AgFan1974 said:

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We purchased our first home for $117k in 2002. Was small but it was brand spanking new. Wife stayed home and took care of our new baby boy. I was making about $45k annually and never felt squeezed. We had to be frugal but it was not stressful.

There are Chevy pick-ups that cost more than that sitting on the lot right now. My oldest (24 y/o with solid job) pays twice what we payed on our mortgage for a less than desireable 700 sq/ft apartment.

It is not hard to see why young people fall victim to the flirtacious lashes of Hope.

Something has to give.

Educate your children.

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Uuuummmmmm.......

I thought we were an autonomous collective.

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AgFan1974 said:

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We purchased our first home for $117k in 2002. Was small but it was brand spanking new. Wife stayed home and took care of our new baby boy. I was making about $45k annually and never felt squeezed. We had to be frugal but it was not stressful.

There are Chevy pick-ups that cost more than that sitting on the lot right now. My oldest (24 y/o with solid job) pays twice what we payed on our mortgage for a less than desireable 700 sq/ft apartment.

It is not hard to see why young people fall victim to the flirtacious lashes of Hope.

Something has to give.

Educate your children.

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Uuuummmmmm.......

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My kids are Colombian and know those promises are all bullsh$t.

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TexAgs91 said:

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Diversity is our Downfall

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At least Poland was smart enough to refuse ANY and ALL refugees, admitted proudly to being "racist", and saved themselves from the fate being suffered by the rest of Europe.

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Japan has now taken the same route under their new PM. Coincidentally, both of these countries are the top of my foreign vacations list.

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AgFan1974 said:

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We purchased our first home for $117k in 2002. Was small but it was brand spanking new. Wife stayed home and took care of our new baby boy. I was making about $45k annually and never felt squeezed. We had to be frugal but it was not stressful.

There are Chevy pick-ups that cost more than that sitting on the lot right now. My oldest (24 y/o with solid job) pays twice what we payed on our mortgage for a less than desireable 700 sq/ft apartment.

It is not hard to see why young people fall victim to the flirtacious lashes of Hope.

Something has to give.

Educate your children.

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Uuuummmmmm.......

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Care to elaborate or just gonna make a drive-by?

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AgFan1974 said:

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We purchased our first home for $117k in 2002. Was small but it was brand spanking new. Wife stayed home and took care of our new baby boy. I was making about $45k annually and never felt squeezed. We had to be frugal but it was not stressful.

There are Chevy pick-ups that cost more than that sitting on the lot right now. My oldest (24 y/o with solid job) pays twice what we payed on our mortgage for a less than desireable 700 sq/ft apartment.

It is not hard to see why young people fall victim to the flirtacious lashes of Hope.

Something has to give.

Educate your children.

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Uuuummmmmm.......

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I see Rob has appointed himself to Tanya's (may she rest in peace) old spot as F16 grammar nazi.

AgFan1974 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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AgFan1974 said:

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We purchased our first home for $117k in 2002. Was small but it was brand spanking new. Wife stayed home and took care of our new baby boy. I was making about $45k annually and never felt squeezed. We had to be frugal but it was not stressful.

There are Chevy pick-ups that cost more than that sitting on the lot right now. My oldest (24 y/o with solid job) pays twice what we payed on our mortgage for a less than desireable 700 sq/ft apartment.

It is not hard to see why young people fall victim to the flirtacious lashes of Hope.

Something has to give.

Educate your children.

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Uuuummmmmm.......

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Care to elaborate or just gonna make a drive-by?

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Damn, dude!

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forget since 1970. The majority of muslims have entered the country since 9/11. The absolute suicide of our populace is confounding. You get attacked and your response is to import your attackers by the millions. All while pushing "we have to fight them over there so we dont have to fight them here".

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I literally couldn't believe at the time how far Bush bent over backwards to praise Islam as a religion of peace. It was a massive failure in policy and culture. We had the opportunity to simply end immigration from Muslim majority countries. We had all the justification in the world to do so.

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I thought the magic dirt of America would ensure that these "natural conservatives" from the third world would vote for American values. Or so we've been told for years by the pro immigration GOP.

