The Lost Generation

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El Gallo Blanco said:

AgBQ-00 said:

EclipseAg said:

This article has generated lots of discussion online. And for good reason. It's a much-needed critique of DEI from the left, which gives progressives permission to finally notice.

But the DEI stuff has been going on for a lot longer than 2014. Even in the '80s, being a woman or minority was an advantage in many industries.

I can remember my father complaining that affirmative action was having a negative impact on his office. I saw a lot of that first hand well before the 2000s. It just hadn't reached a crescendo yet, but the writing was on the wall.

The other issue is that the men interviewed for this article still proclaim themselves to be liberals. After all that they've gone through, they still can't accept that many on the left hate them.

The firefighter dad in American History X was way more right than wrong in his comments.

That movie aged very poorly. The message is basically, "some of them are good, but be careful which ones you asssociate with as they are disproportionately prone to violence".


Actually that movie aged very very well. Derek's character has been vindicated in every single facet and all of the ideas and comments he expressed in the movie have been proven correct. If anything his ideas about the impacts were very understated in comparison to reality.
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Dan Carlin said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?

The problem is more pronounced the younger you are.

People with established track records and zero red flags are going to get jobs regardless.

Kids in their 20s that need someone to take a chance on them?

Zero gentile white men for the last 10 years from the Blue chips. That is a problem.
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Phatbob said:

Spergin said:

Dan Carlin said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?


Screw your own kids amirite? I made it, who cares about anyone else.

White men will continue to be successful because they will have to deal with adversity and not have excuses. The path to success is not ultimately through being hired by the DEI block. DEI will ultimately cause those companies to fall to the wayside the same way other anti-competitive practices eventually do. The market will fix it, and the white male kids, if they actually deserve to be successful, will change the market by their own reaction to the existing conditions.

In other words, if DEI is keeping your white male kid from succeeding, then they aren't built to overcome the excuses. I'd say the same to any minority in a non-DEI world, which will be soon enough as DEI is causing businesses to fall.


Just more blaming the kids who happened to be born at the wrong time. This post captures everything I have been saying this whole thread.

You claim to be against it, yet it's still somehow the fault of the younger people.
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Muktheduck said:

Dan Carlin said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?


Jewish? That gets ignored often in these stats; if you narrow down to gentile white men the numbers are even worse


See Ron Unz's the myth of American meritocracy. It's really really bad for white Christian men.
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Most everyone is saying to work your hardest and do whatever you have to in order to provide for yourself. Not out of any denigrating view of younger generations, but because you literally have to do it to survive. No life is not fair...it was never fair and never will be fair. Don't like the chances of getting ahead in the corporate world? Get involved in alternative areas, start your own thing. Do what you have to in order to survive. That is the advice.

The short of it is life sucks...either get busy making what you can out of it, or continue to be a victim.
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Spergin said:

YouBet said:

Spergin said:

AgGrad99 said:


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This forum is repeatedly surprised though...


Is it?

The board seems apt to discuss, maybe appalled, etc...but surprised? I think it's what most on here have predicted would be the outcome for a long while.


Yes it 100% is. Boomers act like it's the fault of those younger than them and not the system. They act like the free market will solve it when it won't, at all. They act like the civil rights movement was a good thing when all it did was lead to exactly this scenario.

Anyone and everyone who says or implies a bootstrap concept is just ignoring the issue and telling those who happened to be born at the wrong time, "tough ****, figure it out" instead of being angry at the system that caused it to happen.

I think you are conflating a couple of issues here to some degree. This board does not ignore the DEI issue nor the fact that white people are being discriminated against in hiring decisions. We discuss it daily.

Examples I have shared previously from my own experience:

During #metoo, I have first-hand knowledge from a Senior VP at one of the largest tech companies in the US that he was required to backfill any open positions with females. In addition, any events they sponsored (eg golf tournaments) were to prioritize female employees in attendance over even male executives.

During BLM outrage, my own corporate company (along with almost every other F500 company at the time) announced a quota for blacks in executive leadership positions. They never actually got there though because there weren't enough qualified blacks to meet their quota. They smartly didn't promote blacks just to promote blacks.


