Shapiro draws line in the sand

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9:36a, 12/19/25
Ben Shapiro has draw a line in the metaphorical sand of the conservative movement in a speech at tpusa. Imo, he is attempting to box out Carlson, owens and the groypers of the world and reset it back to more traditional conservative thought.

Hope he wins



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9:38a, 12/19/25
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Carlson's pivot to weird conspiracies is surprising. He just became a shock jock looking for controversy for click bait.

Owen's…. she completely lost her mind.
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9:42a, 12/19/25
Any claim Shapiro had for a better future for conservatism ended when he went full MAGA. That's the real problem. Groypers and the like are just the symptom of the disease.
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9:43a, 12/19/25
lol why does anyone listen to this guy any more? He is basically trying to be a gatekeeper for conservatives, and that backfires every single time. Why is Fuentes popular? Because of people like Shapiro
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In reply to shiftyandquick • 9:44a, 12/19/25
shiftyandquick said:
Any claim he had to a better future for conservatism ended when Shapiro went full MAGA. That's the real problem. Groypers and the like are just the symptom of the disease.

This is like the shark giving the school of fish advice on where to swim next!

Thanks, but NO Thanks!

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In reply to bmks270 • 9:44a, 12/19/25
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When there is social uncertainty, conspiratorial thinking becomes popular in order to allow people to manufacture their own personal rationales for the unknown or unpredictable. We are in a cycle of that. And those conspiratorially prone thinkers are a ready built captive audience for those willing to feed and indulge those sentiments. It's a lucrative market of loyal consumers.
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9:44a, 12/19/25
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He's also seeing The Daily Wire struggle, too, due to entirely unforced errors.

- Hired Candace for some reason
- Fired Brett Cooper and replaced her with her friend in a really sleazy way
- Mishandling of Bentkey
- Shapiro himself increasingly sounding less like an authentic, independent thinker and more like a Trump shill, including trying to sweep the Epstein fiasco under the rug

That last part was my last straw. I unsubscribed and unfollowed him and any Daily Wire page months ago and haven't looked back. I used to listen to Shapiro every day. I started getting tired of every episode being 75% about Israel and 25% ads. Then, he kept bringing on guests to ramble and agree with him, sometimes just having his gold sponsor soak up 20 minutes trying to convince us to invest in gold with them.

Anyway, Shapiro and The Daily Wire were the most promising collection of typical conservative voices, and they've screwed that up. No wonder he's doing and saying this.
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9:45a, 12/19/25
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Absolutely love how Carlson was on record in court documents stating that he loathed Trump, and Trumpers still didn't care and ate up his sh/t because he was saying things they wanted to hear. Anybody with an IQ above room temperature wouldn't need to have waited until 2025 to realize Tucker and Owens are grifters. Anybody who speaks about politics into a microphone for a "living" is a grifter, Shapiro included.
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9:48a, 12/19/25
Is this Ilhan Omar or Tucker Carlson speaking?



"Most Americans have more in common than they disagree on....."

"Muslims are not the problem, lets get in a coalition with them"

Liberals and Islam are the Enemy of America. We have little in common with them.

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9:48a, 12/19/25
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In reply to Ervin Burrell • 9:48a, 12/19/25
Ervin Burrell said:
Absolutely love how Carlson was on record in court documents stating that he loathed Trump, and Trumpers still didn't care and ate up his sh/t because he was saying things they wanted to hear. Anybody with an IQ above room temperature wouldn't need to have waited until 2025 to realize Tucker and Owens are grifters. Anybody who speaks about politics into a microphone for a "living" is a grifter, Shapiro included.
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9:51a, 12/19/25
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Isn't the DW moving towards bankruptcy? Unfortunately Charlie Kirk was the brightest light in the conservative movement and was killed for it.

I don't like Candace, Tucker, Fuentes, etc but to me it seems like they'll only grow if the mainstream folks say "you shouldn't watch these rabble rousers". Streisand effect and whatnot
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9:53a, 12/19/25
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From the outside looking in I'd say Trump killed Conservativism within the GOP. All that's left is a series of purity tests and finger pointing

eta: we have seen a similar phenomenon within the Libertarian Party, fwiw
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In reply to bmks270 • 9:55a, 12/19/25
bmks270 said:
Carlson's pivot to weird conspiracies is surprising.

He is being paid. Most likely by Qatar.

He has never actually been a conservative. He is more of an actor.
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In reply to tysker • 9:56a, 12/19/25
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Fiscal conservatism has left the building. Today it's 100% about culture wars. This was intentional and allows both parties to rob the middle class blind.
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In reply to tysker • 9:57a, 12/19/25

tysker said:
From the outside looking in I'd say Trump killed Conservativism within the GOP. All that's left is a series of purity tests and finger pointing

eta: we have seen a similar phenomenon within the Libertarian Party, fwiw

No, he didn't. He exposed many, many fake conservatives. Pretty amazing since Trump himself is not actually a conservative.

Bill Kristol, George Will, Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, the Bushes, and many others have just shown you who they really are.
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In reply to bmks270 • 9:57a, 12/19/25
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bmks270 said:
Carlson's pivot to weird conspiracies is surprising. He just became a shock jock looking for controversy for click bait.

Owen's…. she completely lost her mind.


Which weird conspiracy theory are you talking about? Epstein? 9/11? JFK? Covid? Israeli controlled congressmen?

