Farmer Bailout - $12 Billion

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Kansas Kid said:

infinity ag said:

Kansas Kid said:

infinity ag said:

Corn Pop said:

B-1 83 said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Any company that requires bailouts to survive should just be owned by the government.

I know you think this is some sort of intelligent quip, but it shows a total cognitive disconnect about the strategic and economic interests of this country. The current commodity situation is years in the making, and international in scope. Why are you against the preservation of family farms?


Because it's not about family farms anymore. The small family farms have already gone out of business or will be within the next two years. What you'd consider to be large family operations are the ones that pressed it in the nineties and early 2000's and put themselves in position to be raking in $$ while the government bailouts continue and they ride off in the sunset. Most of their children want nothing to do with it, and they will disappear as soon as the dads pass way (10-20 years).

Pull your head out and see the fact the government is using the same strategy they've used in countless other areas. Squeeze until they "have to step in" then it's theirs to oversee. Not too difficult to see what's happening.


Nowadays farms are corporations. And farms are run by CEOs.
And we all know what CEOs do to whatever they run - steal, loot and defraud to make money for themselves while running the business into the ground. A few millions in Government bailout money is most welcome.

I guess you are right in that every family farmer could call himself a CEO so in your warped world view, that make him evil. I assume you think the same thing of every family restaurant owner, car dealership owner, etc. In other words, every business has a CEO so by definition, that makes them evil.

Yes there are many corporate farms but there are also a large number of true family farmers and ranchers who have a goal of running their business into the ground so their kids can't take it over.


Not the family farmer.
I meant when a corporation buys the farm and many farms and runs it like one. They hire a professional CEO who does not care about the product, he just cares about increasing his own salary and bonus. Those are the evil people who ruin every industry.
They don't deserve a bailout. Uncle Jim's farm does.

Clear now?

His original post says farms are corporations with no qualifier. When I look at most family farms in 2025 especially in row crops, they are essentially run like a small corporation with outside help (because the kids are long gone), outsourced harvesting, fertilizer applications, maintenance etc. I have zero issue with this as it has made farming a lot more efficient and kept grain prices low for American and world consumers.

Now that he was called out on his hatred for CEOs applying to his view of farms, he changes his tune.




Who me? I hate bad CEOs, I don't hide that. But changed my tune? No. You are just declaring victory for no reason.

I am against any subsidies for any corporate farms. They don't deserve it and I am sure most of the money goes into the pockets of the C levels of those corporate farms.
By CEO, I don't mean an Uncle Jim who runs his ancestral farm. I mean a career CEO.

I analyze situations by my default position of "CEO? Then he is guilty". Then I look for reasons why he may not be guilty. It is as simple as that.

Clear now?
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infinity ag said:

Kansas Kid said:

infinity ag said:

Kansas Kid said:

infinity ag said:

Corn Pop said:

B-1 83 said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Any company that requires bailouts to survive should just be owned by the government.

I know you think this is some sort of intelligent quip, but it shows a total cognitive disconnect about the strategic and economic interests of this country. The current commodity situation is years in the making, and international in scope. Why are you against the preservation of family farms?


Because it's not about family farms anymore. The small family farms have already gone out of business or will be within the next two years. What you'd consider to be large family operations are the ones that pressed it in the nineties and early 2000's and put themselves in position to be raking in $$ while the government bailouts continue and they ride off in the sunset. Most of their children want nothing to do with it, and they will disappear as soon as the dads pass way (10-20 years).

Pull your head out and see the fact the government is using the same strategy they've used in countless other areas. Squeeze until they "have to step in" then it's theirs to oversee. Not too difficult to see what's happening.


Nowadays farms are corporations. And farms are run by CEOs.
And we all know what CEOs do to whatever they run - steal, loot and defraud to make money for themselves while running the business into the ground. A few millions in Government bailout money is most welcome.

I guess you are right in that every family farmer could call himself a CEO so in your warped world view, that make him evil. I assume you think the same thing of every family restaurant owner, car dealership owner, etc. In other words, every business has a CEO so by definition, that makes them evil.

Yes there are many corporate farms but there are also a large number of true family farmers and ranchers who have a goal of running their business into the ground so their kids can't take it over.


Not the family farmer.
I meant when a corporation buys the farm and many farms and runs it like one. They hire a professional CEO who does not care about the product, he just cares about increasing his own salary and bonus. Those are the evil people who ruin every industry.
They don't deserve a bailout. Uncle Jim's farm does.

Clear now?

His original post says farms are corporations with no qualifier. When I look at most family farms in 2025 especially in row crops, they are essentially run like a small corporation with outside help (because the kids are long gone), outsourced harvesting, fertilizer applications, maintenance etc. I have zero issue with this as it has made farming a lot more efficient and kept grain prices low for American and world consumers.

Now that he was called out on his hatred for CEOs applying to his view of farms, he changes his tune.




Who me? I hate bad CEOs, I don't hide that. But changed my tune? No. You are just declaring victory for no reason.

I am against any subsidies for any corporate farms. They don't deserve it and I am sure most of the money goes into the pockets of the C levels of those corporate farms.
By CEO, I don't mean an Uncle Jim who runs his ancestral farm. I mean a career CEO.

I analyze situations by my default position of "CEO? Then he is guilty". Then I look for reasons why he may not be guilty. It is as simple as that.

Clear now?

No. You can't get beyond the "CEO" label, and how Uncle Jim can be one and why.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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Quad Dog said:

Who could have predicted this would have happened again when it happened the first Trump term when he played around with tariffs and had to bail out farmers in 2018?