So then why do so many default back to the bootstraps argument when it is demonstrably not just false but actively impossible. How do you tell someone who has been shutout so badly he can't even get a job flipping burgers because they won't hire white men that he should just work harder?

That's not a solution and does nothing but create generational divide. The response instead should be visceral anger at what has been allowed to propagate.

I generally don't go whole hog on the bootstraps argument. Like many things reality is somewhere in the middle. You also can't deny that the millennials who have suffered from this vote en masse for people who push the very policies that punish them. They've pushed their own suicidal employment pact. So, I'm not blaming you specifically, but the younger generations sealed their own fate here, partially.

Hopefully, all of this Gen Z going right wing talk I hear about is actually true. I don't believe it yet because I see completely conflicting information about them from various sources.

Gen X is the most conversative demo we have of which I'm a part. Unfortunately, we are also the smallest demo we have, so our influence is less impactful than others especially now that you have four generations in the workplace. We are diluted by the other more, white guilt driven demos.
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Look, Boomers aren't perfect, but they aren't the boogie man for all your problems.

"Boomers" have become the defacto group to blame by anyone under 35 for all of their problems.

It is an argument for the weak minded because they don't want to take a look at themselves and see that they are just as much a part of the problem because they often vote for people who push the very policies they're now whining about.
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Spergin said:

El Gallo Blanco said:

AgBQ-00 said:

EclipseAg said:

This article has generated lots of discussion online. And for good reason. It's a much-needed critique of DEI from the left, which gives progressives permission to finally notice.

But the DEI stuff has been going on for a lot longer than 2014. Even in the '80s, being a woman or minority was an advantage in many industries.

I can remember my father complaining that affirmative action was having a negative impact on his office. I saw a lot of that first hand well before the 2000s. It just hadn't reached a crescendo yet, but the writing was on the wall.

The other issue is that the men interviewed for this article still proclaim themselves to be liberals. After all that they've gone through, they still can't accept that many on the left hate them.

The firefighter dad in American History X was way more right than wrong in his comments.

That movie aged very poorly. The message is basically, "some of them are good, but be careful which ones you asssociate with as they are disproportionately prone to violence".


Actually that movie aged very very well. Derek's character has been vindicated in every single facet and all of the ideas and comments he expressed in the movie have been proven correct. If anything his ideas about the impacts were very understated in comparison to reality.

Ha yep, I guess I should have said it aged well...but that the director executed poorly...as I know his intent was not for it to age well and send the message it actually sends.
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Spergin said:

Phatbob said:

Spergin said:

Dan Carlin said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?


Screw your own kids amirite? I made it, who cares about anyone else.

White men will continue to be successful because they will have to deal with adversity and not have excuses. The path to success is not ultimately through being hired by the DEI block. DEI will ultimately cause those companies to fall to the wayside the same way other anti-competitive practices eventually do. The market will fix it, and the white male kids, if they actually deserve to be successful, will change the market by their own reaction to the existing conditions.

In other words, if DEI is keeping your white male kid from succeeding, then they aren't built to overcome the excuses. I'd say the same to any minority in a non-DEI world, which will be soon enough as DEI is causing businesses to fall.


Just more blaming the kids who happened to be born at the wrong time. This post captures everything I have been saying this whole thread.

You claim to be against it, yet it's still somehow the fault of the younger people.

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm saying if you want to be successful, you have to adapt to the current situation. Not being successful, by definition, is not being able to adapt. It's the difference between it being an excuse or a challenge. Become strong enough to lift the weight so something like that, no matter what it is, can easily be overcome rather than try to take any weight off of the bar that makes it harder to lift.
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BusterAg said:

Dan Carlin said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?

The problem is more pronounced the younger you are.

People with established track records and zero red flags are going to get jobs regardless.

Kids in their 20s that need someone to take a chance on them?

Zero gentile white men for the last 10 years from the Blue chips. That is a problem.


