YouBet said:

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I'm still laughing that somehow Trump curing autism is somehow a possibility with this announcement.

Guys, come on.

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YouBet said:

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I'm still laughing that somehow Trump curing autism is somehow a possibility with this announcement.

Guys, come on.

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shack009 said:

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YouBet said:

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I'm still laughing that somehow Trump curing autism is somehow a possibility with this announcement.

Guys, come on.

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Is there anybody that thinks he cured it, or do people think a link has been found with certain prior practices that can prevent some future cases?

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agracer said:

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SquirrellyDan said:

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KidDoc said:

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### Key Estimates from CDC Data
The most comprehensive recent analysis comes from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), focusing on the impact of routine childhood immunizations under the Vaccines for Children (VFC) program since 1994.

- **Total Prevented (19942023)**: Among ~117 million children born in this period, vaccines prevented an estimated **1,129,000 deaths** over their lifetimes from VPDs. This includes ~508 million illnesses and 32 million hospitalizations averted. These figures cover nine key vaccines: DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis), Hib, polio, MMR (measles, mumps, rubella), hepatitis B, varicella, PCV (pneumococcal), hepatitis A, and rotavirus.
- Breakdown by disease (lifetime deaths prevented for this birth cohort):
| Disease/Vaccine | Estimated Deaths Prevented |
|-----------------|----------------------------|
| Pertussis (DTaP) | 376,000 |
| Polio | 199,000 |
| Tetanus (DTaP) | 162,000 |

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I'll just pick out one AI comment you apparently agree with…you really think 162,000 kids are dying in 2025 from Tetanus if we don't have the vaccine ?

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since 1994.

So 162,000 in 30-years or 5,400 per year.

Also, Tetanus can be treated with anti-biotics.

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Quote:

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Treatment
A tetanus infection requires emergency and long-term supportive care while the disease runs its course, often in an intensive care unit. Any wounds are cared for and the healthcare team will make sure that the ability to breathe is protected. Medicines are given that ease symptoms, target the bacteria, target the toxin made by the bacteria and boost immune system response.
The disease progresses for about two weeks, and recovery can last about a month.

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MD1993 said:

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The owner of the company I worked for just announced to the management team that Trump has cured Autism.

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SquirrellyDan said:

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KidDoc said:

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suburban cowboy said:

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KidDoc said:

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The leucovorin treatment works for some autism patients. You can look up Dr Frye and Cerebral folate deficiency for details. It is not a cure all, only effective for those patients which may end up being a large percentage of autistic children. I have been prescribing it a few months and as expected some kids really improve and some it does nothing.

The Tylenol seems like a big stretch. But I don't know what data he is sitting on.

I would be ecstatic if this stopped the anti vax trend that is literally killing healthy children.

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can you expand on the vax comment

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From a grok question:

### Overview of Preventable Childhood Deaths from Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the USA

Vaccine-preventable diseases (VPDs) in children include infections like measles, pertussis (whooping cough), polio, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), diphtheria, tetanus, varicella (chickenpox), hepatitis B, pneumococcal disease, rotavirus, and hepatitis A. In the USA, widespread childhood vaccination since the mid-20th century has dramatically reduced these diseases, eliminating or nearly eliminating deaths from most. For instance, pre-vaccine era annual estimates for the 13 major VPDs (prior to 2005 recommendations) included over 20,000 deaths in children, compared to fewer than 100 today across all ages.

The term "preventable" in this context refers to deaths averted *due to* vaccination programsi.e., the number of fatalities that would have occurred without vaccines. Current annual deaths from VPDs in US children are extremely low (often 010 per year total), but estimates model historical baselines and vaccine efficacy to quantify total prevention.

### Key Estimates from CDC Data
The most comprehensive recent analysis comes from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), focusing on the impact of routine childhood immunizations under the Vaccines for Children (VFC) program since 1994.