Those used to seem weird to me, but after the last 5 years, I don't believe a bit of the official gaslighting narrative.
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9:58a, 12/19/25
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He's not wrong. The necessity is debatable, I lean that it's good he called people out.
ULTRA MAGA
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In reply to tysker • 9:58a, 12/19/25
tysker said:
From the outside looking in I'd say Trump killed Conservativism within the GOP. All that's left is a series of purity tests and finger pointing

Yep, now the only thing that matters is whether or not a person has swore fealty to Trump.

Every candidate had to run on loyalty to Trump, or else MAGA will vote for someone else, no matter how bad that candidate might be.
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In reply to Queso1 • 9:59a, 12/19/25
Queso1 said:
Fiscal conservatism has left the building. Today it's 100% about culture wars. This was intentional and allows both parties to rob the middle class blind.

Yep. They serve the oligarchy. In fact the current president is part of that oligarchy, was brought into power by the oligarchy (this last election), and serves them.
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In reply to shiftyandquick • 9:59a, 12/19/25
shiftyandquick said:
Any claim Shapiro had for a better future for conservatism

What in the world would you know about conservatism? You advocate for the left every single day here.
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 10:00a, 12/19/25
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Ellis Wyatt said:

tysker said:
From the outside looking in I'd say Trump killed Conservativism within the GOP. All that's left is a series of purity tests and finger pointing

eta: we have seen a similar phenomenon within the Libertarian Party, fwiw

No, he didn't. He exposed many, many fake conservatives. Pretty amazing since Trump himself is not actually a conservative.

Bill Kristol, George Will, Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, the Bushes, and many others have just shown you who they really are.

Thanks for making my point
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In reply to Queso1 • 10:01a, 12/19/25
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Queso1 said:
Fiscal conservatism has left the building. Today it's 100% about culture wars. This was intentional and allows both parties to rob the middle class blind.

Yup. "It's a big club, and you ain't in it." The country/world is run by billionaires, and the meaningless political sh/t that is spewed by both sides is to keep the sheep distracted. Something that I learned when I was in middle school, yet there's still millions of dipsh/ts out there who think politics actually matter.
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10:03a, 12/19/25
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I respect that Shapiro is at least willing to stand up instead of just watching chaos happen. I do agree he lost some swag with Trump, but that's a hard landmine to walk around.
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 10:06a, 12/19/25
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Ellis Wyatt said:

tysker said:
From the outside looking in I'd say Trump killed Conservativism within the GOP. All that's left is a series of purity tests and finger pointing

eta: we have seen a similar phenomenon within the Libertarian Party, fwiw

No, he didn't. He exposed many, many fake conservatives. Pretty amazing since Trump himself is not actually a conservative.

Bill Kristol, George Will, Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, the Bushes, and many others have just shown you who they really are.

Absolutely perfect that your retort to "Trump is killing conservatism and it's all about whether you are loyal to him" is "NUH UH! He's perfect, and not even a conservative...it's everyone else's fault!"
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10:11a, 12/19/25
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10:13a, 12/19/25
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Shapiro is right that the right needs gatekeeping. He's the wrong person to do the gatekeeping since he's one of the people that saw the way the wind was blowing and threw everything he had behind MAGA, regardless of actual conservative principles.

This is the result of populism. Looks great when you're getting what you want, but when the makeup starts wearing off, you start to notice all the warts.
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In reply to Colonel Kurtz • 10:14a, 12/19/25
Nice try, NOT!


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10:15a, 12/19/25
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Tucker responds at the beginning of his speech at the same event
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In reply to Queso1 • 10:15a, 12/19/25
Queso1 said:
Fiscal conservatism has left the building. Today it's 100% about culture wars. This was intentional and allows both parties to rob the middle class blind.


So much this.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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In reply to Im Gipper • 10:15a, 12/19/25
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Idc it's still funny
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10:16a, 12/19/25
What is difficult is that there is clearly smart marketing efforts to take a conspiracy theory and then have someone take it too far. The goal being to be able to dismiss the "conspiracy " because of the strawman that was manufactured.

Especially when it comes to the topic of election fraud and donations.
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In reply to shiftyandquick • 10:16a, 12/19/25
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shiftyandquick said:
Queso1 said:
Fiscal conservatism has left the building. Today it's 100% about culture wars. This was intentional and allows both parties to rob the middle class blind.

Yep. They serve the oligarchy. In fact the current president is part of that oligarchy, was brought into power by the oligarchy (this last election), and serves them.

No he doesn't! He's just like me! And DEFINITELY cares about me!
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10:19a, 12/19/25
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Good Ben.

There's naturally a solidarity that comes from being the party out of power, and a factionalism that develops when in power. There's an ongoing fight for the soul of conservatism between traditional conservatives and reactionaries that's going to spill over into the post-Trump GOP. I hope the former prevail before it wrecks the next election cycle.
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 10:21a, 12/19/25
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P.H. Dexippus said:
Good Ben.

There's naturally a solidarity that comes from being the party out of power, and a factionalism that develops when in power. There's an ongoing fight for the soul of conservatism between traditional conservatives and reactionaries that's going to spill over into the post-Trump GOP. I hope the former prevail before it wrecks the next election cycle.


What exactly have "traditional conservatives" actually conserved?
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