Yep. If you're not established and not a technical expert you're pretty much screwed. And even then those who are these things are now often screwed when they lose their jobs because no one wants to hire white men anymore. At that point you become the old white man no one wants instead of the young white man no one wants.
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AgBQ-00 said:

Most everyone is saying to work your hardest and do whatever you have to in order to provide for yourself. Not out of any denigrating view of younger generations, but because you literally have to do it to survive. No life is not fair...it was never fair and never will be fair. Don't like the chances of getting ahead in the corporate world? Get involved in alternative areas, start your own thing. Do what you have to in order to survive. That is the advice.

The short of it is life sucks...either get busy making what you can out of it, or continue to be a victim.


The entire job application system is now broken. What exactly do you expect people to do? Shifting gears in the way some of you think is just out of reach for many.

And yes they absolutely are victims. Why should we not be working to change the entire system?
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Dan Carlin said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?

This is one of those issues that you have to look at from both a micro and macro perspective.

Yes, many individual young white men have done fine, especially in professions that remain overwhelmingly white and male.

But if you take a broader view, the statistics don't lie. White men are being shut out of many fields, and even worse, they are self-selecting out because they see the odds are against them.
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Rapier108 said:

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Look, Boomers aren't perfect, but they aren't the boogie man for all your problems.

"Boomers" have become the defacto group to blame by anyone under 35 for all of their problems.

It is an argument for the weak minded because they don't want to take a look at themselves and see that they are just as much a part of the problem because they often vote for people who push the very policies they're now whining about.

It is possible for multiple things to be true:

1. Life requires you to seize the moment.
2. Old men generally engage in actions that screw over younger men.
3. Over the past 20 years masculinity and Christianity were under constant attack.

Yes men under 35 could be trying better. It is also true that the boomers really didnt care they screwed over younger white men because they weren't younger white men. Why risk their high paying job for them.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

Spergin said:

El Gallo Blanco said:

AgBQ-00 said:

EclipseAg said:

This article has generated lots of discussion online. And for good reason. It's a much-needed critique of DEI from the left, which gives progressives permission to finally notice.

But the DEI stuff has been going on for a lot longer than 2014. Even in the '80s, being a woman or minority was an advantage in many industries.

I can remember my father complaining that affirmative action was having a negative impact on his office. I saw a lot of that first hand well before the 2000s. It just hadn't reached a crescendo yet, but the writing was on the wall.

The other issue is that the men interviewed for this article still proclaim themselves to be liberals. After all that they've gone through, they still can't accept that many on the left hate them.

The firefighter dad in American History X was way more right than wrong in his comments.

That movie aged very poorly. The message is basically, "some of them are good, but be careful which ones you asssociate with as they are disproportionately prone to violence".


Actually that movie aged very very well. Derek's character has been vindicated in every single facet and all of the ideas and comments he expressed in the movie have been proven correct. If anything his ideas about the impacts were very understated in comparison to reality.

Ha yep, I guess I should have said it aged well...but that the director executed poorly...as I know his intent was not for it to age well and send the message it actually sends.


The director has since melted down about this. The exact point he was trying to make ended up proving the polar opposite thanks to reality. The alternate ending of that movie would have been far better (where Derek is standing in front of a mirror and shaves his head again).
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Spergin said:

LMCane said:

how can this surprise anyone?!?

the communists and Marxists have been literally stating this was their goal for 20 years!


It doesn't to anyone who was paying attention. This forum is repeatedly surprised though because it's full of Boomers who love the civil rights act and the civil rights movement. None of them were ever affected by of this stuff and tell everyone younger to pull themselves up by the bootstraps despite literally every single door being systematically closed in their face.

Some of the stories I posted above describe dudes who couldn't even find a job in fast food. That's how pervasive the desire to avoid hiring white men became.

I'll never understand a parent who doesn't do anything to help their kids succeed. I'll game the system as much as I can ensure my kids aren't left behind.

you don't post on F16 much, do you.
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EclipseAg said:

Dan Carlin said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?

This is one of those issues that you have to look at from both a micro and macro perspective.

Yes, many individual young white men have done fine, especially in professions that remain overwhelmingly white and male.

But if you take a broader view, the statistics don't lie. White men are being shut out of many fields, and even worse, they are self-selecting out because they see the odds are against them.



