Should The GOP End The Filibuster?

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McEnany just went on a rant on The Five calling for an end to the filibuster… but limited just spending bills.

On its face it sounds like a workable solution. I still say end it overall, but could live with this as a way to reopen and give the Dems the nothing they deserve.
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What they need to do is pass the end of the filibuster, and with it a law that allows States the option to succeed if additional States are added or the number of Supreme Court justices is increased.

So when the loons take over again....adios mofo,
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Ferg said:

What they need to do is pass the end of the filibuster, and with it a law that allows States the option to succeed if additional States are added or the number of Supreme Court justices is increased.

So when the loons take over again....adios mofo,

THAT is on the right track. If you end the filibuster, set up laws that break up Left options if seek to abuse power beyond just similar antics like a CR
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RogerFurlong
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Don't end the Filibuster. Just enforce it. Make them stand up all night talking until they finally give in.
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Republicans may as well end it to get something while they can. Dems are for sure going nuclear as soon as they get power back.
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If the Republicans don't nuke, they are finished as a party.

Democrats just elected a Muslim Shiite as their NYC mayor, the left will win the midterms and from that point it is over.

The democrats tried it last time they were in control and Schumer voted for it. They will nuke.

Let that sink in..
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5Amp said:

If the Republicans don't nuke, they are finished as a party.

Democrats just elected a Muslim Shiite as their NYC mayor, the left will win the midterms and from that point it is over.

The democrats tried it last time they were in control and Schumer voted for it. They will nuke.

Let that sink in..

Starting to think so too. Not least because it will be the AOC /Mamdani brand in charge by the time they are back in full power. So even if you think Pelosi and Schumer never would have (hmph) --- people that don't even lip service respect the past will be in charge by then.

I still haven't seen an answer to why that they are driving out Fetterman is not de-facto proof they will not tolerate Sinemas and Manchins any more?
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Logos Stick said:



I am wondering if this is reverse psychology from Trump? If he's saying nuke the filibuster, the Dems will automatically defend it just because they are opposite anything Trump says?
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Nuke with the assumption retention of midterms, that is what Thune does not see happening, he has internal poll numbers that would be dereliction of duty to hit the button.
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flown-the-coop said:

McEnany just went on a rant on The Five calling for an end to the filibuster… but limited just spending bills.

On its face it sounds like a workable solution. I still say end it overall, but could live with this as a way to reopen and give the Dems the nothing they deserve.

That's what I've been calling for... eliminate it only for temporary CR's so that the minority party can't bring the government to a halt over basic cash flow. You could even limit it to CR's for less than a 90 day length. Keep the filibuster for everything else. You can't let the Dems get what they want from this. Otherwise, every minority party in the future (D or R) will bring basic government services to a halt in order to try and gain leverage in negotiations.
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MemphisAg1 said:

flown-the-coop said:

McEnany just went on a rant on The Five calling for an end to the filibuster… but limited just spending bills.

On its face it sounds like a workable solution. I still say end it overall, but could live with this as a way to reopen and give the Dems the nothing they deserve.

That's what I've been calling for... eliminate it only for temporary CR's so that the minority party can't bring the government to a halt over basic cash flow. You could even limit it to CR's for less than a 90 day length. Keep the filibuster for everything else. You can't let the Dems get what they want from this. Otherwise, every minority party in the future (D or R) will bring basic government services to a halt in order to try and gain leverage in negotiations.

And you may as well abandon voting because it will never effect recovery. We are in serious risk right now that a combined electoral and popular mandate vote in November 2024 is still just neutralized by the swamp. If that can happen, its really pointless. It would be time to resort to more direct corrections.
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Burpelson said:

Nuke with the assumption retention of midterms, that is what Thune does not see happening, he has internal poll numbers that would be dereliction of duty to hit the button.


Is this what Reddit is thinking? If Trump tells Thune to take his pisses standing on one leg and whistling Dixie, then that is what Thune will do. There is a reason it is Thune at the helm and not some limp dick ****** named Cornyn, who was rightfully "due" his term as Senate Leader.

The filibuster will be gone. Just look at the comments on this thread. Tide has turned since Tuesday and the resulting attitude amongst the Dimwitted Dems that their elections in NYC, NJ and Virginia was a mandate that all Americans want the Dems in charge.

Bold play Cotton, let's see how it works out.
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Cromagnum said:

Republicans may as well end it to get something while they can.

Murkowski and Collins will vote against anything even slightly conservative. That only gives a 51-49 margin so everyone else would have to fall in line. Republicans never do that.
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Burpelson said:

Nuke with the assumption retention of midterms, that is what Thune does not see happening, he has internal poll numbers that would be dereliction of duty to hit the button.


I'd rather what to see what SCOTUS does with Louisiana vs Callais. If it goes the way many think it will then the worry of Democrats ever regaining power to take advantage of no filibuster is basically non-existent.
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aggiehawg said:

Logos Stick said:



I am wondering if this is reverse psychology from Trump? If he's saying nuke the filibuster, the Dems will automatically defend it just because they are opposite anything Trump says?