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The "magic dirt" you refer to is what used to be known as the melting pot outlook, the idea that American ideals and practices can be adopted by anyone that is above a half-wit and open to learning it. With no real ceilings on opportunity in theory.

It did work for a considerable time, probably up to this Hart-Cellar act of the LBJ era (ruinous in so many ways) that the dissident right has underscored.

But it no longer does, not least because the cultural traitors that apparently now dominate education and media no longer teach American Exceptionalism, or the path of how the country came to be, always reforming itself, and instead today's worthless crop seeks to lock it in everlasting guilt for a specific set of decades in time.

So unless those two institutions are massively and quickly rebooted, we need to halt immigration for a time and get our bearings back in order.

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TexAgs91 said:

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Diversity is our Downfall

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At least Poland was smart enough to refuse ANY and ALL refugees, admitted proudly to being "racist", and saved themselves from the fate being suffered by the rest of Europe.

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Japan has now taken the same route under their new PM. Coincidentally, both of these countries are the top of my foreign vacations list.

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Japan is at the top of my list too. My 20 year old is hopeful to meet a wife over there.

My grandfather would roll over in his grave if he thought I was going to tour Japan for anything other than an invasion to kick some Jap ass.

Demographics are destiny

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AgFan1974 said:

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We purchased our first home for $117k in 2002. Was small but it was brand spanking new. Wife stayed home and took care of our new baby boy. I was making about $45k annually and never felt squeezed. We had to be frugal but it was not stressful.

There are Chevy pick-ups that cost more than that sitting on the lot right now. My oldest (24 y/o with solid job) pays twice what we payed on our mortgage for a less than desireable 700 sq/ft apartment.

It is not hard to see why young people fall victim to the flirtacious lashes of Hope.

Something has to give.

Educate your children.

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Uuuummmmmm.......

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Care to elaborate or just gonna make a drive-by?

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Damn, dude!

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Calling people out on a forum for their grammar is silly. Some are ignorant, some are not. Gonna stand firm on that one. Mine sucks and in this format I'm ok with it. Unless someone is being a smart-ass, let it ride...

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My grandfather would roll over in his grave if he thought I was going to tour Japan for anything other than an invasion to kick some Jap ass.

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Same

And if he knew that I've been to Tokyo at least 10 times and liked it...

I gotta be honest, I was a little apprehensive the first time I went.

Well, no more terrorists attacks in NYC?

People don't tend to bomb their own house.

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Probably too late for enough of the country to wise up to the fact that immigration since 1970 has not been a good thing for this country. At all.

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I say this as someone with Asian in-laws who came here in the late 1970's to finish their advanced degrees in Lubbock, and a wife and child as a result, who I would both die and kill for. You are not wrong. There are many exceptions, like these good people in my family, who pay their taxes, assimilated, and never asked for a single thing...in fact, they are Catholic and GIVE on top of paying taxes. They have always bent over backwards to be super respectful and appreciative of American culture and norms.

But unfortunately, far too many are not like them. You are right...our immigration policies, even with legal immigration, since the 1970's are largely what got us here.

I still maintain tho, that white liberal women 18-45, are by far the greatest threat to western civilization. If they weren't absolute psychotic idiots, hellbent on showcasing their fake hyper-empathy for virtue signaling for hollow soul satisfying purposes, we aren't even having this discussion. But you are not wrong.

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These white lib women were caged in and could cause little damage earlier. With social media their bull crap is spread everywhere and is ruining other countries also.

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King of the Dairy Queen said:

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forget since 1970. The majority of muslims have entered the country since 9/11. The absolute suicide of our populace is confounding. You get attacked and your response is to import your attackers by the millions. All while pushing "we have to fight them over there so we dont have to fight them here".

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I literally couldn't believe at the time how far Bush bent over backwards to praise Islam as a religion of peace. It was a massive failure in policy and culture. We had the opportunity to simply end immigration from Muslim majority countries. We had all the justification in the world to do so.

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Bush was a stupid idiot. Why did we elect this fool? I confess, I did as well.

Republicans are no better or worse than Dems. They are all alike. Trump is different (I think).