Being white and male is pretty awesome in every conceivable way that I've experienced. Sounds like these dudes that are opting-out are too fragile for a world that is more competitive than the one their fathers grew up in. Learn to code, or learn to weld, or whatever. There are tons of opportunities out there for people willing to hustle. Just don't expect they're going to be able to pay a mortgage on a single salary anymore.
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texagbeliever said:

One thing is for certain it definitely is not the fault of boomers who were in leadership positions when anti-white policies were implemented.
It wasnt the fault of boomers and gen x in leadership positions who shut the country down over covid..
It wasnt the fault of boomers and Gen x that our schools became utter trash and federalized over the past 30 plus years.

You are exactly right on this. It is the fault of the voters. Except for a relatively short period, Boomers had less than a third of the votes. And other generations could have brought forth their own pols. JFK???

Now the "usual" net is being made larger (Boomers + Gen X). Yes, that is more than 50% of voters.

I understand your being upset. But generational warfare is pointless.

Honestly look at these 3 issues. For instance, if you wanted to divide the "blame" demographically, I would do it M vs W. But that doesn't do a lot of good, either. Does it?

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work to change the system. sure...but you will absolutely have to find a way to provide for yourself. get into the trades, develop a skill or service that is in demand. The victim mentality is toxic and corrosive and creates bars and bondage that are hard to break. You can be negatively affected by something and not be a victim.
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Logos Stick said:

The sad reality is if Dems get control in 2028, they will put pedal to the metal on DEI again and on open borders!

The future of this nation is bleak unfortunately. May the Lord grant us a peaceful, national divorce.
I'm actually not so sure.

The luster of DEI / ESG has faded, and restarting an old baggage laden practice is harder than implementing a new and exciting fad.

A lot depends on whether cultural infiltrators have sufficiently captured positions of power with major companies, or whether their racist hiring practices can be de-resourced into the dustbin alongside matrix management schemes.
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Spergin said:

YouBet said:

Spergin said:

AgGrad99 said:


Quote:

This forum is repeatedly surprised though...


Is it?

The board seems apt to discuss, maybe appalled, etc...but surprised? I think it's what most on here have predicted would be the outcome for a long while.


Yes it 100% is. Boomers act like it's the fault of those younger than them and not the system. They act like the free market will solve it when it won't, at all. They act like the civil rights movement was a good thing when all it did was lead to exactly this scenario.

Anyone and everyone who says or implies a bootstrap concept is just ignoring the issue and telling those who happened to be born at the wrong time, "tough ****, figure it out" instead of being angry at the system that caused it to happen.

I think you are conflating a couple of issues here to some degree. This board does not ignore the DEI issue nor the fact that white people are being discriminated against in hiring decisions. We discuss it daily.

Examples I have shared previously from my own experience:

During #metoo, I have first-hand knowledge from a Senior VP at one of the largest tech companies in the US that he was required to backfill any open positions with females. In addition, any events they sponsored (eg golf tournaments) were to prioritize female employees in attendance over even male executives.

During BLM outrage, my own corporate company (along with almost every other F500 company at the time) announced a quota for blacks in executive leadership positions. They never actually got there though because there weren't enough qualified blacks to meet their quota. They smartly didn't promote blacks just to promote blacks.


So then why do so many default back to the bootstraps argument when it is demonstrably not just false but actively impossible. How do you tell someone who has been shutout so badly he can't even get a job flipping burgers because they won't hire white men that he should just work harder?

That's not a solution and does nothing but create generational divide. The response instead should be visceral anger at what has been allowed to propagate.

does Infinity have a new sock?
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My guess is most of them voted for it. .
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Long article which I will read the rest of this evening. However, the first part is mostly focused on media. It is of course notoriously leftist and a dying industry. While the DEI BS is common , I don't think it can be this bad in all industries. Regardless, both media and academia deserve to die by the DEI monster they created.
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This Trump presidency has fallen short of my hopes in many ways, but even if it were to be a failure in every regard beyond the DEI blowback: it'd still be worth crawling naked through broken glass to vote for.
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Dan Carlin said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?



an obtuse response by a selfish person that is only concerned about themselves. i am very comfortable with my success level but won't sit here and brag to get your approval. there is a systematic effort to disengage white christian males articles speak to this happening through multiple avenues and your response is well this white boy is doing good so it's you. it's not about me it's about systematic choices to disinclude a segment of society.

that is wrong.


