I agree. The "average" price of gasoline across the United States will go up largely because of California. That top line number is all the media headlines will report.

Just like when they passed that ridiculous legislation regulating the chicken and pork industry.

Ah ok.

California is poised to fully approve E15 in an effort to lower prices. Yes, I know the argument that it lowers fuel economy, but people rarely care about that.

The bigger issue with northern California is that the infrastructure isn't there to support a lot more imported gasoline. Until someone pony's up the money to connect the ports to the pipelines, this just becomes a reduction in supply without a clear viable way to replace it.

Our gasoline in Phoenix comes from California so this is a problem for me at least.

YouBet said:

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I can't believe Trump killed the O&G industry in California starting back in W's term that led to this.

His 4D chess is unparalleled.

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That's all you've got?

You have to think of California as two distinct supply chains.

Northern California and Southern California.

Southern California does have a better port system that ties to the pipelines so places like Phoenix are easier to get product to.

Phoenix also gets quite a bit of gasoline from the east which helps as well.

JamesPShelley said:

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YouBet said:

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I can't believe Trump killed the O&G industry in California starting back in W's term that led to this.

His 4D chess is unparalleled.

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That's all you've got?

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Yes, I'm currently on pain meds, so I can't be expected to have my A game.

Optimistic framing: This will encourage Californians to get more exercise.

You know, what with having to walk long distances due to not having enough money for gasoline.

AgLiving06 said:

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You have to think of California as two distinct supply chains.

Northern California and Southern California.

Southern California does have a better port system that ties to the pipelines so places like Phoenix are easier to get product to.

Phoenix also gets quite a bit of gasoline from the east which helps as well.

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Ethanol doesn't do real well with pipelines, fyi.

I troll my Cali friends by sending them snapshots while I'm filling up. A few regurgitate the "O&G companies gouge CA customers" BS line. Others understand.

That was a very good video, but they also missed one major rammification: as cost of business skyrockets companies are going to exit the west coast to protect their bottom line. As companies flee at an accelerated pace their tax base is going to get gutted. This is particularly a major issue as Prop 13 in the 70's ruined their property rax system and has pushed the majority of taxes onto personal income and corporate taxes. When people flee its going to have a. Outsized impact on the state's revenue.

Here's the longer thread from a few months ago.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3564604

I might be wrong but I think gasoline from Texas just goes to Tucson. I was that way in Tuesday and gasoline is significantly lower there than Phoenix.

Good point.

AlaskanAg99 said:

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I troll my Cali friends by sending them snapshots while I'm filling up. A few regurgitate the "O&G companies gouge CA customers" BS line. Others understand.

That was a very good video, but they also missed one major rammification: as cost of business skyrockets companies are going to exit the west coast to protect their bottom line. As companies flee at an accelerated pace their tax base is going to get gutted. This is particularly a major issue as Prop 13 in the 70's ruined their property rax system and has pushed the majority of taxes onto personal income and corporate taxes. When people flee its going to have a. Outsized impact on the state's revenue.

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Gouging. lol. Man, Democrat are dumb.

HollywoodBQ said:

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Ya hate to see it

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Texags should charge you more for your handle, Cali-boy!!!!!1

AtticusMatlock said:

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It won't affect the actual gasoline supply in the rest of United States at all. I get that. What it will do is factor into the national average price of gasoline. Just like when California passed their stupid free-range chicken egg law and a dozen eggs spiked to $10 there. Factor it into the national average and the national average goes up. Media reports it, Trump is blamed.

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I was told "There will be no math." !!

They better hope the Mad Max tankers from Arizona make it through.

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They better hope the Mad Max tankers from Arizona make it through.

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Charlize is their only hope.

I wonder if I could make money selling Almond farms to Amish families?

nortex97 said:

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AgLiving06 said:

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You have to think of California as two distinct supply chains.

Northern California and Southern California.

Southern California does have a better port system that ties to the pipelines so places like Phoenix are easier to get product to.

Phoenix also gets quite a bit of gasoline from the east which helps as well.

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Ethanol doesn't do real well with pipelines, fyi.

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What's ethanol have to do with anything?

That moves via rail or barge and is an entirely different supply chain .

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I might be wrong but I think gasoline from Texas just goes to Tucson. I was that way in Tuesday and gasoline is significantly lower there than Phoenix.

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No.

PHX requires AZRBOB, which is really just reformulated gasoline. Tucson doesn't and takes the "conventional CBOB so it's going to be cheaper.

It's been a minute since I looked, but it is very possible that Tucson only gets gas from the east.

PHX absolutely gets gas from the east, but certainly gets a fair share from the west.