Science Denier said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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So 1/3 of them were required to come in and work day in and day out without pay knowing that 2/3 were sitting at home on a 43 day long vacation. All of whom would receive the exact same back pay within a few days of it all ending.

That sounds like a recipe for excellent morale.

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LOL, they just called in sick. Did you see the airport lines? Oh, and they will get paid. So, not without pay. With deferred pay. Big difference.

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Tell me you didn't finish reading what I wrote without telling me.
" All of whom would receive the exact same back pay within a few days of it all ending."
Want to kill morale, force one group to come in while their not getting paid, give the other group a 6 week vacation, then pay them ALL the same at the end.

Even ignoring the sick outs that system creates serious resentment and will absolutely kill morale

I can envision A I making a huge impact replacing these turds.

army01 said:

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This entire forum.

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It's not the world. It's government waste and taxpayer abuse that should be burned to the ground.

Prime example of the typical left wing media brainwashing.

I bet morale's low. They're being asked to work and even worse, work from the office. Oh the horror!!

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The article said, "to (quiet) quit", which I assume means to just stop doing real work, not really quit.

Which is really what many of them were already doing.

I recently hired a former Federal worker.

It's comical when he wants comp time for working 40.5 hours in a week.

He's adapting.

What is comical about wanting to be compensated for working more than 40 hours a week? I have always said that if a company won't do this they are either too broke or too cheap to treat their folks right (and follow the law). Either way I want nothing to do with a company like that.
If a lawyer meets with a client late on Friday until 6 pm causing the paralegal to stay an hour late he still bills the client his full hourly rate, why shouldn't the paralegal be compensated?

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What is comical about wanting to be compensated for working more than 40 hours a week? I have always said that if a company won't do this they are either too broke or too cheap to treat their folks right (and follow the law). Either way I want nothing to do with a company like that.

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Then you won't work for most companies as an exempt employee. Good luck!

It has worked out great for me so far. It blows my mind that people forget that work is simply a business transaction and allow themselves to get screwed in the deal.

HollywoodBQ said:

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I recently hired a former Federal worker.

It's comical when he wants comp time for working 40.5 hours in a week.

He's adapting.

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Is this your push for wanting an H1B slave working for you?

Working for basically a criminal organization.

It is based on the contract or agreement made when the hiring was done. If you are salary vs hourly and you agree to certain terms like variable hours then that's on you to as a worker to fill your side of the agreement or resign or risk disciplinary action if you do not.

HollywoodBQ said:

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I recently hired a former Federal worker.

It's comical when he wants comp time for working 40.5 hours in a week.

He's adapting.

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I worked in the private sector before going to the state and the level of mediocrity and laziness never ceased to amaze me. When I got into management things changed very quickly. Turnover worried my superiors until, after a little while, they saw productivity exceed other offices.

If only all offices in all agencies worked this way.

Quiet quit? Based on my interactions with the FAA and DCMA - many of them quit years ago.

Absolutely, but in the example I was responding to it sounds like the guy asking for comp time likely because he is entitled to it. I stand by the fact that the company doesn't provide it's services for free, and neither do I. I get that sometimes things happen after hours and need to be addressed. If you are hourly that should absolutely be marked on a timesheet. If you are salary you should be keeping an accurate log of actual hours worked, I guarantee many people put in way more hours than they realize and need to renegotiate their compensation.

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Absolutely, but in the example I was responding to it sounds like the guy asking for comp time likely because he is entitled to it. I stand by the fact that the company doesn't provide it's services for free, and neither do I. I get that sometimes things happen after hours and need to be addressed. If you are hourly that should absolutely be marked on a timesheet. If you are salary you should be keeping an accurate log of actual hours worked, I guarantee many people put in way more hours than they realize and need to renegotiate their compensation.

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Bless your heart.

Do you work for free? I certainly do not.

EFR said:

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Do you work for free? I certainly do not.

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Nope, but I am compensated very well for my extra efforts. But to say someone is entitled to it makes me laugh. You are not entitled to anything.

It's in the contract or it isn't. You can always gamble on your own value and ask, and they can always say yes or no and take the request into consideration in their evaluation of you. That's the way it goes with salary.

We could easily get by with eliminating 3/4 of all levels of Gov Employees in admin roles. DMV - 8 people on lunch break while 2 people working. Having had many dealings with the SEC and FINRA I can tell you where those who graduate last in their law class find employment.

If he is hourly the law disagrees with you.

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If he is hourly the law disagrees with you.

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Well no crap, that is common sense. But we are talking about salary folks, as I took from Hollywoods post you originally commented on. Salary people often times work above and beyond 40 a week and dont get comp time or extra pay.

Hoyt Ag said:

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EFR said:

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Do you work for free? I certainly do not.

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Nope, but I am compensated very well for my extra efforts. But to say someone is entitled to it makes me laugh. You are not entitled to anything.

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Some people are actually literally entitled to it.

Hoyt Ag said:

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If he is hourly the law disagrees with you.

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Well no crap, that is common sense. But we are talking about salary folks, as I took from Hollywoods post you originally commented on. Salary people often times work above and beyond 40 a week and dont get comp time or extra pay.

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Some do some don't. I've works as salary at some places that mandated comp time.

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Science Denier said:

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Science Denier said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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So 1/3 of them were required to come in and work day in and day out without pay knowing that 2/3 were sitting at home on a 43 day long vacation. All of whom would receive the exact same back pay within a few days of it all ending.