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Boomers/Gen X in leadership positions made it and then kicked the ladder out underneath. Incredibly selfish. Boomers/Gen X in Congress have done the same with our national debt,. Future generations to be screwed.
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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


2 words - Barack Obama
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America's historical playbook is replete with examples of how we use influence to foment cultural divisions for the purpose of regime change in countries identified as hostile

DEI and the Left's identity politics is a gift to our enemies who want us to divide and destroy ourselves.
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Get Off My Lawn said:

Logos Stick said:

The sad reality is if Dems get control in 2028, they will put pedal to the metal on DEI again and on open borders!

The future of this nation is bleak unfortunately. May the Lord grant us a peaceful, national divorce.
I'm actually not so sure.

The luster of DEI / ESG has faded, and restarting an old baggage laden practice is harder than implementing a new and exciting fad.

A lot depends on whether cultural infiltrators have sufficiently captured positions of power with major companies, or whether their racist hiring practices can be de-resourced into the dustbin alongside matrix management schemes.


I hope to God you are correct. Unfortunately a lot of this is a zero sum game. Someone has to lose and the left, now being the party of mostly minorities, has decided this will be white men.

I have a feeling this will get a lot worse.
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Phatbob said:

Spergin said:

Phatbob said:

Spergin said:

Dan Carlin said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?


Screw your own kids amirite? I made it, who cares about anyone else.

White men will continue to be successful because they will have to deal with adversity and not have excuses. The path to success is not ultimately through being hired by the DEI block. DEI will ultimately cause those companies to fall to the wayside the same way other anti-competitive practices eventually do. The market will fix it, and the white male kids, if they actually deserve to be successful, will change the market by their own reaction to the existing conditions.

In other words, if DEI is keeping your white male kid from succeeding, then they aren't built to overcome the excuses. I'd say the same to any minority in a non-DEI world, which will be soon enough as DEI is causing businesses to fall.


Just more blaming the kids who happened to be born at the wrong time. This post captures everything I have been saying this whole thread.

You claim to be against it, yet it's still somehow the fault of the younger people.

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm saying if you want to be successful, you have to adapt to the current situation. Not being successful, by definition, is not being able to adapt. It's the difference between it being an excuse or a challenge. Become strong enough to lift the weight so something like that, no matter what it is, can easily be overcome rather than try to take any weight off of the bar that makes it harder to lift.
"A Tarleton State grad will do better than a Yale grad because challenge is better for you than open doors!"

Opportunities matter.

The freeway may not always be the best route, but the detour with pot holes and speed bumps is very rarely the better choice.

Yes; accept the hand you've been dealt and work forward from there, but let's not downplay the real costs. DEI has been a causal contributor to suicides.
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Many older white men saw nothing wrong with diversifying their workforces a little, driven in part by guilt and in part by a sense of fairness.

They had no idea that DEI would become a tsunami and crash through every aspect of American life. Progressives -- many of them young people and many of them minorities -- grabbed DEI and drove it like a stake through the heart of these institutions.

And they had the full backing of the financial community, who put substantial pressure on institutional leaders to play along.
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Over_ed said:

texagbeliever said:

One thing is for certain it definitely is not the fault of boomers who were in leadership positions when anti-white policies were implemented.
It wasnt the fault of boomers and gen x in leadership positions who shut the country down over covid..
It wasnt the fault of boomers and Gen x that our schools became utter trash and federalized over the past 30 plus years.

You are exactly right on this. It is the fault of the voters. Except for a relatively short period, Boomers had less than a third of the votes. And other generations could have brought forth their own pols. JFK???

Now the "usual" net is being made larger (Boomers + Gen X). Yes, that is more than 50% of voters.

I understand your being upset. But generational warfare is pointless.

Honestly look at these 3 issues. For instance, if you wanted to divide the "blame" demographically, I would do it M vs W. But that doesn't do a lot of good, either. Does it?



