ktownag08 said:

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Good. Let them pay for their stupidity!

Meanwhile, I just paid $2.09 yesterday...

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$2.00 flat after my Costco 5% back. If we can get it down around $1.50 gal I may get on the Trump 3rd term train (while at the same time recognizing that it would be a pretty poor scenario for O&G folks… :/ )

Don't know of this is accurate but Tuesday I drove down to Tucson and gasoline was cheaper starting at Casa Grande.

More like this:

I paid $2.46 a gallon yesterday in Oklahoma....for diesel.

It's $2.94 at home right now, gas about $2.16

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CanyonAg77 said:

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I paid $2.46 a gallon yesterday in Oklahoma....for diesel.

It's $2.94 at home right now, gas about $2.16

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Member when diesel used to be cheaper than gas?

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Back when the diesel tax was a heck of a lot lower?

1.85/gal today for regular, although that is significantly less than the avg around town, which I'd say is ~2.20

Everyone laughing and celebrating California paying higher and saying they deserve it realize that 1) there are people like me who aren't voting for these policies that will end up paying and 2) people opposite of me that vote liberal and can't afford the state will keep on just moving to Texas and eventually ruining it for good.

Jock 07 said:

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Californians in Arizona & Nevada soon

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We're just a couple oilmen up from Texas just a itching to sell you some gasoline

uneedastraw said:

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Everyone laughing and celebrating California paying higher and saying they deserve it realize that 1) there are people like me who aren't voting for these policies that will end up paying and 2) people opposite of me that vote liberal and can't afford the state will keep on just moving to Texas and eventually ruining it for good.

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Do what i did 11 years ago: GTFO

All I want to say about CA is F CA.

HAHA.

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uneedastraw said:

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Everyone laughing and celebrating California paying higher and saying they deserve it realize that 1) there are people like me who aren't voting for these policies that will end up paying and 2) people opposite of me that vote liberal and can't afford the state will keep on just moving to Texas and eventually ruining it for good.

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Do what i did 11 years ago: GTFO

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2 years California free for me.

Nothing but upside.

Socialism is working great in Cali isn't it?

jja79 said:

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Don't know of this is accurate but Tuesday I drove down to Tucson and gasoline was cheaper starting at Casa Grande.

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https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/energy/2025/10/23/new-pipeline-connecting-arizona-and-texas/86825484007/

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Kinder Morgan currently operates two other pipelines in Arizona. Combined, they supply most of the state's gasoline. One, called the West Line, runs from California's Inland Empire to Phoenix via Yuma. Another, the East Line, originates in El Paso, Texas and runs to Phoenix via Tucson.

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You can see that on the KinderMorgan asset map (not sure if my filtering will hold on a copy/paste, but if you filter by products only you'll see the pipelines.

https://www.kindermorgan.com/Operations/Asset-Map

This feels like the European approach. Make gas more expensive on purpose to discourage people from buying it and to hasten a move to EVs.

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This feels like the European approach. Make gas more expensive on purpose to discourage people from buying it and to hasten a move to EVs.

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That has definitely been a deliberate part of the Democratic platform with all the fossil fuel restrictions and closures they've mandated. They hate cheap gas.

The Europeans by the way are on a path to ruin. Their manufacturing industry is in free fall. The growing cost of carbon caps and penalties is shuttering facilities and eliminating jobs. They will outsource their goods production to other countries who don't embrace such silly policies.

Some of you guys are getting very good prices on gas. It's around $2.50 in my area.

One other thing I've heard. Philips is also considering converting at least one other California refinery to a different hydrocarbon instead of gas. Doing that is pretty simple and not capex heavy.

Good

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That's awesome to hear. I still think their 'special' blends have cost them a fortune (on purpose). Link:

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California's unique gasoline blend, known as CARBOB, places us on a "energy island." Because its specifications differ from those used elsewhere, many refineries across the United States and abroad do not make it, which chokes off competition and leaves us dependent on a smaller set of in-state refineries and specialty imports, especially as our energy-hostile government in Sacramento makes it impossible for our refiners to stay in business.

Adding to the complications, California requires special, warm weather gasoline in the summer, which raises production costs because refiners must remove components like butane and use costlier inputs. As many of us know, the summer season runs well into the fall in many parts of California. The longer, stricter summer-blend period amplifies price spikes when there are hiccups in the supply chain.

When one of our refineries retires, has an outage, or undergoes maintenance, as happened earlier this year, there is no cavalry coming via pipeline from the Gulf Coast. California is not connected to the major refining hubs east of the Rockies, so relief often means paying top dollar for tankers to bring in specialty barrels that meet California's unique standards. This is a key part of the chain of bad policies that have widened our state's gas price gap with the rest of the country from +$0.30/gallon in 2010 to +$1.55/gallon in 2022.

Meanwhile, California's regulatory assault on energy production is destroying our remaining capacity. Since 2015, California has lost roughly 350,000 barrels per day of operable refining capacity. Phillps 66 and Valero have announced additional closures that would remove about 17% more capacity through 2026.