What is the purpose of wind generators?

It's windy enough already.
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DarkBrandon01 said:

Any company that requires bailouts to survive should just be owned by the government.


Because the government does such a bang up job running non-government things.
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IIIHorn said:

Quad Dog said:

Who could have predicted this would have happened again when it happened the first Trump term when he played around with tariffs and had to bail out farmers in 2018?


What is the purpose of wind generators?

It's windy enough already.

Your entire premise blows!
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infinity ag said:

Kansas Kid said:

infinity ag said:

Kansas Kid said:

infinity ag said:

Corn Pop said:

B-1 83 said:

DarkBrandon01 said:

Any company that requires bailouts to survive should just be owned by the government.

I know you think this is some sort of intelligent quip, but it shows a total cognitive disconnect about the strategic and economic interests of this country. The current commodity situation is years in the making, and international in scope. Why are you against the preservation of family farms?


Because it's not about family farms anymore. The small family farms have already gone out of business or will be within the next two years. What you'd consider to be large family operations are the ones that pressed it in the nineties and early 2000's and put themselves in position to be raking in $$ while the government bailouts continue and they ride off in the sunset. Most of their children want nothing to do with it, and they will disappear as soon as the dads pass way (10-20 years).

Pull your head out and see the fact the government is using the same strategy they've used in countless other areas. Squeeze until they "have to step in" then it's theirs to oversee. Not too difficult to see what's happening.


Nowadays farms are corporations. And farms are run by CEOs.
And we all know what CEOs do to whatever they run - steal, loot and defraud to make money for themselves while running the business into the ground. A few millions in Government bailout money is most welcome.

I guess you are right in that every family farmer could call himself a CEO so in your warped world view, that make him evil. I assume you think the same thing of every family restaurant owner, car dealership owner, etc. In other words, every business has a CEO so by definition, that makes them evil.

Yes there are many corporate farms but there are also a large number of true family farmers and ranchers who have a goal of running their business into the ground so their kids can't take it over.


Not the family farmer.
I meant when a corporation buys the farm and many farms and runs it like one. They hire a professional CEO who does not care about the product, he just cares about increasing his own salary and bonus. Those are the evil people who ruin every industry.
They don't deserve a bailout. Uncle Jim's farm does.

Clear now?

His original post says farms are corporations with no qualifier. When I look at most family farms in 2025 especially in row crops, they are essentially run like a small corporation with outside help (because the kids are long gone), outsourced harvesting, fertilizer applications, maintenance etc. I have zero issue with this as it has made farming a lot more efficient and kept grain prices low for American and world consumers.

Now that he was called out on his hatred for CEOs applying to his view of farms, he changes his tune.




Who me? I hate bad CEOs, I don't hide that. But changed my tune? No. You are just declaring victory for no reason.

I am against any subsidies for any corporate farms. They don't deserve it and I am sure most of the money goes into the pockets of the C levels of those corporate farms.
By CEO, I don't mean an Uncle Jim who runs his ancestral farm. I mean a career CEO.

I analyze situations by my default position of "CEO? Then he is guilty". Then I look for reasons why he may not be guilty. It is as simple as that.

Clear now?


Crop Eating Organisms?
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BigRobSA said:

IIIHorn said:

Quad Dog said:

Who could have predicted this would have happened again when it happened the first Trump term when he played around with tariffs and had to bail out farmers in 2018?


What is the purpose of wind generators?

It's windy enough already.

Your entire premise blows!


So, you're not a fan?
ETFan
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Science Denier said:

Mas89 said:

Duh… our whole economy, including those small businesses would have collapsed years ago without the government bailout. Think 1930s.

This is the part that so many otherwise intelligent, educated people just can't comprehend.

TDS gets in the way of normally logical thinkers. It's a mental disease.

These guys have been hammering TARIFFS WILL CAUSE INFLATION for a long time. Hasn't happened yet.

$12B is roundoff for us. It's about $35/person. We gave $8.5 billion to just one company, Intel. How many billions did we give Ukraine. And, this $12B keeps US generating food.

It will be OK. These guys have already survived one year. Only 3 more to go.

Bold, denial.

The rest sounds great when the problem isn't WHOLLY SEFL INFLICTED. He did this exact same thing the first time, it accomplished nothing. Let's do it again!
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Science Denier said:

Mas89 said:

Duh… our whole economy, including those small businesses would have collapsed years ago without the government bailout. Think 1930s.

This is the part that so many otherwise intelligent, educated people just can't comprehend.

TDS gets in the way of normally logical thinkers. It's a mental disease.

These guys have been hammering TARIFFS WILL CAUSE INFLATION for a long time. Hasn't happened yet.

$12B is roundoff for us. It's about $35/person. We gave $8.5 billion to just one company, Intel. How many billions did we give Ukraine. And, this $12B keeps US generating food.

It will be OK. These guys have already survived one year. Only 3 more to go.

What's funny is that you think this will be all they get. Because I can guarantee you it is not.
Gig 'Em
Ed Harley
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Lots of fans of welfare on this board.
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"tHeY bEtTeR nOt bE bUyInG sOdAs, sTeAkS aNd lObStEr wItH tHiS wElFaRe mOnEy!!
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Ed Harley said:

Lots of fans of welfare on this board.

Proof that both parties are full of libtards.
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BigRobSA said:

Ed Harley said:

Lots of fans of welfare on this board.

Proof that both parties are full of libtards.

100%. That's what happens when Republicans make a liberal the head of their party.
 
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