From the sound of it, being an astronaut isn't as hard as navigating the selection process to become an astronaut. A lot like a colonoscopy. The procedure doesn't suck near as much as the preparation.
Sen. Mark Kelly
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It's not a legal case.
aggiehawg said:
Depends on what Kelly does. He can get this off of the front page, or fuel the fire.
I had a good friend who was one of the preeminent criminal lawyers in Austin. He often said to just lay low and let any case age like wine. The longer a case just doesn't get attention, the easier it is to ultimately fight.
But Kelly will likely ignore any legal advice to STFU because he's an elected official and politics rules his view of the world. To paraphrase Ron White, Kelly has, "the right to remain silent but lacks the ability."
I find it very unlikely that Kelly would want to 'get this off the front page'. This was a politically calculated move on the chess board after probably at least several weeks of calculated planning and thought. The deliberate intention was to stir the political pot.
This isn't like something that was secretly recorded and unintentionally got out and surprised Kelly so now he is damage control mode. It was a calculated move and my guess is their hope is the bigger the political circus this becomes the better, as then the bigger a political platform it becomes. Now, maybe they misjudge how the politics plays out but certainly they don't yet want this topic to just die down.
Thanks for bringing up Rick. I wrote and then deleted a response before hitting Post that included Rick as a good christian man. I know most of the sardines and subsequent astronauts, some are good friends, most are acquaintances.FireAg said:
Rick Husband was a good guy…Charlie Hobaugh was funny as hell when I worked with him…if you like a dry sense of humor…
I knew several good ones…Mark ain't one of them…
Suni Williams inspires me. Long time ago I was in a meeting briefing her on an emergency scenario that would require unplugging their suit. She took it in stride and corrected me, adamant that they wouldn't be committing suicide but would be saving their crew mates.
But for every selfless astronaut there is another who is self absorbed. One even speaks in the 3rd person frequently.
For every good Christian there is a womanizing ******** and for every kind heart there is a *****.
My interactions with Mark have been exclusively negative and matched the reputation you and others have referred to. His brother Scott has a nearly identical reputation but my last interaction with him before he retired was actually not awful. He wasn't funny or warm, just not the ass he had been every other time I worked with him.
ETFan said:Psycho Bunny said:
Senator Mark Kelly in hot water after making the ICE video. I hope the rest of the dems in the video, get slapped around. They are nothing but traitors to our country.
Kelly has more patriotism in his left pinky toe than 99% of this board or the entire Trump family (who never served).
This entire thing is a massive, embarrassing joke for Trump.
This will go the way of Comey if they peruse it.
Trump is serving as the President of the United States of America. That is pretty big patriotism dude and what he has been through is way more than what Kelly has been through, he has also done more good in his left pinky toe than Kelly has his entire career
So yeah you are wrong and probably wrong 99% of the time on here
lb3 said:Its not the words Kelly said that will get him in trouble, it's the context of his words juxtaposed against a Trump sound bite implying that Trump's orders are illegal.Burpelson said:
In essence the J.A.G. will have to find CAPT Kelly guilty of reading off the UCMJ as a P.S.A., this should get interesting.
Swalwell helped the cases against these dolts with his comments. Slotkin's have also trended this way.
the "we are not telling them to disobey orders, just that maybe they should question orders by contacting their local JAG.
It is very interesting that Slotkin referenced A Few Good Men. Because they come across more like Col Jessups and less like the patriots they think they are.
It seems that there is a move afoot per Swalwells own words that 'code reds" are being encouraged for the enlisted men to defy orders of the command.
Let's got back to the Vindman boys. The impeachment hoax one decided he knew international policy better than Trump and decided the phone call contained illegal orders to withhold funding and tried to topple POTUS.
Kelly is getting court martialed and he will receive punishment. He deserves it. Slotkin is probably much more exposed as the organizer. She also seems moderately dumb (she is a democrat) and has a weird neck of wickedness. And she likely left breadcrumbs that the follow-up cover-up birds are not going to be along to erase her tracks.
American Hero Mark Kelly passing the hat over his seditious statements:
flown-the-coop said:
American Hero Mark Kelly passing the hat over his seditious statements:
Looks like this is going to be commonplace now:
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In a series of messages on Thursday night and Friday morning, Trump appealed to his supporters by declaring the indictment an attack by "the Deep State" on the "forgotten, hardworking men and women of this country", and asking them to donate to his campaign.
"Please make a contribution to peacefully DEFEND our movement from the never-ending witch hunts and together, even during these darkest of times, we will prove that our movement is truly UNBREAKABLE," said in one email Trump sent to supporters on Friday morning.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Serious question, why is MK asking for money? What does he need it for exactly?
Some key differences you spun on.
Trump was actually indicted for fabricated crimes arising from normal business operations and normal contesting of elections.
