Shapiro draws line in the sand

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Yukon Cornelius
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"Conservatism" is only about what's best for Israel and not America. It will be rejected by the younger generations. And sadly what will likely fill the political void is socialism/communism.

If any other country had as much influence in our politics it would be decried. But because it's Israel and all that is involved with it a blind eye is turned.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

"Conservatism" is only about what's best for Israel


YouBet
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Am I the only one on here that doesn't follow any of these people or really knows what they are about? I only know about them because of F16.

- Shapiro: I guess he's a Jewish guy in the conservative movement.
- Candace: seems like a total nut job.
- Fuentes: seems like one of the actual few people someone could label far right wing, but then I don't really know what he believes in.
- Kirk: never heard of him until he was murdered but sounds like he was legit.
- Tucker: I obviously know who Tucker is and watched him briefly on FNC; he seems to have jumped off the deep end lately and co-opted by Qatar.

Relish my ignorance.
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shiftyandquick said:

Any claim Shapiro had for a better future for conservatism ended when he went full MAGA. That's the real problem. Groypers and the like are just the symptom of the disease.

That holds about as much water as saying that every person that voted for Biden is a straight-up communist.

Intellectually lazy.

Do better.
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tysker said:

From the outside looking in I'd say Trump temporarily killed fiscal Conservativism within the GOP. All that's left is a series of purity tests and finger pointing

eta: we have seen a similar phenomenon within the Libertarian Party, fwiw

FIFY.

Banning trans people from sports and kicking out illegals are far from liberal policies.

If he would learn how to quit spending money, he would be golden.
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Tergdor said:

Shapiro is right that the right needs gatekeeping. He's the wrong person to do the gatekeeping since he's one of the people that saw the way the wind was blowing and threw everything he had behind MAGA, regardless of actual conservative principles.

This is the result of populism. Looks great when you're getting what you want, but when the makeup starts wearing off, you start to notice all the warts.

Populism is the only future of the GOP. The choice is between populism and the Uni-party. There is no inbetween.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

"Conservatism" is only about what's best for Israel and not America. It will be rejected by the younger generations. And sadly what will likely fill the political void is socialism/communism.

If any other country had as much influence in our politics it would be decried. But because it's Israel and all that is involved with it a blind eye is turned.
Republicans have always been friendly to Israel, but it's MAGA that's taken it to where it is today. (And MAGA isn't particularly conservative.)
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BusterAg said:

tysker said:

From the outside looking in I'd say Trump temporarily killed fiscal Conservativism within the GOP. All that's left is a series of purity tests and finger pointing

eta: we have seen a similar phenomenon within the Libertarian Party, fwiw

FIFY.

Banning trans people from sports and kicking out illegals are far from liberal policies.

If he would learn how to quit spending money, he would be golden.

All of that is political theatre so that the ruling class can keep enriching themselves off of our backs. Not worth paying ANY attention to, at all.

Fiscal conservatism is the only conservatism that matters.
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BusterAg said:

Tergdor said:

Shapiro is right that the right needs gatekeeping. He's the wrong person to do the gatekeeping since he's one of the people that saw the way the wind was blowing and threw everything he had behind MAGA, regardless of actual conservative principles.

This is the result of populism. Looks great when you're getting what you want, but when the makeup starts wearing off, you start to notice all the warts.

Populism is the only future of the GOP. The choice is between populism and the Uni-party. There is no inbetween.
Populism is just uniparty with better marketing. Actual conservatism is the real answer, though we'll likely never get it.
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Classic Pharisee. Selling out for money.
J. Walter Weatherman
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BlackGold said:

Classic Pharisee. Selling out for money.


Agreed, Tucker has definitely sold out for Qatari money.
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He has spent no less than one hour of air time this week talking about things Trump is not doing well. This is not a change in direction for him. He has praised Trump for things that line up with conservatism(from Shaprios perspective) and criticized bad policy and bad politics when he has seen it from his predictive. This has been the case from the moment he went from being a NeverTrumper in 2015-16 to realizing that Trump, while flawed, actually does have the ability and intestinal fortitude to move the needle on conservative governance more than any of his GOP counterparts of the last 30 years.

