Trump urges GOP to 'end the shutdown' by going nuclear on Senate filibuster

I feel like they could do it w/o getting too much blowback on this right now. Democrats have exposed themselves as using the shutdown as leverage. They have had zero problem with CRs before. I think the GOP could do it under the guise of we wanted to pay and feed our people. We could no longer sit back while the democrats used 41MM+ people's food security.

Democrats have no foot to stand on to complain about the ending of the filibuster as they tried it themselves.

Or is there a way to end the filibuster just for a CR?

oldcrow91 said:

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Why not? It is abundantly clear that if dems get enough power again, they will. They already tried, but Manchin and Synema were the adults in the room there.

We discussed this yesterday: https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3572096

Same thing I said to Teslag's thread yesterday:

no

Is it worth it? It would be very risky to give the current radical iteration of Dems license to go nuts if they seize power again. They might do it anyways of course but at least there would remain considerable political consequences for breaching the traditional check and balance they themselves often use.

If it is done, the matter must be far more dire than to foil Chick Schumer keeping his seat safe from a radical primary challenge overccomplsining government employees who all will be paid.

No

No. I want the dems to be forced by their base to capitulate

MouthBQ98 said:

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Is it worth it? It would be very risky to give the current radical iteration of Dems license to go nuts if they seize power again. They might do it anyways of course but at least there would remain considerable political consequences for breaching the traditional check and balance they themselves often use.

If it is done, the matter must be far more dire than to foil Chick Schumer keeping his seat safe from a radical primary challenge overccomplsining government employees who all will be paid.

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Other than for judicial nominees, has it even been done before? Is there precedent? Its definitely the wrong move now, when the GOP position so clearly just the reasonable one that much of the country agrees.

For all those saying no, what about the current Dem party indicates to you they will not do this IMMEDIATELY when they have a 50+1 majority? Only reason they didn't the last time is there plan to jail, kill, disqualify, etc Trump were all in motion.

They are going to do it. Why let them have all the fun? Why fear what may happen and ignore what will happen?

normalhorn said:

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Ending the filibuster sets the clock on so many things in government when Democrats have majority control, like:

Ending the Electoral College for a national popular vote

Adding to the Supreme Court

I could go on, but I don't like thinking about the ramifications of it

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Sooooo … the GOP should end the filibuster, stack SCOTUS, split Texas and Florida into 7 states and profit!

CDUB98 said:

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Same thing I said to Teslag's thread yesterday:

no

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If you know you'll have the house for a generation or more why not?

With all due hat tip to Memphis Ag, stealing this from the other broad shutdown thread as too relevant to not be part of the discussion here:

How about it?

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The R's should carve out a narrow filibuster exception to pass continuing resolutions that simply keep the government operating, like they did to allow a vote on SC justices with just a simple majority.

Keep it for all other legislation where you want the minority party to have a limited say, but you can't let the Democrats seize up the government and turn off the basic cash flow for existing commitments. That's just dumb.

The Dems are going to nuke the entire filibuster the first chance they get. They already tried under Biden but Manchin and Sinema wouldn't go along. There's no need to pretend that if R's honor it that the Dems will.

Remove their intransigence now and give them nothing to show for it.

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normalhorn said:

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Ending the filibuster sets the clock on so many things in government when Democrats have majority control, like:

Ending the Electoral College for a national popular vote

Adding to the Supreme Court

I could go on, but I don't like thinking about the ramifications of it

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Ending the electoral college would take an amendment

normalhorn said:

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Ending the filibuster sets the clock on so many things in government when Democrats have majority control, like:

Ending the Electoral College for a national popular vote - This would require a Constitutional Amendment.

Adding to the Supreme Court - They can already do that with the nuclear option on judges.

I could go on, but I don't like thinking about the ramifications of it

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Ummmmm

They should remove the filibuster for everything except clean CRs.

The R's should carve out a narrow filibuster exception to pass continuing resolutions that simply keep the government operating, like they did to allow a vote on SC justices with just a simple majority.

Keep it for all other legislation where you want the minority party to have a limited say, but you can't let the Democrats seize up the government and turn off the basic cash flow for existing commitments. That's just dumb.

The Dems are going to nuke the entire filibuster the first chance they get. They already tried under Biden but Manchin and Sinema wouldn't go along. There's no need to pretend that if R's honor it that the Dems will.