Dems are liars so it doesn't matter what they say. They will nuke it the next time they have control of congress and the WH.

Raskin was just on with Andrea Mitchell yesterday. She reminded him he supported ending it during the Biden admin and now he doesn't. He was tripping all over himself.

At that point, they will stack SCOTUS first. Then they will open the borders, allow illegals to vote, end the 2nd as we know it, raise taxes dramatically, implement government run healthcare, etc... The Marxists will control the country. It's ashamed that conservatives can't see that, (not saying you can't, just in general)
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Logos Stick said:

aggiehawg said:

Logos Stick said:



I am wondering if this is reverse psychology from Trump? If he's saying nuke the filibuster, the Dems will automatically defend it just because they are opposite anything Trump says?



Dems are liars so it doesn't matter what they say. They will nuke it the next time they have control of congress and the WH.

Raskin was just on with Andrea Mitchell yesterday. She reminded him he supported ending it during the Biden admin and now he doesn't. He was tripping all over himself.

At that point, they will stack SCOTUS first. Then they will open the borders, allow illegals to vote, end the 2nd as we know it, raise taxes dramatically, implement government run healthcare, etc... The Marxists will control the country. It's ashamed that conservatives can't see that, (not saying you can't, just in general)

Exactly. Rs better be smart with this move because this will happen once Dems have majority.
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Teslag said:

Burpelson said:

Nuke with the assumption retention of midterms, that is what Thune does not see happening, he has internal poll numbers that would be dereliction of duty to hit the button.


I'd rather what to see what SCOTUS does with Louisiana vs Callais. If it goes the way many think it will then the worry of Democrats ever regaining power to take advantage of no filibuster is basically non-existent.

Agree on that part that is why do say if you are going to do it, wait for 2026. See where things stand. See if its necessary and don't use it for some CR. Use it to fix some Hill processes.
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Teslag said:

Burpelson said:

Nuke with the assumption retention of midterms, that is what Thune does not see happening, he has internal poll numbers that would be dereliction of duty to hit the button.


I'd rather what to see what SCOTUS does with Louisiana vs Callais. If it goes the way many think it will then the worry of Democrats ever regaining power to take advantage of no filibuster is basically non-existent.


The Rs might get 8 seats that way.

The Dems states will simply redraw their maps like Cali is going to do to offset it.
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Burpelson said:

Nuke with the assumption retention of midterms, that is what Thune does not see happening, he has internal poll numbers that would be dereliction of duty to hit the button.


Theres about 6 seats that are toss ups- 2 dems and 4 republican.

Here are the 35 Senate races up for election in 2026

-Alabama: Katie Britt (R) Strong R
Alaska: Dan Sullivan (R) Strong R
Arkansas: Tom Cotton (R) Strong R
Colorado: John Hickenlooper (D) Strong D
Delaware: Chris Coons (D) Strong D
Georgia: Jon Ossoff (D) Toss Up
Idaho: Jim Risch (R) Strong R
Illinois: Dick Durbin (D) Strong D
Iowa: Joni Ernst (R) Strong R
Kansas: Roger Marshall (R) Strong R
Kentucky: Mitch McConnell (R, retiring) Strong R
Louisiana: Bill Cassidy (R) Strong R
Maine: collins (I/r) Strong D
Massachusetts: Ed Markey (D) Strong D
Michigan: Gary Peters (D, retiring) Lean D/Toss Up
Minnesota: Amy Klobuchar (D) Toss Up
Mississippi: Cindy Hyde-Smith (R) Strong R
Montana: Steve Daines (R) Strong R
Nebraska: Pete Ricketts (R) Toss Up
Nevada: Jacky Rosen (D) Toss Up
New Hampshire: Maggie Hassan (D) Toss Up
New Jersey: Cory Booker (D) Strong D
New Mexico: Martin Heinrich (D) Strong D
North Carolina: Thom Tillis (R, retiring) Toss Up
Oklahoma: Markwayne Mullin (R) Strong R
Oregon: Jeff Merkley (D) Strong D
Rhode Island: Jack Reed (D) Strong D
South Carolina: Lindsey Graham (R) Strong R
South Dakota: Mike Rounds (R) Strong R
Tennessee: Bill Hagerty (R) Strong R
Texas: John Cornyn (R) Lean R/Toss Up
Virginia: Mark Warner (D) Strong D
West Virginia: Shelley Moore Capito (R) Strong R
Wyoming: Cynthia Lummis (R) Strong R
Washington: Maria Cantwell (D) Strong D
Ohio (Special Election): Jon Husted (R, appointee) Toss Up


Dems need to flip 2 and not lose one

Out of the "toss ups"

Dems for sure will hold Minnesota, new hampshire

They will probably hold nevada

They will probably win maine

The Republicans will for sure hold Texas, ohio,

They will probably hold Nebraska

That means the most likely to flip(if one would) are:

North Carolina r->d
Georgia d->r
Michigan d->r

I just dont see it happening this cycle for the dems.
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Logos Stick said:

Teslag said:

Burpelson said:

Nuke with the assumption retention of midterms, that is what Thune does not see happening, he has internal poll numbers that would be dereliction of duty to hit the button.