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I just got "these are the immigrants we all want" in another thread.

ha ha the level of dunderheadness is mindboggling.

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There is a YUGE difference between moronic Momdani and the Indian military chick you whined about. Speaking of "dunderheadedness".

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No, there is not. This is where it starts. The military chick could be a foreign agent. What if Mohammed from Pakistan became the Chief of Army Staff of the US Army? The military chick by herself seems harmless, but I think Mohammad is just 1 trip to Arabia away from going nuts and jihadi on everyone.

Only we are stupid enough to outsource everything and think we are being clever.

PS: Looks like you are the new grammar Nazi here, I know very well that "dunderheadness" is not a word, I was just using it loosely. Don't hate me.

MANDAMI = MADMAN!

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I'm certainly in the minority but I think it's hilarious that NYC elected this moron for Mayor.

Note - I'm not celebrating it in a diversity is our strength way
I'm laughing about it in a - look how stupid NYC is way.

We had problems when I lived in Los Angeles but even the Angelenos weren't this dumb.

This election really makes you question who is actually voting.

Should we re-institute some sort of test at the polls to be allowed to vote?

A Gold Star ID requirement would probably stop half of the NYC voters in their tracks.

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I'm a minority for once!

Gotta let people eat the cake they make. Don't sabotage him. He will sabotage himself. They will manufacture a reason to arrest him when things get bad enough. He will be forced out of office and replaced with a centrist who will do their best to clean up the mess.

Let them eat cake.

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This is interesting but I would flip your progression with the bold. The collectivism and purging began in the young USSR and early middle age one. They all but led with the bold, especially after the royal family was murdered and the Russian Civil War went on. It is the older USSR that vaguely started to mellow even as it was also collapsing. The "restructuring" was genuine, it just failed, or was outrun by events.

Now to your forecast --- I think lasting till 2150 is waaay too bold. We won't have reason to stay together in less than two generations unless there is a really strong reset from the top and a complete makeover of academia and media. Its still in suspense where 44 BC. or 440 AD is where we are at in the big power cycle, but with one major exception most indicators point to 440s AD -- Later Rome, as you also say "latter stages".

The big exception? The run away Progressive socialism drive now mixed with Islamist ---- this has our near future looking like almost totally non-taught in schools 1940s-50's China. Maos era.

So what hoping for is we have a breakup like the Roman Empire where a portion preserving its achievements survives as as super-Singapore business friendly to have the sheer prowess and grit to endure on its own for many more decades.

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I'm reading this without looking at who posted it and I tell myself, "That sounds like Titan.", and sure enough, it is.

Not sure if that is a good or a bad thing, lol.

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I thought the magic dirt of America would ensure that these "natural conservatives" from the third world would vote for American values. Or so we've been told for years by the pro immigration GOP.

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Hey not every legal immigrant votes for these clowns.
I do agree, that a huge component of legal immigration should have been understanding the Bill of Rights, capitalism and what it means to be American.

That ship has sailed

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When you are at the ultimate impasse and no debate or conversation is even feasible.

In order to avoid eventual violence on a massive scale, we need to seriously start pushing to peacefully break up the union. Large organizations have to restructure all the time. Why can't a rapidly decaying country comprised of two very large groups of people who despise each other?

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Because there's no realistic way to cut the baby in two ala King Solomon. You can't let Austin, San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas join USA-D and put the rest of Texas into USA-R.

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You could still have a coalition of majority conservative states who aren't nearly as far down the road to ruin as the blue ones...even if they have blue urban centers. And many liberals would actually self-migrate if we were to actually bust up the union, imo.

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I thought the magic dirt of America would ensure that these "natural conservatives" from the third world would vote for American values. Or so we've been told for years by the pro immigration GOP.

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Hey not every legal immigrant votes for these clowns.
I do agree, that a huge component of legal immigration should have been understanding the Bill of Rights, capitalism and what it means to be American.