- **Total Prevented (19942023)**: Among ~117 million children born in this period, vaccines prevented an estimated **1,129,000 deaths** over their lifetimes from VPDs. This includes ~508 million illnesses and 32 million hospitalizations averted. These figures cover nine key vaccines: DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis), Hib, polio, MMR (measles, mumps, rubella), hepatitis B, varicella, PCV (pneumococcal), hepatitis A, and rotavirus.
- Breakdown by disease (lifetime deaths prevented for this birth cohort):
| Disease/Vaccine | Estimated Deaths Prevented |
|-----------------|----------------------------|
| Pertussis (DTaP) | 376,000 |
| Polio | 199,000 |
| Tetanus (DTaP) | 162,000 |
| Rubella (MMR) | 138,000 |
| Diphtheria (DTaP) | 104,000 |
| Measles (MMR) | 76,000 |
| Hib | 39,000 |
| Hepatitis B | 19,000 |
| Varicella | 7,000 |
| Mumps (MMR) | 3,000 |
| Rotavirus | 2,000 |
| Pneumococcal (PCV) | 2,000 |
| Hepatitis A | 1,000 |
| **Total** | **1,129,000** |

- **Annual Average Prevented**: Over 30 years, this equates to ~**37,633 deaths prevented per year** across all ages for these cohorts. However, the majority occur in childhood (<18 years), as these diseases primarily affect young children. For context, pre-vaccine era annual child deaths from these diseases alone exceeded 10,00015,000.

### Historical Context (Pre-Vaccine Era vs. Now)
Before vaccines, VPDs caused massive child mortality in the USA:
- Annual estimates (early 20th century): ~48,000 deaths from 10 key VPDs in children under 15 (e.g., 6,000 from pertussis, 5,000 from diphtheria).
- Post-vaccination: By 20232024, CDC surveillance reports 0 deaths from polio/measles/diphtheria/rubella since 2000, <5 from pertussis annually in children, and near-zero for Hib/varicella/hepatitis A/B.

### Challenges and Future Risks
Despite success, vaccine hesitancy has led to coverage drops (e.g., MMR at 93% in 2023 vs. 95% target), risking outbreaks. Recent pertussis cases rose to 18,000+ in 2024, with 10 child deathsmostly in unvaccinated or undervaccinated kids. If coverage falls further, models predict 100s1,000s of additional preventable deaths annually.

Global estimates (e.g., WHO/UNICEF) focus on low-income countries (~700,000 child VPD deaths/year worldwide), but US-specific data aligns with CDC figures, emphasizing vaccination's role in averting nearly all historical child VPD mortality.

For the latest CDC surveillance, visit their VPD morbidity page. Consult a pediatrician for personalized vaccination advice.

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I'll just pick out one AI comment you apparently agree with…you really think 162,000 kids are dying in 2025 from Tetanus if we don't have the vaccine ?

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KidDoc said:

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SquirrellyDan said:

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KidDoc said:

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suburban cowboy said:

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KidDoc said:

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The leucovorin treatment works for some autism patients. You can look up Dr Frye and Cerebral folate deficiency for details. It is not a cure all, only effective for those patients which may end up being a large percentage of autistic children. I have been prescribing it a few months and as expected some kids really improve and some it does nothing.

The Tylenol seems like a big stretch. But I don't know what data he is sitting on.

I would be ecstatic if this stopped the anti vax trend that is literally killing healthy children.

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can you expand on the vax comment

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From a grok question:

### Overview of Preventable Childhood Deaths from Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the USA

Vaccine-preventable diseases (VPDs) in children include infections like measles, pertussis (whooping cough), polio, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), diphtheria, tetanus, varicella (chickenpox), hepatitis B, pneumococcal disease, rotavirus, and hepatitis A. In the USA, widespread childhood vaccination since the mid-20th century has dramatically reduced these diseases, eliminating or nearly eliminating deaths from most. For instance, pre-vaccine era annual estimates for the 13 major VPDs (prior to 2005 recommendations) included over 20,000 deaths in children, compared to fewer than 100 today across all ages.

The term "preventable" in this context refers to deaths averted *due to* vaccination programsi.e., the number of fatalities that would have occurred without vaccines. Current annual deaths from VPDs in US children are extremely low (often 010 per year total), but estimates model historical baselines and vaccine efficacy to quantify total prevention.

### Key Estimates from CDC Data
The most comprehensive recent analysis comes from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), focusing on the impact of routine childhood immunizations under the Vaccines for Children (VFC) program since 1994.

