cross conduct lines.

The Left just assassinated a man that devoted the last decade of his life to make America healthy. All criticism of the left is justified. No one said Rs are perfect.

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Your side just assassinated a man that devoted the last decade of his life to make America healthy. All criticism of the left is justified. No one said Rs are perfect.

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What culpability do I personally have for Kirk's death? Its an honestly asked question. I share Kirk's vision of an America that can debate honestly, even if I disagree with many of his political positions. So, when you say "my side" what specific side is that? The marginal tax rate side or the violence is an acceptable form of debate side? Or do you think that there is no separating one from the other?

I edited it to take my reference of you out before you posted. My point still stands though regarding the left.

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Your side just assassinated a man that devoted the last decade of his life to make America healthy. All criticism of the left is justified. No one said Rs are perfect.

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What culpability do I personally have for Kirk's death? Its an honestly asked question. I share Kirk's vision of an America that can debate honestly, even if I disagree with many of his political positions. So, when you say "my side" what specific side is that? The marginal tax rate side or the violence is an acceptable form of debate side? Or do you think that there is no separating one from the other?

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I want a healthier America, period. If you want to claim that the left bears MORE responsibility, I'll agree with that. If you want to claim the right is as pure as the driven snow, and sweet little innocent victims instead admitting where your own **** stinks, I gonna roll my eyes.

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That's enough for me. It recognizes the objective truth. J6, those examples, even Trump's whole campaign came only after years of Left abuse of power and demonization by their mouthpieces. Harmless Bush and even ore harmless Romney are good example and there are thousands of others where the "TDS" syndrome is just an amplification of stuff Left has always done this century. This is reaction, not cause, while on a certain level can absolutely share the deploring that the level of discourse has sunk to and permits.

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I edited it to take my reference of you out before you posted. My point still stands though regarding the left.

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Right, but what is "the left." Gay rights, an economic vision where if you put in an honest 40 hours of work you should be able to buy a house one day, a safety net for the infirm and elderly? Ill sign on the dotted line. Stifling free speech, cancellation of people you disagree with, absolutely not. Both of which you can credibly call "the left" but one is a specific set of policy goals, another a conduct towards people we disagree.

My point is I am against the conduct left full stop. And I recognize patterns in the conduct left in the right that is denouncing "the left."

They don't let anyone think for himself or act for himself. It's why they've ruined education. It's why they want MORE taxation (for everyone else). They don't want to read things they don't like, leading to what they did with censoring social media or how they vote any dissent down on Twitter. They create false narratives because the truth is too ugly for them. See: all the lies about this guy, the lies about Charlie Kirk, the lies about the Minnesota shooter, and any of 1,000 conspiracies they created about Trump. They hate truth.

The democrat party is focused on power, and they use it to control the masses.

The left is Marxism. Every effort is dedicated to America's destruction.

Both sides weaponizing one murder to score points is exactly the kind of tribal reflex that poisons discourse. Violence erodes the possibility of persuasion. Once you normalize killing opponents instead of debating them, every side loses. It pushes us further into camps, dehumanizes individuals, and shuts down the possibility of actual change through ideas.

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The left is Marxism. Every effort is dedicated to America's destruction.

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When we have threads calling out liberals for calling anyone right of center as fascist as the kind of discourse that leads to political violence amongst the weak minded and crazy, I couldn't have asked for a better example of the right wing version of that.

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They don't let anyone think for himself or act for himself. It's why they've ruined education. It's why they want MORE taxation (for everyone else).

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After what USA ID revealed was being wasted along with DOGE's investigations, there can be no talk of taxes until overhead is drastically reduced. There also needs to be asset forfeiture by the political and press class so they live under the glass ceiling they are trying to impose on everyone else. They need to know what middle class has to balance.

Get rid of everything expendable first, then if something needs to be paid for look at processes of direct and transparent voting on taxes. Mandatory pre-publication of bills, things like that. Also, all expenses should have to be renewed by full votes, not just go on and on. You have to make the case each time its still necessary.

Wasted? I think you meant "stolen".

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Name a single democrat politician that has celebrated Charlie Kirks death.

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You should enroll in memory care.

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Your side just assassinated a man that devoted the last decade of his life to make America healthy. All criticism of the left is justified. No one said Rs are perfect.

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What culpability do I personally have for Kirk's death? Its an honestly asked question. I share Kirk's vision of an America that can debate honestly, even if I disagree with many of his political positions. So, when you say "my side" what specific side is that? The marginal tax rate side or the violence is an acceptable form of debate side? Or do you think that there is no separating one from the other?

