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BURN DOWN THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION BECAUSE OF THIS!!!!!!!

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Wrong, it has already been burned down. Now it is time stop the bleeding so the BSA can heal. So far we have girls in Boy Scouts , scout masters allowing/approving/accepting DEI nonsense, and Women leaders teaching young men they can have babies. Do you think a boy can join Heritage Girls? Nope and nor should they.

Get the "Woke" out of BSA!

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Thirty-Six Percent of College-Educated White Liberal Women Believe Men Can Get Pregnant by Glenn T. Stanton | September 8, 2022 | Culture

What are the odds that out of the 36% that one woman is a Boy Scout Leader? How many liberal woman are there?


It is clear that your circumstances have influenced your opinion about the Not Boy Scouts. Yes you are part of the problem, but who can blame you for the convenience in the major changes over the past 10 years. Now you can attend one meeting vs. having to be involved in two.

It isn't a combined troop. As previously stated.

But keep trolling.

Girls have formally been allowed in Scouting since 1971. In 1988 they officially welcomed to join the OA.

That's not even considering leadership. Den Mothers date back to the 30s. Just what version or time period to you want today's Scouting to emulate?

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Again I invite you to show me something that was presented to scouts saying morally straight refers to sexuality.


If this was such a well known fact it would be addressed in the handbook right?

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I don't know if you're playing the fool, or actually are one.

Your entire argument is that in a time when homosexuality was referred to as "the love that dare not speak its name", that a publication for young boys would.....speak it.

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Girls have formally been allowed in Scouting since 1971. In 1988 they officially welcomed to join the OA.

That's not even considering leadership. Den Mothers date back to the 30s. Just what version or time period to you want today's Scouting to emulate?

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Corrections to your post -
Girls allowed into explorer posts in 1969 as associate members
girls allowed into explorer posts in 1971 as full members

Girls were allowed into venture programs and sea scouts in 1971 and the program was introduced as a coed program.

Women leaders were allowed in the Boy Scouts in 1988
women leaders were allowed to join the oa in1988 - youth girls were allowed to join in 2019.

Girls were allowed to join cub scouts in 2018 and Boy Scouts in 2019

correct that den mothers date back to the 1930 but they were assistants to the den chief (male) until 1967
in 1967 women could then lead a den
in 1976 women could be cub masters
in 1988 women could be weblos leaders and any role in cub scouts

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Again I invite you to show me something that was presented to scouts saying morally straight refers to sexuality.


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I don't know if you're playing the fool, or actually are one.

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Pick a different year then. Any of the past 115 years and show me where Scouts are taught that morally straight refers to being straight from a sexuality standpoint.

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I don't know if you're playing the fool, or actually are one.

Your entire argument is that in a time when homosexuality was referred to as "the love that dare not speak its name", that a publication for young boys would.....speak it.

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Pick a different year then. Any of the past 115 years and show me where Scouts are taught that morally straight refers to being straight from a sexuality standpoint.

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Every edition of the Boy Scout Handbook at least throuhh the 9th edition published on 1979 referred to "morally straight" as encompassing chastity and keeping sexual behavior within the bounds of marriage. It was discussed under the headings of family life and community life. Though the Handbook did not talk specifically about sexual activity it directed boys to seek the guidance of their parents and religious clergy. In other words, heterosexual behavior was assumed and it was reserved for marriage.

The APA DSM IV changed the categorization of homosexuality in the early 1970s but the position of the BSA was not modified and remained pretty much the same as it had been since 1912. Contrary to the postmodern stance that even deviant sexual practices should be discussed with youth, the BSA didn't cave to that pressure until the 21st century, after which the moral collapse of the institution was pretty quick.

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I think this move will be very popular on the F16. Another "owning the libs." And "we need a warrior who will fight wokeness." And "Eagle Scout meant a little 30 years ago, but now it means nothing and probably worse than nothing."

Of course the weird thing is that women actually serve in the military. So it's kind of odd that having girls in Scouts would be seen as anti-military. But clearly this MAGA movement is anti- women in the military I think.

https://www.npr.org/2025/11/25/nx-s1-5615164/pentagon-scouting-hegseth-cut-ties

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I pulled my son out years ago when they went all in on homosexual scoutmasters. I'm sure you cheerleaded the queer inclusion.

U90 answered you well.

I am amazed at your ability to dance around the question, so let me be blunt.

For most of the existance of the Scouts, homosexuuality was considered to be peverted, sinful, and immoral. For many, it still is.

No American in 1928 would have conssidered homosexuality as "Morally Straight." Not even most homosexuals.

