Shapiro draws line in the sand

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10:26a, 12/19/25
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Ben Shapiro stands up to the lunacy spouted by Owens and Carlson these days and the discussion is about oligarchy and grifting?

Do people not understand what grifting (and grafting) are and how oligarchies work?

Libs are really spinning themselves dizzy these days.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 10:27a, 12/19/25
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What lunacy is Tucker spouting? As I requested in another thread, please provide cites.
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10:30a, 12/19/25
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All 3 (Shapiro, Carlson, Owens) are paid shills.

If you're looking for truth there is only one place to find it….
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In reply to Queso1 • 10:33a, 12/19/25
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Queso1 said:
What lunacy is Tucker spouting? As I requested in another thread, please provide cites.


Why don't you tell us about how the things Tucker spends his time on these days is illuminating the "truth".
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In reply to BboroAg • 10:37a, 12/19/25
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Yep. They all hang out together and buddy buddy behind the scenes.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 10:39a, 12/19/25
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You made the allegation, you bear the burden. This seems to be commonplace for you. You post the allegation and then shirk the responsibility to back it up.

I'll make it simple for you. Give me 2 examples. Surely you have 2 examples to justify your decision to make your post. Please.
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10:40a, 12/19/25
Merry Christmas, Ben
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In reply to Queso1 • 10:41a, 12/19/25
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What lunacy is Tucker spouting? As I requested in another thread, please provide cites.

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In reply to shiftyandquick • 10:44a, 12/19/25
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shiftyandquick said:
Any claim Shapiro had for a better future for conservatism ended when he went full MAGA. That's the real problem. Groypers and the like are just the symptom of the disease.


You just indicated you've either never listened to a single minute of Shapiro in your life or you've listened very little.

Thankfully the movement has a Shapiro. Someone that has the ability to be intellectually honest and mention things that Trump does well and mentioned things Trump does not do well.

He has spent no less than one hour of air time this week talking about things Trump is not doing well. This is not a change in direction for him. He has praised Trump for things that line up with conservatism(from Shaprios perspective) and criticized bad policy and bad politics when he has seen it from his predictive. This has been the case from the moment he went from being a NeverTrumper in 2015-16 to realizing that Trump, while flawed, actually does have the ability and intestinal fortitude to move the needle on conservative governance more than any of his GOP counterparts of the last 30 years.

If GOP NeverTrumpers had just half the intellectual honesty of Shapiro Trump could have spent much less time having to wage a two front political battle from both the left and right flank. But of course a true beltway outsider like Trump didn't need the entrenched GOP beltway gatekeepers(ie neocons McCain, Romney, Cheney, Goldberg, Kristol, and the like)

But I digress, this is likely too inside baseball for you to comprehend.

Point is. While I don't agree with Shapiro on everything. Saying he is "all in" on MAGA is a really bad take.
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In reply to Queso1 • 10:46a, 12/19/25
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Gipper took care of your demands. You arent new here and there are whole threads on Tucker and Candace. Why must you try and derail here and then try to make if about me?

And no, I am under zero obligation to source known facts. Sky is mostly blue in DFW today. Source: my eyeballs.

I shouldn't need to produce pictures and a weather report for things that are obvious and easily confirmed.
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10:46a, 12/19/25
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I'm not sure the OP and Shapiro's speech has anything to do with Trump, or what Trump has or hasn't done with the GOP.
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10:47a, 12/19/25
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This thread needs music…

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In reply to flown-the-coop • 10:50a, 12/19/25
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Two of those are absolute facts. One was a bad prediction. The other is an opinion with some merit: pure Islam shares more with traditional American values than leftist insanity.

I'm still waiting for evidence of lunacy.
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In reply to Queso1 • 10:52a, 12/19/25

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Two of those are absolute facts.

You lie. Sad, but expected.

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One was a bad prediction.

And? It was still lunacy.

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The other is an opinion with some merit: pure Islam shares more with traditional American values than leftist insanity.

An opinion can still be lunacy.

pure Islam has ZERO in common with traditional American value. Same with leftist insanity.

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In reply to Im Gipper • 10:55a, 12/19/25
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Israeli bombs didn't kill Christians in a church?