Kelly made seditious statements that can only be described as a soft coup and now wants to fundraiser off his illegal activities.
One is righteous, one is sleaze.
Trump was actually indicted for fabricated crimes arising from normal business operations and normal contesting of elections.
Kelly made seditious statements that can only be described as a soft coup and now wants to fundraiser off his illegal activities.
One is righteous, one is sleaze.
For the unspoken legal fees associated with his unspoken sedition.
flown-the-coop said:
Some key differences you spun on.
Trump was actually indicted for fabricated crimes arising from normal business operations and normal contesting of elections.
Kelly made seditious statements that can only be described as a soft coup and now wants to fundraiser off his illegal activities.
One is righteous, one is sleaze.
Both want/got money from voters.
Each side's person is righteous and the other a sleaze. Politics 101.
Each side's person uses the same method to get money from their supporters. That's now going to be politics 101.
That was the purpose of my post. I don't see what wording I used that would indicate spin.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
No Spin Ag said:flown-the-coop said:
Some key differences you spun on.
Trump was actually indicted for fabricated crimes arising from normal business operations and normal contesting of elections.
Kelly made seditious statements that can only be described as a soft coup and now wants to fundraiser off his illegal activities.
One is righteous, one is sleaze.
Both want/got money from voters.
Each side's person is righteous and the other a sleaze. Politics 101.
Each side's person uses the same method to get money from their supporters. That's now going to be politics 101.
That was the purpose of my post. I don't see what wording I used that would indicate spin.
Fair enough, though I think there is distinction.
But I do find it humorous that Dems continue to want to be more and more like Trump as they continue to hate Trump with a bizarre fascination, worship of his style.
At least Kelly didn't say he was helping to feed the homeless with his fundraising. That is best left to AOC it seems.
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Kelly made seditious statements that can only be described as a soft coup and now wants to fundraiser off his illegal activities.
Jan 6 says "pot meet kettle" if that is your take.
One event was as stupid as the other. Both parties stir the pot for money.
flown-the-coop said:No Spin Ag said:flown-the-coop said:
Some key differences you spun on.
Trump was actually indicted for fabricated crimes arising from normal business operations and normal contesting of elections.
Kelly made seditious statements that can only be described as a soft coup and now wants to fundraiser off his illegal activities.
One is righteous, one is sleaze.
Both want/got money from voters.
Each side's person is righteous and the other a sleaze. Politics 101.
Each side's person uses the same method to get money from their supporters. That's now going to be politics 101.
That was the purpose of my post. I don't see what wording I used that would indicate spin.
Fair enough, though I think there is distinction.
But I do find it humorous that Dems continue to want to be more and more like Trump as they continue to hate Trump with a bizarre fascination, worship of his style.
At least Kelly didn't say he was helping to feed the homeless with his fundraising. That is best left to AOC it seems.
There is a distinction, no doubt.
Hate for the other side is a crazy thing. I should know, I used to be that way until I realized life was too short to live that way. Sadly, I don't see many of them going the route I did.
As for ACO, yeah, she's definitely something special, and not in a good way.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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FIDO_Ags said:Quote:
Kelly made seditious statements that can only be described as a soft coup and now wants to fundraiser off his illegal activities.
Jan 6 says "pot meet kettle" if that is your take.
One event was as stupid as the other. Both parties stir the pot for money.
You must have watched the BBC documentary on Jan 6th.
What a tool
No, I watched it while it was happening and have never watched another show about it.
FIDO_Ags said:
No, I watched it while it was happening and have never watched another show about it.
So the live Rachel Maddow version., Got it. Carry on.
Jan 6th was a protest that was instigated into a riot and media manipulated to try and turn it into an insurrection.
This was a CIA like soft coup sowing dissension through the entirety of our armed services.
One is clearly more dangerous to our Country than the other. It's not even in the same hemisphere. But we can discuss that on another thread. In the meantime, these traitors should swing from the gallows held in Liz Cheney's Jan 6th museum.
lb3 said:Thanks for bringing up Rick. I wrote and then deleted a response before hitting Post that included Rick as a good christian man. I know most of the sardines and subsequent astronauts, some are good friends, most are acquaintances.FireAg said:
Rick Husband was a good guy…Charlie Hobaugh was funny as hell when I worked with him…if you like a dry sense of humor…
I knew several good ones…Mark ain't one of them…
Suni Williams inspires me. Long time ago I was in a meeting briefing her on an emergency scenario that would require unplugging their suit. She took it in stride and corrected me, adamant that they wouldn't be committing suicide but would be saving their crew mates.
But for every selfless astronaut there is another who is self absorbed. One even speaks in the 3rd person frequently.
For every good Christian there is a womanizing ******** and for every kind heart there is a *****.