Indeed. Trump was never my favorite Republican candidate, and he's done some stupid things. OTOH, the Democrats these days are totally evil, so having him in office is a huge improvement.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

BlackGold said:

Classic Pharisee. Selling out for money.


Agreed, Tucker has definitely sold out for Qatari money.


Thought this was a thread on Ben Shapiro?
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I can't stand any of these ****ers anymore, the only one I'll listen to is Crowder when he interviews people (not his regular show). I gave up Shapiro after he was totally disinterested in the real fraud that occurred during the 2020 election.

You don't need lies, hyperbole, exaggerations, or conspiracy theories for the right to win.

All you need is the truth about the degenerate left and ruthlessly call our their lying **** bag propagandists and corrupt/malfeasant Democrats.

The left will bury their own grave if Conservatives/Republicans stick to facts and refuse to cower to leftist propaganda.
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BlackGold said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

BlackGold said:

Classic Pharisee. Selling out for money.


Agreed, Tucker has definitely sold out for Qatari money.


Thought this was a thread on Ben Shapiro?


It's mostly about Shapiro's opinions of grifting pos's like Tucker, attention *****s like Fuentes and someone like Candace who probably belong in a mental hospital at this point. So I just assumed you were talking about Tucker, because otherwise your post makes no sense.
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bmks270 said:

Carlson's pivot to weird conspiracies is surprising. He just became a shock jock looking for controversy for click bait.

Owen's…. she completely lost her mind.


Ben Shapiro is one of the few bravehearts willing to stand and fight for the true Conservative soul of the United States.

I stand with Ben!!

HOLD THE LINE

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I dont know if tucker has gone "pure islam...."

But, he definitely would be cool with a Christian theocracy.

He also likes authoritarianism- he likes qatar (hes buying a house there) because its clean, safe and prosperous. He likes Moscow because its clean and safe.

He doesn't get into why those places are "clean and safe" and we could definitely stand to have our acceptable standards of behavior increased, but, not through some sort of christian authoritarianism.

I half think he doesnt care one bit for democracy. I think he'd prefer some sort of Christian technocracy if he had his choice
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We end up in the weeds the point is Ben thinks we should support Israel money weapons and blood. Tucker questions if we should be giving billions a year to a nation that really does nothing for us. Which I think is a fair question and if you ask you are automatically a antisemite.
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I love the talking heads infighting. Hopefully a real leader quietly rises up
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MouthBQ98 said:

When there is social uncertainty, conspiratorial thinking becomes popular in order to allow people to manufacture their own personal rationales for the unknown or unpredictable. We are in a cycle of that. And those conspiratorially prone thinkers are a ready built captive audience for those willing to feed and indulge those sentiments. It's a lucrative market of loyal consumers.

Magisterial insight and post as usual. You can apply this to many periods of history, and would bet (in some cases I know for sure) that the record shows such uncertainty was severe, and so the correlation you cite is valid.

As for this divided represented now by Shapiro and Tucker --- its quite wearing, because there is a certain intransigence in both.

Agree with most of Shaprio's stand, especially the points below. But also agree with Tucker's first few minutes (still watching that clip as want to see the whole speech) taking such a hard stance against "de-platforming" or any kind of appearance of shutting down an exploration. Because really, really resent controlled narratives because those in control rarely have truth rather than power and self-aggrandizement as their motive.

So agree with Tucker do not tamp down on that -- do not follow the Left's lead of both trying to suppress something and worse, demand of others to condemn it or be similarly labeled.


Shapiro is absolutely right thought, that "just asking questions" can and often is a dishonest approach meant to just muddy waters. MSM uses it constantly.