Remove their intransigence now and give them nothing to show for it.

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Trump knows it'll never happen. But, he knows that calling for it makes him look like he cares about getting past the shutdown while knowing that the longer the shutdown goes on, the worse the democrats look.

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This is correct, but saying this out loud has unintended consequences. Now, this is a legit option put on the table and our good guys are expected to burn this card when they don't want to.

DJT does not want the stores to be looted. He does not want to have to deal with those that turn to theft and property damage in order to get their freebies. Such a waste of time. He is on a roll with making America Gold.


"But they are hungry! You have no soul"

Look, if you are capable of breaking into a store, exerting the energy to race around thieving what isn't yours and loading it into your VEHICLE either at peak shape or 200lbs over weight, you do not need those freebies and you are straight up stealing to be stealing. You are either able body to work or need to stop eating for the next month anyways (share with your kids).

Nope...Keep paying the actual parts of the gov't that are critical thru other means and let the Demoncrats stew in their own misery.

No advantage to ending this thru extraordinary means. Let it go....you now have Republicans standing up with Union leaders demanding the Democrats do something. Let it go...polls are clear this is a Demoncrat caused issue...let it go....shut down meaningless parts of government...let it go...CNN is even calling them out....let it go...

I vote no. On the other thread, I mentioned that I believe that this is actually a primary Dem goal in the shut down - have the GOP do their dirty work for them. Screw them. Admittedly, the shut down affects me in no material way, so I can afford to take the high ground. The Dems will crawl back into power at some point, so why gift wrap it for them?

What we SHOULD do is have the house pass decomposing bills. Add clauses to Dem preferred spending which strips funding based off of the length of filibuster.

"I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further!" style

Step 1 see which way the midterms go. If Rep do not maintain both houses abort. If the do go to step 2

Step 2 End filibuster and blue slips

Step 3 expand and pack the Sup Ct; pass raftload of Constitutional amendments for conservative causes.

Step 4 pass amendment enshrining filibuster

Let the people through the state ratification process decide the issue

Learn from our enemies how to pull up the ladder after winning.

No

when we are in the minority with a President Alexandra Cortez we will need the filibuster.

Yes. Stupid not to.

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" , Napoleon Bonaparte

You think they won't?! They already tried! Now you have their sitting senators saying they'll try again.

Gaeilge said:

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You think they won't?! They already tried! Now you have their sitting senators saying they'll try again.

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That is certainly an argument. They were down to just two reasonable Senators last time to stop them. Do any really believe the number of reasonable members are growing in the DNC? Will there even be two next round?

So this is something to bear in mind too, as seek to balance this.

Wildmen03 said:

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Trump knows it'll never happen. But, he knows that calling for it makes him look like he cares about getting past the shutdown while knowing that the longer the shutdown goes on, the worse the democrats look.

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Makes it look like he cares.

Could have stopped there.

YES!! Cloture rule prevents governance of the majority. So it prevents the will of the people. If cloture was eliminated, great things could be done for the country over the next three years

CDUB98 said:

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normalhorn said:

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Ending the filibuster sets the clock on so many things in government when Democrats have majority control, like:

Ending the Electoral College for a national popular vote - This would require a Constitutional Amendment.

Adding to the Supreme Court - They can already do that with the nuclear option on judges.

I could go on, but I don't like thinking about the ramifications of it

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Ummmmm

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I'm not stating that ending the filibuster makes these ready to be ruined. But it starts the plans on the path to it.

For a party that would rather use the Constitution as toilet paper, do you think Democrats would care about that as a hurdle? A wide majority of them already see it as a archaic, racist roadblock to their communist utopia.

And for anyone suggesting that the GOP end the filibuster and take these matters into their own hands, what evidence is there that Republicans have the gonads to act with reckless 'screw you' mentality for things like stacking the SC? If they added just 2 or 4, the first chance Dems have they'd add 23 or 57 DEI'd justices.

Gaeilge said:

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oldcrow91 said:

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No

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Why not? It is abundantly clear that if dems get enough power again, they will. They already tried, but Manchin and Synema were the adults in the room there.

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Bull***** That is not anywhere near 'abundantly clear'. I've heard that for 30 years

Do. Not. Do. It.