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So many have fallen for the social justice ideal and don't recognize its danger. The left and the Democrats have embraced it and the underlying Marxism. Sad to see so many intelligent people become bamboozled by a known destructive ideology.

The problem with the left/Democratic party as it currently stands is that its policy positions stem from marxism. Marxism is pure idiocy. It doesn't work and it's ended more lives than it has helped.

Anytime you take power away from the citizens and give it to the government, things go poorly for the citizen. The Democrat party spent the last 4 years importing illegal aliens and deliberately failed to secure our borders. It promotes and encourages drag queens reading to children, putting homosexual pornography in public school libraries, and thinks children should be able to chop off their genitals and take hormone blockers without parental consent.

They wanted anyone who refused to take an experimental gene therapy shot cancelled and put into camps.

Where is any person with more than 2 active brain cells supposed to find value in that?

After this past week, I have no interest in trying to find any commonality with those points of view. It has no value.

I'm just kind of throwing my hands up now. How dare the left call us evil, followed by calling the left Marxist and writing hyperbole strawmen posts about how the left hates and wants to destroy America with blue stars for all. Some of you don't seem to recognize the tragic irony here.

The only tragedy here is allowing the degenerecy of the left progress to the extent is has.

Multiple datasets show that right-wing violence is responsible for more violence and far more murders than left-wing violence. Charlie Kirk's murder is just another data point floating by in the ongoing river of evidence.

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I'm just kind of throwing my hands up now. How dare the left call us evil, followed by calling the left Marxist and writing hyperbole strawmen posts about how the left hates and wants to destroy America with blue stars for all. Some of you don't seem to recognize the tragic irony here.

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You should consider its hard not to find that post by Slicer aligns very closely with the actual behavior and conduct of the Biden admin and many of the party leaders now. The only hypebole might be that it was to destroy the country, rather than in some deranged way they expected it to serve them which is more probable. But most of that did unfold. That's why the center liberal voted the way it did in November. Any reasonable could see it.

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The only tragedy here is allowing the degenerecy of the left progress to the extent is has.

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I'm calling you and Ellis out specifically as being unhelpful to healthy civic dialogue, which I think is desperately needed. If you would have asked, you would have found we are completely aligned on gender and trans overreach by the left.

Where we differ is on issues we probably both recognize as problems. I am going to guess that you would agree with me that being born in inner city Baltimore will make that American statistically significantly less likely to become a high achieving American citizen. In my world view, I think community resources should be more heavily invested in infrastructure like police, roads, hospitals, education per capita to do something to improve that trend. Is that "marxism" and evil "social justice", or is it a commitment to promoting the general welfare to secure the blessings of liberty?

I agree with you but that should be done only by states and counties. Let them decide how to best do it. Then we, the taxpayers can live in a state most aligned with what we want. I for one am very tired of paying way more than my "fair share" and then being told by liberals it's not enough

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Why do your leaders consistently call to violence? I really want to know how that makes you feel. Im not talking about internet message boards, i mean people like pelosi, biden, waters, madonna, depp, holder, etc. i just cant believe you accept this and vote this. Words have influential meaning. When people hear this, especially the vulnerable, they take it as a call to action. It's just bad. I just cant respect you when you vote for this, but Ill pray you see the light one day.

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No liberal will say anything. They'll just wait to shoot you somewhere, and celebrate it on TikTok and feel good about they.

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I agree with you but that should be done only by states and counties. Let them decide how to best do it. Then we, the taxpayers can live in a state most aligned with what we want. I for one am very tired of paying way more than my "fair share" and then being told by liberals it's not enough

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Agree to a point. Certain big enough things fine with Federal backstop. Education is not one of them, but certain kinds of edifices you want done properly rather than based on whether the funds are there--such as major bridges and yes roads. Also inner cities ruled by a Dem apparatchik are an issue itself. I think the current intervention with NG might be useful in a different way. Set some minimum benchmark of order expected for a city or the leadership will be removed from above.

And setting aside the debate here, we're back to familiar ground of policy debate. I don't think either of us are evil for our world views, we just differ in how best to have a more perfect union. The meat I'd like to consider here is the conduct potion of discourse. You can frame it as an xy axis as conduct and policy. The conduct axis of disagreement matters for political violence, as the last year demonstrates.

The politicians on the left are the ones continually calling for violence and continually using bombastic rhetoric like "end of the republic," etc. Leftists are the only ones killing peolle.

Democrat Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse just PRAISED Michael Mann for "great work" despite the fact Mann reposted a comment on X calling Charlie Kirk the "head of Trump’s Hitler Youth."

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