Zero? Nothing? Recognizing the importance of traditional family? Opposition to the gender nonsense? Subservience to God? I'd rather live next door to a Muslim than a leftist.
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10:56a, 12/19/25
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What the hell is "pure Islam"? I am one of the more friendly posters regarding muslims and pumping sharia law has no place in these United States.

Egyptian planes was absolutely debunked. It's trolling at this point to keep bringing it up.

Certainly the take on Israel and Christian churches deserves a broader discussion vs a derail here.

The Egyptian planes ******nesses is more than enough to confirm a lunacy determination.
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In reply to Queso1 • 11:00a, 12/19/25
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Israeli bombs didn't kill Christians in a church?

Just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

Carlson implied Israel INTENTIONALLY is murdering Christians by bombing Churches That is a LIE.

Yet, at the same time he says how great Qatar is for Christians, where is it literally illegal to convert!


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11:00a, 12/19/25
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I'm going throw out there that it is lunacy to host/platform/lend credibility while treating with kid gloves a number Tucker's interviewees going back to Putin. Nodding thoughtfully along to Nick Fuentes or Candace Owen's or a number of fellow Jew-conspiracy theorists is "lunacy".
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In reply to Im Gipper • 11:00a, 12/19/25
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He never said it was intentional. Never once.
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In reply to Queso1 • 11:04a, 12/19/25
Queso1 said:
He never said it was intentional. Never once.

In that clip, HE LITERALLY SAID THEY MURDERED THE CHRISTIANS!!!

Here with ClownDave, he says it was intentional "not an accident"



You either just don't pay attention or are intentionally distorting the truth! For your sake, I hope it is the former!

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In reply to Belton Ag • 11:04a, 12/19/25
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Belton Ag said:
I'm not sure the OP and Shapiro's speech has anything to do with Trump, or what Trump has or hasn't done with the GOP.


This is actually spot on. Shapiro is actually launching the warning flair about what the movement has to figure out for the future post-Trump. Because there are many red flags out there right now. He is starting with his own industry and the responsibility they have to the conservative movement to not trade in lies.

I will be critical of Shapiro himself here. Long before Owens was ever fired from DailyWire I wondered why she was being platformed by them. They waited way too long to pull the plug on platforming her.
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In reply to Queso1 • 11:05a, 12/19/25
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Queso1 said:
bmks270 said:
Carlson's pivot to weird conspiracies is surprising. He just became a shock jock looking for controversy for click bait.

Owen's…. she completely lost her mind.


Which weird conspiracy theory are you talking about? Epstein? 9/11? JFK? Covid? Israeli controlled congressmen?

Those used to seem weird to me, but after the last 5 years, I don't believe a bit of the official gaslighting narrative.

Literally none of these are conspiracy theories lol

They're verified fact.
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In reply to shiftyandquick • 11:13a, 12/19/25
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shiftyandquick said:
Any claim Shapiro had for a better future for conservatism ended when he went full MAGA. That's the real problem. Groypers and the like are just the symptom of the disease.


The same for people like you when you fully embraced and aligned with progressive leftists because you didn't like Trump.
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In reply to Ervin Burrell • 11:17a, 12/19/25
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Ervin Burrell said:
Queso1 said:
Fiscal conservatism has left the building. Today it's 100% about culture wars. This was intentional and allows both parties to rob the middle class blind.

Yup. "It's a big club, and you ain't in it." The country/world is run by billionaires, and the meaningless political sh/t that is spewed by both sides is to keep the sheep distracted. Something that I learned when I was in middle school, yet there's still millions of dipsh/ts out there who think politics actually matter.


If it doesn't matter then why are you on politics board if not to troll? I guess that explains why you never discuss policy and only troll Trump supporters.
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In reply to Ozzy Osbourne • 11:21a, 12/19/25
Ozzy Osbourne said:
Why is Fuentes popular?


I blame public school.
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11:27a, 12/19/25
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No love for Glen Beck on this thread?
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In reply to BigRobSA • 11:28a, 12/19/25
BigRobSA said:
Ozzy Osbourne said:
Why is Fuentes popular?


I blame public school.

He is not nearly as popular as his fanboys claim. Elon Musk exposed all of that.

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In reply to policywonk98 • 11:36a, 12/19/25
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policywonk98 said:
Belton Ag said:
I'm not sure the OP and Shapiro's speech has anything to do with Trump, or what Trump has or hasn't done with the GOP.