- **Total Prevented (19942023)**: Among ~117 million children born in this period, vaccines prevented an estimated **1,129,000 deaths** over their lifetimes from VPDs. This includes ~508 million illnesses and 32 million hospitalizations averted. These figures cover nine key vaccines: DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis), Hib, polio, MMR (measles, mumps, rubella), hepatitis B, varicella, PCV (pneumococcal), hepatitis A, and rotavirus.
- Breakdown by disease (lifetime deaths prevented for this birth cohort):
| Disease/Vaccine | Estimated Deaths Prevented |
|-----------------|----------------------------|
| Pertussis (DTaP) | 376,000 |
| Polio | 199,000 |
| Tetanus (DTaP) | 162,000 |
| Rubella (MMR) | 138,000 |
| Diphtheria (DTaP) | 104,000 |
| Measles (MMR) | 76,000 |
| Hib | 39,000 |
| Hepatitis B | 19,000 |
| Varicella | 7,000 |
| Mumps (MMR) | 3,000 |
| Rotavirus | 2,000 |
| Pneumococcal (PCV) | 2,000 |
| Hepatitis A | 1,000 |
| **Total** | **1,129,000** |

- **Annual Average Prevented**: Over 30 years, this equates to ~**37,633 deaths prevented per year** across all ages for these cohorts. However, the majority occur in childhood (<18 years), as these diseases primarily affect young children. For context, pre-vaccine era annual child deaths from these diseases alone exceeded 10,00015,000.

### Historical Context (Pre-Vaccine Era vs. Now)
Before vaccines, VPDs caused massive child mortality in the USA:
- Annual estimates (early 20th century): ~48,000 deaths from 10 key VPDs in children under 15 (e.g., 6,000 from pertussis, 5,000 from diphtheria).
- Post-vaccination: By 20232024, CDC surveillance reports 0 deaths from polio/measles/diphtheria/rubella since 2000, <5 from pertussis annually in children, and near-zero for Hib/varicella/hepatitis A/B.

### Challenges and Future Risks
Despite success, vaccine hesitancy has led to coverage drops (e.g., MMR at 93% in 2023 vs. 95% target), risking outbreaks. Recent pertussis cases rose to 18,000+ in 2024, with 10 child deathsmostly in unvaccinated or undervaccinated kids. If coverage falls further, models predict 100s1,000s of additional preventable deaths annually.

Global estimates (e.g., WHO/UNICEF) focus on low-income countries (~700,000 child VPD deaths/year worldwide), but US-specific data aligns with CDC figures, emphasizing vaccination's role in averting nearly all historical child VPD mortality.

For the latest CDC surveillance, visit their VPD morbidity page. Consult a pediatrician for personalized vaccination advice.

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I'll just pick out one AI comment you apparently agree with…you really think 162,000 kids are dying in 2025 from Tetanus if we don't have the vaccine ?

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Hard to know but that is what the data shows. I know I have plenty of country teens that get dirty injuries regularly.

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KidDoc said:

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SquirrellyDan said:

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KidDoc said:

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SquirrellyDan said:

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KidDoc said:

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suburban cowboy said:

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KidDoc said:

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The leucovorin treatment works for some autism patients. You can look up Dr Frye and Cerebral folate deficiency for details. It is not a cure all, only effective for those patients which may end up being a large percentage of autistic children. I have been prescribing it a few months and as expected some kids really improve and some it does nothing.

The Tylenol seems like a big stretch. But I don't know what data he is sitting on.

I would be ecstatic if this stopped the anti vax trend that is literally killing healthy children.

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can you expand on the vax comment

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From a grok question:

### Overview of Preventable Childhood Deaths from Vaccine-Preventable Diseases in the USA

Vaccine-preventable diseases (VPDs) in children include infections like measles, pertussis (whooping cough), polio, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), diphtheria, tetanus, varicella (chickenpox), hepatitis B, pneumococcal disease, rotavirus, and hepatitis A. In the USA, widespread childhood vaccination since the mid-20th century has dramatically reduced these diseases, eliminating or nearly eliminating deaths from most. For instance, pre-vaccine era annual estimates for the 13 major VPDs (prior to 2005 recommendations) included over 20,000 deaths in children, compared to fewer than 100 today across all ages.

The term "preventable" in this context refers to deaths averted *due to* vaccination programsi.e., the number of fatalities that would have occurred without vaccines. Current annual deaths from VPDs in US children are extremely low (often 010 per year total), but estimates model historical baselines and vaccine efficacy to quantify total prevention.