That sounds like a recipe for excellent morale.

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LOL, they just called in sick. Did you see the airport lines? Oh, and they will get paid. So, not without pay. With deferred pay. Big difference.

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So use up your limited sick time or work for deferred dollars that others will get for doing nothing?

Yup, sounds like a fantastic way to improve the morale of the IMPORTANT employees.

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I'm sure all 5 of them are fine.

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ICE agents aren't important?
Border Patrol agents aren't important?
Guards at Federal Penitentiaries aren't important?
ICU nurses treating former Aggies at VA's aren't important?
Park Rangers in Yellowstone stopping idiots from jumping in Old Faithful aren't important?

Interesting take.

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Look at these exceptions, not the rule.

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slaughtr said:

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Science Denier said:

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BTKAG97 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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So 1/3 of them were required to come in and work day in and day out without pay knowing that 2/3 were sitting at home on a 43 day long vacation. All of whom would receive the exact same back pay within a few days of it all ending.

That sounds like a recipe for excellent morale.

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LOL, they just called in sick. Did you see the airport lines? Oh, and they will get paid. So, not without pay. With deferred pay. Big difference.

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So use up your limited sick time or work for deferred dollars that others will get for doing nothing?

Yup, sounds like a fantastic way to improve the morale of the IMPORTANT employees.

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I'm sure all 5 of them are fine.

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ICE agents aren't important?
Border Patrol agents aren't important?
Guards at Federal Penitentiaries aren't important?
ICU nurses treating former Aggies at VA's aren't important?
Park Rangers in Yellowstone stopping idiots from jumping in Old Faithful aren't important?

Interesting take.

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Look at these exceptions, not the rule.

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Only 15% of Federal workers work in and around DC. The people I have listed are the rule. Them and the support staff that work in their departments.

infinity ag said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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I recently hired a former Federal worker.

It's comical when he wants comp time for working 40.5 hours in a week.

He's adapting.

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Is this your push for wanting an H1B slave working for you?

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No... I don't hire H-1Bs.

My roles (since 2020) always have a US Citizen requirement.

No Spin Ag said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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I recently hired a former Federal worker.

It's comical when he wants comp time for working 40.5 hours in a week.

He's adapting.

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I worked in the private sector before going to the state and the level of mediocrity and laziness never ceased to amaze me. When I got into management things changed very quickly. Turnover worried my superiors until, after a little while, they saw productivity exceed other offices.

If only all offices in all agencies worked this way.

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Even private sector in many places don't work that way. I saw places where they hired 100 people (many mediocre) to do projects that 10 good smart people would do. But VPs like to have big teams (empire building) because it makes them feel important.

EFR said:

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What is comical about wanting to be compensated for working more than 40 hours a week? I have always said that if a company won't do this they are either too broke or too cheap to treat their folks right (and follow the law). Either way I want nothing to do with a company like that.
If a lawyer meets with a client late on Friday until 6 pm causing the paralegal to stay an hour late he still bills the client his full hourly rate, why shouldn't the paralegal be compensated?

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I'm not talking about a Paralegal.

I'm talking about an Exempt, Salaried employee making over $150k with a very generous PTO policy.

I actually forced (strongly encouraged) him to take a day off before Thanksgiving so he'd show up in my reporting metrics.

I was able to convince him to let the extra 1/2 hour go because I can give him a full day off (or more) anytime he wants/needs it. He is adapting.

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No Spin Ag said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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I recently hired a former Federal worker.

It's comical when he wants comp time for working 40.5 hours in a week.

He's adapting.

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I worked in the private sector before going to the state and the level of mediocrity and laziness never ceased to amaze me. When I got into management things changed very quickly. Turnover worried my superiors until, after a little while, they saw productivity exceed other offices.

If only all offices in all agencies worked this way.

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Even private sector in many places don't work that way. I saw places where they hired 100 people (many mediocre) to do projects that 10 good smart people would do. But VPs like to have big teams (empire building) because it makes them feel important.

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Good point.

On top of that, it justifies their salary because they "run a large group." I thought that (unnecessarily large teams) only happened in the public sector. I guess greed and laziness is all around.

in what other profession can workers brag about not actually working but still getting paid?

"I expect a surge of people to (quiet) quit"

infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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I recently hired a former Federal worker.

It's comical when he wants comp time for working 40.5 hours in a week.

He's adapting.

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I worked in the private sector before going to the state and the level of mediocrity and laziness never ceased to amaze me. When I got into management things changed very quickly. Turnover worried my superiors until, after a little while, they saw productivity exceed other offices.

If only all offices in all agencies worked this way.

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Even private sector in many places don't work that way. I saw places where they hired 100 people (many mediocre) to do projects that 10 good smart people would do. But VPs like to have big teams (empire building) because it makes them feel important.

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I don't know in what magical land some of the people here work, but I spent 25 years in the private sector before spending the last 6 in the Federal workforce. There are just as many lazy, work averse, manipulators of the system, jerks in the private sector as the public sector. In fact, in my very limited, anecdotal experience, more.

Who gives a flying flip about fed govt employee morale… with the exception of the dept of war, law enforcement, etc. we have an over bloated govt full of paper pushers and folks milking a system… I realize that is a general statement but it's another way of telling our fed govt employees "welcome to the real world"… most of us I asssume could loose our job tomorrow with little need for an explanation… meanwhile we got too much job security tied up in fed employees just showing up everyday… if you don't like the environment find a new job… why we put govt employees on a pedestal is beyond me