These are not accidents. This is a deliberate dismantling of the industrial base powering our lives and providing high-paying jobs. Instead of fostering an environment where producers are free to innovate and compete to provide affordable energy, our state punishes them. The result is predictable: less supply, higher costs, and greater dependence on foreign sources.

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But no worries, Governor Newsom fixed this by mandating more ethanol in October this year, and increasing refinery resupply level regulations for any remaining refineries operating in the state.

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Recent actions by Governor Newsom and the legislature have helped stabilize the state's petroleum market and prevented billions of dollars in gasoline price spikes:

• The Governor signed legislation last month that provides a path for a targeted, locally-led, environmentally responsible and safe increase in oil production in Kern County to boost overall fuel supplies in the state.
• Following record gasoline price spikes in 2022, Governor Newsom called for a special session and worked in partnership with the legislature on first-of-its-kind transparency requirements on the oil industry, which have already helped the state manage fuel supply and stabilize prices.
• Moreover, the transparency afforded by that first special session legislation led to thesecond special session legislation focused on building more stability into California's fuel supply, including by the establishment of a minimum supply inventory and requiring plans for refinery resupply during maintenance, work that is now underway by the CEC.
• Both pieces of special session legislation gave the state new tools to understand and help manage the state's petroleum market providing more transparency than ever before to allow the state to make informed decisions with respect to our transition away from fossil fuels and towards cleaner, alternative fuels.

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I'm sure all of that crap will in fact lower costs to consumers as they 'transition away from fossil fuels.' LOL, and he wants to be president.

CA making it more expensive than anyone to fuel your vehicle while being tied with Louisiana for the worst poverty rate in the country. Good job, CA!

Sorry staff. It didn't occur to me.

Those "measures" won't make a dent in their gasoline prices imo.

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I can't believe Trump killed the O&G industry in California starting back in W's term that led to this.

His 4D chess is unparalleled.

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That's all you've got?

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Yes, I'm currently on pain meds, so I can't be expected to have my A game.

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That's fair, and starred.

Diesel prices are under $3 a gallon in my area, and gas prices are dropping toward the very low $2 range

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uneedastraw said:

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Everyone laughing and celebrating California paying higher and saying they deserve it realize that 1) there are people like me who aren't voting for these policies that will end up paying and 2) people opposite of me that vote liberal and can't afford the state will keep on just moving to Texas and eventually ruining it for good.

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Do what i did 11 years ago: GTFO

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2 years California free for me.

Nothing but upside.

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I live in little CA (CO) and am interviewing as we speak to leave.

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Jock 07 said:

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Californians in Arizona & Nevada soon

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We're just a couple oilmen up from Texas just a itching to sell you some gasoline

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One of the funniest episodes ever.

BECAUSE I CUT THE BRAKES....WILDCARD ********!!!

Rossticus said:

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ktownag08 said:

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Good. Let them pay for their stupidity!

Meanwhile, I just paid $2.09 yesterday...

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$2.00 flat after my Costco 5% back. If we can get it down around $1.50 gal I may get on the Trump 3rd term train (while at the same time recognizing that it would be a pretty poor scenario for O&G folks… :/ )

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That was Monday.

I guess CA policies affected all stations in DFW today - the vast majority jumped to $2.69/gallon. LOL.

uneedastraw said:

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Everyone laughing and celebrating California paying higher and saying they deserve it realize that 1) there are people like me who aren't voting for these policies that will end up paying and 2) people opposite of me that vote liberal and can't afford the state will keep on just moving to Texas and eventually ruining it for good.

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I dunno. Both Florida and Texas have remained red states despite a heavy influx of blue state residents.

Logos Stick said:

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One other thing I've heard. Philips is also considering converting at least one other California refinery to a different hydrocarbon instead of gas. Doing that is pretty simple and not capex heavy.

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It will be interesting to see if they pull that off now, which it sounds like is happening. But, for retail/storage, not for a different hydrocarbon.

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California pushed out another refinery, the Phillips 66 Refinery closed this month. Valero's refinery announced that it too is closing down in April. Heavy regulation is making the refineries unable to continue.

The Phillips 66 plans are already underway to develop the 444-acre Wilmington refinery site into a complex that would include warehouse storage, a shopping center with dining options, and sports facilities.

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I had no idea Valero essentially is taking a $1 billion hit just to walk away from Belencia until today.

I'm sure the math checks out but it's incredible, and note that no one else wants to buy that previously profitable refinery to operate it either, because California has functionally killed the ability to do so profitably with 'carbon credit' markets etc.

I hope gas hits ten bucks a gallon in LA/San Fran.

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It will not impact national gas. Cali uses a special blend of gas only made in Cali and some overseas locations. The rest of the country is isolated from their nonsense.

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Somewhat true. Valero and Western Refining can blend this gas and Kinder has the ability for transportation to California. To your point, that does NOT support Cali's demand.

There is a new project proposed by P66 and Kinder to take midcon fuel west to support this shortfall. If that goes through, we will see a supply squeeze..