Iused Google to try to see where you were coming from. It appears your version appeared inthe1970s, likely as partof the gay rights movement.

Revisionist history, in other words.

Time to goback under your bridge

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eliminate increases in pay grade for Eagle Scouts who enlist in the military."

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That seems pretty reasonable.

Helping Dad install a bench at the neighborhood park shouldn't have anything to do with military pay.

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My personal experience forces me to agree with this sentiment...

My nephew, the son of a single mother who decided early in her life to join the LDS Church, (her family is Methodist), was a part of the local scout troop. I was grateful for this as the Mormon dads tried as much as they could to fill in for an absent father.

Fast forward to Eagle scout project... My nephew's project was building a Tough-Shed style out-building for a local church. On the day of the project, my wife and I loaded the truck with construction tools, and joined the group. As the day went on, it became apparent that the dads were working together to build the shed, the mom's were putting lunch together, and most, if not all of the boys - including my nephew - were huddled in a group chatting and on their phones as the shed was being built.

As it was not my troop and I was a guest, I took mental note, but kept my mouth shut.

Later, after the Eagle badge was earned and my nephew had graduated from high school, I pulled some strings with a car repair shop owner friend to get my nephew a summer internship at the shop, as he was interested at the time in car repair as a career. To my dismay, the owner pulled the plug after three days, saying that my nephew was "not ready" for an internship. When asked why, I was told that my nephew knew nothing about tools - not even the difference between a flat head and a phillips screwdriver.

So, that tells me that the Eagle Scout badge is now nothing more than a (semi) participation trophy, and NOT worthy of additional compensation at the Armed Forces level.

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Both of my boys have been and one continues to be involved in Boy Scouts (I refuse to call it Scouting America). The oldest stopped wanting to go after getting his first class rank as sports and school took over his spare time.

My youngest is still involved and I'm struggling to keep him engaged. The quality of the kids is his biggest concern. He is the current Senior Patrol Leader and he's getting first hand experience dealing with and trying to lead a generation that is lost and has little male guidance. Half the boys in the troop are from homes where they are being parented by single moms. The moms are depending on the scouting org to teach their little boys how to be men.

The only problem is the moms don't want their kids influenced in ways that teach them to be men. They don't understand rough housing and how boys/young men talk to each other and joke with each other in settings where it is just them among other boys/young men. They don't understand manly discipline. They don't understand letting their boys fail and suffer a little to learn somewhat hard lessons now so they have the ability to deal with rougher lessons later. Most use it as a baby sitting service one day a week for meetings and one weekend a month for campouts.

Getting dads willing to put up with the headache and all the DEI rules is also effecting adult leadership.

There is a fair amount of the DEI message that is shoved down their throats but I've been able to talk with my sons about it and how to deal with it. The thing about most of the DEI initiatives is the subject matter is and has been since the beginning addressed by the Scout Oath and Law. If you follow the oath and law like you should, very little of the DEI initiatives even have a purpose other than telling young white heterosexual males that they are oppressors and have to work extra hard to atone for things that they never had anything to do with.

I loved Scouting when I was a boy. I'm trying to stay positive towards it with my son. My hope is it eventually swings back the other direction. The changes that they've made the last dozen years took an organization that was already struggling and made it nose dive twice as fast.

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I've had none of that experience in scouts.

I was a scoutmaster and we were a very small troop so we partnered with another troop for summer camp one year. I gave a ride to a couple of their scouts, and one of them was a recent refugee from Sudan. Just little boy. I marveled at this young kid, having escaped some kind of hell on earth, and here going to summer camp with the Scouts in America. What a great thing.

This is not something MAGA-hardcores like. This is not what Fuentes wants. But this is something that makes America great. The land of opportunity. Land of freedom. No matter your religion, your skin color, how much money you have. You bring your own strength, intellect and character and make a life for yourself in this land.

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I'm glad you had a good experience with that kid from Sudan. It's a nice story.

But I am dismayed that you somehow take that positive story and morph it into a negative judgement on half the country whom you know nothing about - stating as fact what the thoughts are of others whom you don't like. You're so conviced that MAGA is inherently racist and that you are so pure that it concerns me that you would be tempted to pass this flawed worldview onto children under your care.

Actually a great example of the current troubles with BSA. Inserting political ideology into an organization that was not originally political.

I have a picture of my brother and a bunch of other young boys (Rusty, Bryan, Greg, etc.) dressed up in their colorful warpaint at a boy scout meeting at our house.

I think you might be in that picture...

The Bolsheviks are slowly eroding American exceptionalism one organization at a time.