That ship has sailed

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I mean no disrespect whatsoever, and you are one of my fav posters, and my wife is brown...BUT...i like to think any Indian or East Asian person could relate to me if they grew up in a city that looked one way demographically...and saw it change dramatically over the course of a few decades...into a completely different looking place. I texted my buddies this on the way to work, stuck in 610 traffic the other morning. I was looking around and just noticed everyone around me was brown (black, latino or Asian). I then counted cars until I saw one with a white person and I think I remember it being like 12 or 13. That is CRAZY.

Like, why do I have to look around on the clogged freeways and hardly see any fellow white people and be happy about that? Would Koreans be "racist" or "intolerant" if they did not want to become minority Asians in Seoul? Why is it "bad" to prefer the way the things were before. When we all had more in common and there weren't all of these cultural and language barriers?

It may seem petty, but I am sure plenty of Indians in Mumbai would vent if, over the course of 20 years, they started to become a tiny minority and fewer and fewer people spoke the native language or wanted to assimilate.

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Diversity is our Downfall

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At least Poland was smart enough to refuse ANY and ALL refugees, admitted proudly to being "racist", and saved themselves from the fate being suffered by the rest of Europe.

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They have the most beautiful women in the world…best to not **** with those genetics!

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Zohran: "This movement was made by Yemeni bodega owners, Mexica Abuelas, Senegalese taxi drivers, Uzbek nurses, Trinidadian line cooks, and Ethiopian aunties." pic.twitter.com/0Z4ESavqPD

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) November 5, 2025

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This was about the most anti-white speech I think I have ever seen. Good Lord white liberals are idiots.

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And the white liberals love it and are celebrating it. There's a clip floating around of podcaster Jennifer Welch (epitome of the white liberal 'boss girl' stereotype) at a party last night saying crusty white people need to get with the program and embrace all this diversity and "culture".

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We're not a democracy.

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Beat me to it!

All countries nobody wants to live in, nor every move to....great job New York.

Normal people would ask themselves why are all these people leaving their crappy countries, to join the great USA? And why the hell would I vote to support the very reasons why they left?

Answer: we have a lot of really dumb people.

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I'm certainly in the minority but I think it's hilarious that NYC elected this moron for Mayor.

Note - I'm not celebrating it in a diversity is our strength way
I'm laughing about it in a - look how stupid NYC is way.

We had problems when I lived in Los Angeles but even the Angelenos weren't this dumb.

This election really makes you question who is actually voting.

Should we re-institute some sort of test at the polls to be allowed to vote?

A Gold Star ID requirement would probably stop half of the NYC voters in their tracks.

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We absolutely 100% should.

We should also disallow political parties and instead people have to actually listen to candidates and vote on their merits and not whatever letter is right after or right before their name.

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I keep warning about this and get blowback and hate in return. Now watch the country burn.

It is sad that many on this board either hate America or are self-loathing.

I am shocked that so many are okay with foreigners flooding into our armed forces. What if a Muslim from Arabia became General?

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#1 - officers have to be US citizens so they wouldn't be a "foreigner"
#2 - all general officer promotions have to be confirmed by Congress. I don't think Congress would confirm an officer like that today but who knows in 10-20 years.

Trump and the Senate need to purge, and effectively promote, the field officer corps over the next 3 years. Today's majors and lt colonels are going to be the general officers in 10-15 years.

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AgFan1974 said:

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We purchased our first home for $117k in 2002. Was small but it was brand spanking new. Wife stayed home and took care of our new baby boy. I was making about $45k annually and never felt squeezed. We had to be frugal but it was not stressful.

There are Chevy pick-ups that cost more than that sitting on the lot right now. My oldest (24 y/o with solid job) pays twice what we payed on our mortgage for a less than desireable 700 sq/ft apartment.

It is not hard to see why young people fall victim to the flirtacious lashes of Hope.

Something has to give.

Educate your children.

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Ha!

Well done.

Man. What city? For all the talk about being blue metroplex is not like that. Certain neighborhoods perhaps, but the highways and all about. No.

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Man. What city? For all the talk about being blue metroplex is not like that. Certain neighborhoods perhaps, but the highways and all about. No.

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Sorry, meant to mention Houston. Anyone who lives here, next time you are stuck in traffic on any major artery...look around....then try to remember how the city used to be.