My interactions with Mark have been exclusively negative and matched the reputation you and others have referred to. His brother Scott has a nearly identical reputation but my last interaction with him before he retired was actually not awful. He wasn't funny or warm, just not the ass he had been every other time I worked with him.
My interactions with Scott were always positive…for Mark, it was the exact opposite…
I did a ton of very close work with Mike Gernhardt…he was always nice to me…but I have seen him be handful with others…I was very close to Laurel Clark and worked with Jon when he was in the Flight Surgeon office…
Dave Brown was a goof…loved working with him…never took himself too seriously and was always very considerate of those around him…
Worked well with Tom Marshburn and Mike Barrett when they were flight surgeons before they moved over to the astronaut office…they were always good guys to work with…
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Jan 6 says "pot meet kettle" if that is your take.
What does a government setup with extremely egregious prosecutions, denial of due process, and an unarmed woman gunned down in cold blood have to do with a legislator calling for sedition against the duly elected Commander in Chief?
aggieforester05 said:richardag said:aggieforester05 said:richardag said:aggieforester05 said:HTownAg98 said:aggiehawg said:
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Oh noes! Scheduling interviews where the people they want to interview can (and should) tell the FBI to go pound sand.
The only way they can get out of this is to lie to the FBI about their intent, which is also a crime. That's what they'll do, because Democrats are pathological liars with no ethical boundaries.
They also know they only need one left wing juror to get them out of any felony and since all of these cases will be tried in urban liberal enclaves, they can do whatever they want with impunity. Hopefully this at least has severe personal financial consequences.
CourtMarshalsMaritalsMartials have juries?
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The FBI scheduling interviews with these seditionists has nothing to do with a potential court-martial for Kelly.
I wasn't referring to the FBI potential interviews(see what I made bold fonts above).
Well we were talking about the FBI interviews and therefore federal crimes. I don't know if USCMJ even has a felony designation or juries, but that isn't what I was referring to in the highlighted text.
I understand, but the thread topic was the possibility that Mark Kelly would be recalled for a potential court martial.
quote from the Official Statement from the Dept. of War cited in the OP.
- which may include recall to active duty for court-martial proceedings or administrative measures
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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I find it very unlikely that Kelly would want to 'get this off the front page'. This was a politically calculated move on the chess board after probably at least several weeks of calculated planning and thought. The deliberate intention was to stir the political pot.
This isn't like something that was secretly recorded and unintentionally got out and surprised Kelly so now he is damage control mode. It was a calculated move and my guess is their hope is the bigger the political circus this becomes the better, as then the bigger a political platform it becomes. Now, maybe they misjudge how the politics plays out but certainly they don't yet want this topic to just die down.
Maybe. But I think like a lawyer, since I am a retired one. From a legal aspect it would be better for him, in particular to take a step back as he has more exposure given the UCMJ aspect.
Mark Kelly has shown zero ability to control his emotions and rhetoric. He is making decisions on his ego and his poll advisers and not the advice of counsel. May he continue to follow this path.
aggiehawg said:Quote:
I find it very unlikely that Kelly would want to 'get this off the front page'. This was a politically calculated move on the chess board after probably at least several weeks of calculated planning and thought. The deliberate intention was to stir the political pot.
This isn't like something that was secretly recorded and unintentionally got out and surprised Kelly so now he is damage control mode. It was a calculated move and my guess is their hope is the bigger the political circus this becomes the better, as then the bigger a political platform it becomes. Now, maybe they misjudge how the politics plays out but certainly they don't yet want this topic to just die down.
Maybe. But I think like a lawyer, since I am a retired one. From a legal aspect it would be better for him, in particular to take a step back as he has more exposure given the UCMJ aspect.
This likely wouldn't even make it thru Article 32 hearing and even if it did, a judge is going to throw it out due to "undue command influence."
Phelan knows this case is a loser…
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Rocky Rider said:Burpelson said:
In essence the J.A.G. will have to find CAPT Kelly guilty of reading off the UCMJ as a P.S.A., this should get interesting.
I don't disagree with you, but the video delivered a message encouraging insurrection within the military.
Comey delivered a message in a similar slimy, weak manner with the "8647" picture and unbelievable explanation.
The libs and their puppet masters realize their situation on several fronts is grim and are preparing their team for a civil war. Just what Soros wants.
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Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
I spent 40 hours training Laurel over the years, her son Iain is 2 years older than my daughter and we talked a lot about each of their science fair projects. She seemed to stay positive and balanced being a mom better than most.FireAg said:lb3 said:Thanks for bringing up Rick. I wrote and then deleted a response before hitting Post that included Rick as a good christian man. I know most of the sardines and subsequent astronauts, some are good friends, most are acquaintances.FireAg said:
Rick Husband was a good guy…Charlie Hobaugh was funny as hell when I worked with him…if you like a dry sense of humor…
I knew several good ones…Mark ain't one of them…
Suni Williams inspires me. Long time ago I was in a meeting briefing her on an emergency scenario that would require unplugging their suit. She took it in stride and corrected me, adamant that they wouldn't be committing suicide but would be saving their crew mates.