This is actually spot on. Shapiro is actually launching the warning flair about what the movement has to figure out for the future post-Trump. Because there are many red flags out there right now. He is starting with his own industry and the responsibility they have to the conservative movement to not trade in lies.

I will be critical of Shapiro himself here. Long before Owens was ever fired from DailyWire I wondered why she was being platformed by them. They waited way too long to pull the plug on platforming her.

I suspect they needed her brand, followers, and presence on social media. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual vetting of ideas was secondary.

She fell into the Fun Zone of the crazy/hot matrix but Shapiro and crew ultimately wasn't able to keep her away from trending into the Danger Zone
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11:43a, 12/19/25
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I always take some umbrage with throw away comments that we are focused on culture wars as if focusing on culture is not relevant.

Culture is downstream from religion and politics. You end up with an inferior culture if you aren't squared away with the right religion and have common sense, sane politics...IOW not leftism.

We are living that right now. Do we really think culture is just irrelevant fodder for talking heads when there has been such momentum in this country for 20 years to utterly destroy the best culture on the planet?

We have culture wars now because the Democrats have allowed in millions of people who live and breath inferior culture practices, and then they have fomented and promoted practices of inferior cultures within our native citizenry.

Obama: "I will fundamentally change this country."

You can't just scoff and say "culture wars" as if culture doesn't matter.
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In reply to Im Gipper • 12:01p, 12/19/25
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Im Gipper said:
Queso1 said:
He never said it was intentional. Never once.

In that clip, HE LITERALLY SAID THEY MURDERED THE CHRISTIANS!!!

Here with ClownDave, he says it was intentional "not an accident"



You either just don't pay attention or are intentionally distorting the truth! For your sake, I hope it is the former!


I'm not saying it was intentional and I don't think he's saying it was intentional. His point is that they can put a guided bomb in your bedroom, but they cannot miss a church? And they never apologized for it. And American Christians dont care for the same reason they don't care about the Christian massacres in Africa.
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In reply to Queso1 • 12:03p, 12/19/25
You have to be kidding at this point.

He literally said that they murdered those Christians in the churches, and then it was not done by accident.

Please explain how that means he thinks it not intentional?


And is there any faction of the Republican Party that agrees with Tucker's lunacy about Muslims?




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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 12:05p, 12/19/25
Who?mikejones! said:
Ben Shapiro has draw a line in the metaphorical sand of the conservative movement in a speech at tpusa. Imo, he is attempting to box out Carlson, owens and the groypers of the world and reset it back to more traditional conservative thought.

Hope he wins




I agree with him. And I say that as someone who despises all white liberals, and by default, most American Jews. I also say it as someone who can't stand the whiny 'persecution complex' of some conservative Jews like Ben Shapiro...being Jewish makes no one special in my book...and I certainly do not feel sorry for you or prioritize your 'plight' over anyone else's.

The ONLY victim in this county with legitimate grievances, is the middle class imo. Well, that and white Gen Z males.
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 12:11p, 12/19/25
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No Spin Ag said:
Queso1 said:
Fiscal conservatism has left the building. Today it's 100% about culture wars. This was intentional and allows both parties to rob the middle class blind.


So much this.



I'm a 2 issue voter. Economics and personal freedom. That's all I want the government to care about. Every sub decision should be about how to promote those two things.


Sadly, there isn't any political party in the US supporting either. In fact. Both major parties are attacking our economic sustainability and our personal freedoms.


All I get to vote for is who will do less harm to each, every time. My best hope is a slow burn.
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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 12:13p, 12/19/25
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Remember that all of those folks (Shapiro, Tucker, Owens, Kelly, etc) are people who have become super wealthy being in the conservative social media pundit and podcaster business. They are business people with brands and marketing. They are entertainers and celebrities.

Each has a particular demographic they are trying to primarily appeal to, which helps make money. It is not one-size-fits-all. Owen is all in on selling conspiracy theories. Tucker now targets his appeal to those who are anti-Deep State, where the USA government is always doing bad stuff, and is too tied to Israel, whether Dem or GOP led. And Shapiro is a more mainstream conservative approach, pro-Israel with typically a bit greater appeal to moderates. Sometimes these folks step on each others toes because of their different roles in the overall political media game.
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12:26p, 12/19/25
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60yr old Gen X'er here. Count me firmly in the anti Shapiro camp.
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