I'd rather what to see what SCOTUS does with Louisiana vs Callais. If it goes the way many think it will then the worry of Democrats ever regaining power to take advantage of no filibuster is basically non-existent.


The Rs might get 8 seats that way.

The Dems states will simply redraw their maps like Cali is going to do to offset it.

Oh, that's the first thing seen that implies the VRA ruling may be irrelevant even if favorable. So is that what mean?
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Collin's not king is up for reelection
If Ernst was so strong she would t be retiring
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Sq 17 said:

Collin's not king is up for reelection
If Ernst was so strong she would t be retiring

Trump won Iowa by 13.2%. GOP isn't worried about who replaces her.
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Logos Stick said:

Teslag said:

Burpelson said:

Nuke with the assumption retention of midterms, that is what Thune does not see happening, he has internal poll numbers that would be dereliction of duty to hit the button.


I'd rather what to see what SCOTUS does with Louisiana vs Callais. If it goes the way many think it will then the worry of Democrats ever regaining power to take advantage of no filibuster is basically non-existent.


The Rs might get 8 seats that way.

The Dems states will simply redraw their maps like Cali is going to do to offset it.


The high estimation is 19 for the GOP. Reason being is without protections for minority districts in red state you not only get rid of reliably democrat black congressmen, but you also don't have to get creative with redistricting to work around them. It's much easier to make strong reliably red districts when you can freely draw lines wherever you want to.

In regards to democrat redistricting, they are tapped out in a lot of areas, and this ruling wouldn't affect them because they already draw districts to maximize minority turnout.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/08/republicans-scotus-vra-00597212

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Ahead of the court's Oct. 15 rehearing of Louisiana v. Callais a case that has major implications for the VRA two voting rights groups are sounding the alarm, warning that eliminating Section 2, a provision that prohibits racial gerrymandering when it dilutes minority voting power, would let Republicans redraw up to 19 House seats to favor the party and crush minority representation in Congress.

That calculation, made in a new report from Fair Fight Action and Black Voters Matter Fund shared exclusively with POLITICO, would all but guarantee Republican control of Congress.

While a ruling in time for next year's midterms is unlikely, the organizations behind the report said that it's not out of the question. Taken together, the groups identified 27 total seats that Republicans could redistrict in their favor ahead of the midterms 19 of which stem from Section 2 being overturned.

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Gaeilge said:

Sq 17 said:

Collin's not king is up for reelection
If Ernst was so strong she would t be retiring

Trump won Iowa by 13.2%. GOP isn't worried about who replaces her.


I guess she retired " to spend more time with her family "
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Ironically, the Red wave of 1994 where the Rs took the house back for the first time in 40 years RELIED on the VRA to win a few key restricting court battles to break the Solid South voting bloc.

And not so ironic in that it was once again Rs coming to the aid of Blacks to give them a proper voice in government.

Dems HATE Blacks. They are nothing but chattel to the libs.
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Sq 17 said:

Gaeilge said:

Sq 17 said:

Collin's not king is up for reelection
If Ernst was so strong she would t be retiring

Trump won Iowa by 13.2%. GOP isn't worried about who replaces her.


I guess she retired " to spend more time with her family "


Is Depape already up for parole?
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Sq 17 said:

Gaeilge said:

Sq 17 said:

Collin's not king is up for reelection
If Ernst was so strong she would t be retiring

Trump won Iowa by 13.2%. GOP isn't worried about who replaces her.


I guess she retired " to spend more time with her family "

She is not seeking reelection because of the dumbass comments she made over the summer. She was going to get primaried, and Thune told her as much.

Now she gets to bow out 'gracefully' after 12 years of service vs. being bounced like Cornyn.

The seat isn't going blue.
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flown-the-coop said:

Ironically, the Red wave of 1994 where the Rs took the house back for the first time in 40 years RELIED on the VRA to win a few key restricting court battles to break the Solid South voting bloc.

And not so ironic in that it was once again Rs coming to the aid of Blacks to give them a proper voice in government.

Dems HATE Blacks. They are nothing but chattel to the libs.

That use to be true but POC run the democratic party now, headed by Obama.
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5Amp said:

flown-the-coop said:

Ironically, the Red wave of 1994 where the Rs took the house back for the first time in 40 years RELIED on the VRA to win a few key restricting court battles to break the Solid South voting bloc.

And not so ironic in that it was once again Rs coming to the aid of Blacks to give them a proper voice in government.

Dems HATE Blacks. They are nothing but chattel to the libs.

That use to be true but POC run the democratic party now, headed by Obama.


Given Obama's policies and achievements and now him wrecking the Southside with his monolith minaret, I would say Obama hates black people too.
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I wouldn't be so sure about Ohio. Currently polling shows Vivek down a point to Acton. If she pulls off the upset, I bet they take the Senate too.
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That poll was conducted on behalf of the Ohio Federation of Teachers.

Mind the source here. It's the teachers union.
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I'm sure there was an element of push polling there, but Vivek is not a likable guy. If some of the underlying trends there hold for women and independents, it's an issue.
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Im sure the Rs will take ohio
 
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