But for every selfless astronaut there is another who is self absorbed. One even speaks in the 3rd person frequently.
For every good Christian there is a womanizing ******** and for every kind heart there is a *****.
My interactions with Mark have been exclusively negative and matched the reputation you and others have referred to. His brother Scott has a nearly identical reputation but my last interaction with him before he retired was actually not awful. He wasn't funny or warm, just not the ass he had been every other time I worked with him.
My interactions with Scott were always positive…for Mark, it was the exact opposite…
I did a ton of very close work with Mike Gernhardt…he was always nice to me…but I have seen him be handful with others…I was very close to Laurel Clark and worked with Jon when he was in the Flight Surgeon office…
Dave Brown was a goof…loved working with him…never took himself too seriously and was always very considerate of those around him…
Worked well with Tom Marshburn and Mike Barrett when they were flight surgeons before they moved over to the astronaut office…they were always good guys to work with…
My PI got his funding through NIH and undersold the crew time required for his experiment. When Laurel and KC couldn't complete the procedures in time, he went through NIH and NASA HQ to get Laurel and KC removed from STS-107 when he could have just walked across the street and worked it out with the crew office. In retaliation Rick and Dave teamed up to try to remove my payload from the mission during a timeline training debrief.
I knew the backstory and took my public flogging like a good little soldier. I approached Rick after the meeting and he gave me a sly smile as if to say it was nothing personal and then handed me a mission patch before we were interrupted. Below is a pic of him and Laurel. I like to think he took that photo for me. That red luerlock cap was somehow floating in our payload and Rick fished it out and has that same sly smile basically saying you owe me one.
I did a lot of DCS analysis for the commercial crew program and Gernhardt would randomly drop by my desk to discuss some of the novel ways I was presenting my data. He really disliked some of my charts and would tell me every time I presented them but he also used some of my analysis in his subsequent publications so there was some respect there. I never could recreate his PhD dissertation so I think he either rushed the publication or hid the secret sauce for his bubble growth model.
I didn't work much with Marshburn but Barratt is almost like a big brother or father figure for me. He helped me with my forensics investigation when my daughter was beaten to death and flew a memento commemorating her on his last flight.
I can probably discuss interactions I've had with all the astronauts over the past 25+ years, even those I haven't worked with. For example, I've never worked directly with Victor Glover who will be circling the moon in the spring, but he joined a group of 3 or 4 of my coworkers for happy hour a few years ago and agreed to participate in a 100 day fitness challenge with us as a New Year's resolution.
So to those who think we're just a bunch of forum idiots badmouthing astronauts, we're not. We're badmouthing Mark Kelly. Aggies probably make up over 10% of the JSC engineering and ops workforce so there are a lot of us that know Mark personally. He's not a good person.
Has the "honorable" Senator from AZ expressed his condolences for the loss of these service members yet?
ETA: Well, I be. He did.
ETA: Well, I be. He did.
This is horrific. I'm thinking of the families of these two National Guard members who lost their lives while serving the day before Thanksgiving. Thank you to the first responders who've brought a suspect into custody. https://t.co/iFhevLufbm
— Senator Mark Kelly (@SenMarkKelly) November 26, 2025
It rings a bit hollow… his condolences and all.
Particularly as others have described what a terrible dude this guy is.
Particularly as others have described what a terrible dude this guy is.
aggiehawg said:
Has the SEDITIONIST from AZ expressed his condolences for the loss of these service members yet?
ETA: Well, I be. He did.This is horrific. I'm thinking of the families of these two National Guard members who lost their lives while serving the day before Thanksgiving. Thank you to the first responders who've brought a suspect into custody. https://t.co/iFhevLufbm
— Senator Mark Kelly (@SenMarkKelly) November 26, 2025
FIFY
Pumpkinhead said:
This post was classsic TexAgs message boarding.
"Somebody was a NASA astronaut? Meh. Probably just an arrogant loser. I have met N of them personally so you can trust my message board credentials. Mostly arrogant losers."
Read back further for the proper context before rolling out ad hominem comments. Those were not my words.
ETFan implied prior service + astronaut = patriot. I clarified that IMO, ego was a larger driver. It was not an indictment of the entire astronaut corps.
People asked for context, and I provided it. And this is why I dialed back the digression on anecdotal evidence on why human payloads can be problematic.
Edit for spelling
You brought great context to the thread as did a couple others. It helps to pierce the veil that someone like Mark Kelly is an American hero not by the totality of gus actions, but by a carefully scripted narrative people have bought into.
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