Or dwelling on something out of proportion -- Tucker and some others keep harping on the Liberty incident. While Kirk and others that downplayed it or tried to say it wasn't deliberate are wrong, believe it is a very Left-ish thing to do to dwell on something done in 1967 as a lens to judge Israel now. As have posted before, will even stipulate that it was shamelessly intentional -- but still not something to cite now---- KAL 007 was intentional. But it would have been out of line to continue to hit Yeltsin over the head with it. That said, it is kind of revealing it becomes a defensive point because its just not. The best you can say is we may yet learn there was a "sober war realities" solid reason for it, but haven't read it yet.


Shapiro's points though here are great:

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1) Our first duty is truth -- we owe you the truth. To clarity and honesty, not traffic in generality. No "they" and vague boogie men -- be specific. Name names.

2) We owe you the duty to speak out of principle, not out of personal feeling. (Do they foster justice freedom, and prosperity) Personal feeling is not a substitute for moral judgement) //Politics is about principal, it is not to be sacrificed for emotional solidarity.

3) We must take responsibility for what we say and do.
`glaze him'
`moral imbecility' or glazing that is what Tucker Carlson did.

[Tucker mainstreaming `most popular honest' Daryl Cooper -- fake historian]

4) We have a duty to provide evidence. You have to do more than just asking questions, they are "seeding distrust in the world and innervating you in the process" not effectuating a solution


5) Make audiences lives better, we have to posit and provide solutions as we do describe problems.

Query: What is glazing? Never heard that term --- or is it blazing, but even that doesn't ring in the context Shapiro used.


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PaulsBunions said:



Tucker responds at the beginning of his speech at the same event

For the other side, real important to watch Tucker's speech. Especially from the 7 minute mark some of the fight with ADL is because he went after their blatant de-facto endorsement of the anti-white agenda. He makes a very good pint about part of the point of America is the rejection of "blood guilt" and loading the past on the shoulders of the present. You want to see why he gets traction among a sizable block, its statements like this speech.

So we return to the point that both sides are somewhat intransigent and neither is really "all correct and the other anathema".
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One effect of this battle: I've quit listening, literally, to all of these people. Used to listen to all of them at least every now and then.
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I think it is a new term that has been coined to seemingly softball an interview of a person with controversial views by letting the interviewed person set up narratives and the interviewer essentially giving a sort of propaganda platform by not asking incisive or revealing follow up questions.
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Woo doggie he goes off on them. He's 100% correct as well.
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Great speech. Can't disagree with anything said.

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Jason C. said:

One effect of this battle: I've quit listening, literally, to all of these people. Used to listen to all of them at least every now and then.

LOL

I never started.

I don't need to listen to someone else's supposed principles, I have my own actual ones.

I really don't understand the desire to watch or listen to any of this **** . Either side.
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BigRobSA said:

Jason C. said:

One effect of this battle: I've quit listening, literally, to all of these people. Used to listen to all of them at least every now and then.

LOL

I never started.

I don't need to listen to someone else's supposed principles, I have my own actual ones.

I really don't understand the desire to watch or listen to any of this **** . Either side.


This.

These people make no money if problems are solved.
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Ozzy Osbourne said:

lol why does anyone listen to this guy any more? He is basically trying to be a gatekeeper for conservatives, and that backfires every single time. Why is Fuentes popular? Because of people like Shapiro

Hmmmmm ... let me see. He's amazingly intelligent, worldly, well-spoken, uncompromising, principled, calls it like he sees it, and criticizes both Democrats and Republicans, Conservatives and Liberals. Yeah, how could someone like that draw my attention and admiration?!
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TexasAggie81 said:

Ozzy Osbourne said:

lol why does anyone listen to this guy any more? He is basically trying to be a gatekeeper for conservatives, and that backfires every single time. Why is Fuentes popular? Because of people like Shapiro

Hmmmmm ... let me see. He's amazingly intelligent, worldly, well-spoken, uncompromising, principled, calls it like he sees it, and criticizes both Democrats and Republicans, Conservatives and Liberals. Yeah, how could someone like that draw my attention and admiration?!