I have stood up to leadership. The Gen X and Boomer leaders all having the same mindset: dont rock the boat, wait a few years and when you are in power then you can do what you think is right. It is an inaccurate understanding of the human psyche. If you bottle up doing the right thing, in a few years you wont be able to do the right thing because you will have trained yourself the right is always best done in the future and not the present.
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texagbeliever said:

Over_ed said:

texagbeliever said:

One thing is for certain it definitely is not the fault of boomers who were in leadership positions when anti-white policies were implemented.
It wasnt the fault of boomers and gen x in leadership positions who shut the country down over covid..
It wasnt the fault of boomers and Gen x that our schools became utter trash and federalized over the past 30 plus years.

You are exactly right on this. It is the fault of the voters. Except for a relatively short period, Boomers had less than a third of the votes. And other generations could have brought forth their own pols. JFK???

Now the "usual" net is being made larger (Boomers + Gen X). Yes, that is more than 50% of voters.

I understand your being upset. But generational warfare is pointless.

Honestly look at these 3 issues. For instance, if you wanted to divide the "blame" demographically, I would do it M vs W. But that doesn't do a lot of good, either. Does it?



I have stood up to leadership. The Gen X and Boomer leaders all having the same mindset: dont rock the boat, wait a few years and when you are in power then you can do what you think is right. It is an inaccurate understanding of the human psyche. If you bottle up doing the right thing, in a few years you wont be able to do the right thing because you will have trained yourself the right is always best done in the future and not the present.


We are all guilty of this. I work corporate and I have kept my mouth shut at times. Covid broke that for me though. I refused the vaccine and it almost cost me my job. I will never ever stay quiet on any of these issues again.
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Phatbob said:

Spergin said:

Phatbob said:

Spergin said:

Dan Carlin said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

there has been, and is a war against christian white males and it has been going on for quite
some time.

i wonder why that is


Weird. As a member of the alleged oppressed demographic, I have had no problem succeeding in the world and am surrounded by men of similar story in my career arc.

Maybe you guys should just learn to network better?


Screw your own kids amirite? I made it, who cares about anyone else.

White men will continue to be successful because they will have to deal with adversity and not have excuses. The path to success is not ultimately through being hired by the DEI block. DEI will ultimately cause those companies to fall to the wayside the same way other anti-competitive practices eventually do. The market will fix it, and the white male kids, if they actually deserve to be successful, will change the market by their own reaction to the existing conditions.

In other words, if DEI is keeping your white male kid from succeeding, then they aren't built to overcome the excuses. I'd say the same to any minority in a non-DEI world, which will be soon enough as DEI is causing businesses to fall.


Just more blaming the kids who happened to be born at the wrong time. This post captures everything I have been saying this whole thread.

You claim to be against it, yet it's still somehow the fault of the younger people.

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm saying if you want to be successful, you have to adapt to the current situation. Not being successful, by definition, is not being able to adapt. It's the difference between it being an excuse or a challenge. Become strong enough to lift the weight so something like that, no matter what it is, can easily be overcome rather than try to take any weight off of the bar that makes it harder to lift.


In your analogy, the weight on that barbell is a 315 lbs bench press. Sure, some will be strong enough to lift it, but most are just going to be crushed by the weight.

There is an level of oppression that can't be overcome. We're not there yet but we're getting very close. I think most older folks are in denial about it, but give the left a few more years to run wild and they'll continue adding plates to that bar until it's impossible to lift. If all the right is willing to do is tell people to bulk up it won't be long now
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I agree with both of these posts. The entire system doesn't need to be propped up and yes white men are victims but the solution is not more leftism or more oppression Olympics. The solution is tossing a grenade on to the civil rights act and allowing companies and society to discriminate as they please for any reason and allow freedom of association. This is the only solution.

While I speak about Boomers and such here, I fully recognize I will be an old white man soon enough and be blamed by the young. That just perpetuates the cycle and does not fix the problem.

Repeal the civil rights act and repeal hart-celler. This is the only way to fix society.
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AG
I want to reply, but tbh I am not sure what you are saying?

The people who disagree with you should have "stood up to leadership "?
The non-(Gen X + boomers) should have stood up to (GenX + boomers)?

That (Boomers + Gen X) is telling younger generations not to rock the boat?

You talk about doing the right thing. What do you think is the right thing?
 
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