### Key Estimates from CDC Data
The most comprehensive recent analysis comes from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), focusing on the impact of routine childhood immunizations under the Vaccines for Children (VFC) program since 1994.

- **Total Prevented (19942023)**: Among ~117 million children born in this period, vaccines prevented an estimated **1,129,000 deaths** over their lifetimes from VPDs. This includes ~508 million illnesses and 32 million hospitalizations averted. These figures cover nine key vaccines: DTaP (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis), Hib, polio, MMR (measles, mumps, rubella), hepatitis B, varicella, PCV (pneumococcal), hepatitis A, and rotavirus.
- Breakdown by disease (lifetime deaths prevented for this birth cohort):
| Disease/Vaccine | Estimated Deaths Prevented |
|-----------------|----------------------------|
| Pertussis (DTaP) | 376,000 |
| Polio | 199,000 |
| Tetanus (DTaP) | 162,000 |
| Rubella (MMR) | 138,000 |
| Diphtheria (DTaP) | 104,000 |
| Measles (MMR) | 76,000 |
| Hib | 39,000 |
| Hepatitis B | 19,000 |
| Varicella | 7,000 |
| Mumps (MMR) | 3,000 |
| Rotavirus | 2,000 |
| Pneumococcal (PCV) | 2,000 |
| Hepatitis A | 1,000 |
| **Total** | **1,129,000** |

- **Annual Average Prevented**: Over 30 years, this equates to ~**37,633 deaths prevented per year** across all ages for these cohorts. However, the majority occur in childhood (<18 years), as these diseases primarily affect young children. For context, pre-vaccine era annual child deaths from these diseases alone exceeded 10,00015,000.

### Historical Context (Pre-Vaccine Era vs. Now)
Before vaccines, VPDs caused massive child mortality in the USA:
- Annual estimates (early 20th century): ~48,000 deaths from 10 key VPDs in children under 15 (e.g., 6,000 from pertussis, 5,000 from diphtheria).
- Post-vaccination: By 20232024, CDC surveillance reports 0 deaths from polio/measles/diphtheria/rubella since 2000, <5 from pertussis annually in children, and near-zero for Hib/varicella/hepatitis A/B.

### Challenges and Future Risks
Despite success, vaccine hesitancy has led to coverage drops (e.g., MMR at 93% in 2023 vs. 95% target), risking outbreaks. Recent pertussis cases rose to 18,000+ in 2024, with 10 child deathsmostly in unvaccinated or undervaccinated kids. If coverage falls further, models predict 100s1,000s of additional preventable deaths annually.

Global estimates (e.g., WHO/UNICEF) focus on low-income countries (~700,000 child VPD deaths/year worldwide), but US-specific data aligns with CDC figures, emphasizing vaccination's role in averting nearly all historical child VPD mortality.

For the latest CDC surveillance, visit their VPD morbidity page. Consult a pediatrician for personalized vaccination advice.

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I'll just pick out one AI comment you apparently agree with…you really think 162,000 kids are dying in 2025 from Tetanus if we don't have the vaccine ?

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Hard to know but that is what the data shows. I know I have plenty of country teens that get dirty injuries regularly.

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Getting a dirty wound isn't enough, as I'm sure you're well aware.

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You should see some of the incredible MRSA infections we see coming in. Those teens are tough and don't want to go to the doc so don't mention it to parents until it is getting really bad.

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KidDoc said:

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shack009 said:

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I think he wanted your opinion and observations based on your experience as a doctor, and you went to Grok?

Vaccine skepticism isn't killing kids.

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AI can tabulate data much faster than any human.

I could just say that vaccines work and I hate seeing patients left open to dangerous infectious disease due to parental anxiety disorder but then vax refusers would just roll their eyes and claim I'm being paid millions by pharma.

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Harry Stone said:

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Tylenol it is.

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shack009 said:

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Harry Stone said:

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Tylenol it is.

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Acetaminophine to be more specific.

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Harry Stone said:

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shack009 said:

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Harry Stone said:

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Tylenol it is.

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Acetaminophine to be more specific.

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Well yes.

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HTownAg98 said:

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"Someone advocates against the tetanus shot" was not a square I have on my Texags F16 Bingo Card. I didn't even know that ball was in the damn hopper!

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