The problem is he is 5-10 years behind on any idea that matters. If you want commentary from 2015, listen to Ben Shapiro. I'm sure in 2035 he'll finally understand how to Make America Great again. He didn't support Trump, he's been laughably wrong on tariffs and the economy, and maybe by 2035, he'll support peace in the middle east.

Plus, I'm just not as interested in Israel as Ben is. I am happy he criticizes Democrats and Republicans. How about criticizing Israel for once?

And now this knucklehead thinks he has the power to shut up Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson and tell them what to do? He is way out of his league.
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TexasAggie81 said:

Ozzy Osbourne said:

lol why does anyone listen to this guy any more? He is basically trying to be a gatekeeper for conservatives, and that backfires every single time. Why is Fuentes popular? Because of people like Shapiro

Hmmmmm ... let me see. He's amazingly intelligent, worldly, well-spoken, uncompromising, principled, calls it like he sees it, and criticizes both Democrats and Republicans, Conservatives and Liberals. Yeah, how could someone like that draw my attention and admiration?!



You're not supposed to like Shapiro because he's Jewish!!!


Come on brotha, didn't you get the memo?!?

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This Ben Shapiro?
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1 and 5 are immediately false. Not sure about the others.
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policywonk98 said:

shiftyandquick said:

Any claim Shapiro had for a better future for conservatism ended when he went full MAGA. That's the real problem. Groypers and the like are just the symptom of the disease.


You just indicated you've either never listened to a single minute of Shapiro in your life or you've listened very little.

Thankfully the movement has a Shapiro. Someone that has the ability to be intellectually honest and mention things that Trump does well and mentioned things Trump does not do well.

He has spent no less than one hour of air time this week talking about things Trump is not doing well. This is not a change in direction for him. He has praised Trump for things that line up with conservatism(from Shaprios perspective) and criticized bad policy and bad politics when he has seen it from his predictive. This has been the case from the moment he went from being a NeverTrumper in 2015-16 to realizing that Trump, while flawed, actually does have the ability and intestinal fortitude to move the needle on conservative governance more than any of his GOP counterparts of the last 30 years.

If GOP NeverTrumpers had just half the intellectual honesty of Shapiro Trump could have spent much less time having to wage a two front political battle from both the left and right flank. But of course a true beltway outsider like Trump didn't need the entrenched GOP beltway gatekeepers(ie neocons McCain, Romney, Cheney, Goldberg, Kristol, and the like)

But I digress, this is likely too inside baseball for you to comprehend.

Point is. While I don't agree with Shapiro on everything. Saying he is "all in" on MAGA is a really bad take.

This is an excellent take on Shapiro, with few exceptions. Although while Shapiro was defending Trump's address to the nation that was conducted last week, he had to curl up his argument -- that Trump's terrible speech was ultimately a good thing for Trump -- into an obtuse ball, he's still leaving himself room to defend his point. I still listen to Shapiro and Tucker, though Tucker has gotten weird! The best podcast is the All-In Podcast with Trump's AI policy guy David Sacks but I digress.

What the conservative movement has been missing since he died is William F. Buckley who was the conservative movement's gatekeeper. When the tea party movement fired up in 2008-2009, I recall all sorts of formerly "banned by Buckley" grifters going to tea party rallies -- Lyndon Larouche dorks, John Birchers, and (interestingly) Houston's Raging Elephants [dot] org Claver Kamau-Iman. IDK if Buckley would have allowed Apostle Claver into the fold, but doubt it.
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Foxnews thanking their lucky stars they fired Tucker.
Taxes are just a yearly subscription to the country you live in.
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If you're not smart enough to know Lauren Witzke is a moron you should block her so you don't get further infected with stupid ideas. Dishonest and stupid woman.
 
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