if 80% of the service is EMS, is that the secondary mission? Being a captain in the NYFD under republican and democrat mayors is not easy.
Mamdani's new fire chief has never been a firefighter.
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It is a civilian position, more upper management than anything, a paper pusher. The head of DOE isn't a teacher, head of HHS isn't a doctor…but nobody is upset about that.
At the end of the day it's another person being chosen for a critical position because of their characteristics and not their status as most qualified for the job.
This is how civilizations rot from within until they collapse when important jobs are given to less or totally unqualified people because they are loyal party members. It's what turns any country into a ****hole 3rd world country overrun by corruption and incompetence
This is how civilizations rot from within until they collapse when important jobs are given to less or totally unqualified people because they are loyal party members. It's what turns any country into a ****hole 3rd world country overrun by corruption and incompetence
All letters objecting to the mayor's choice will be postmarked return to cinder.
. We will never know since they were in the closetTexasAggiesWin said:
What an odd headline within the tweet, "She will serve as the NYFD's first openly gay commissioner."
Was there a previous closeted gay person serving as commissioner for the FDNY?
Bet she/her/it has been to Fire Island. ; )
The current NYPD Commissioner was never a cop.
Yeah because that worked out super well for LA
Aggie97 said:
The current NYPD Commissioner was never a cop.
And crime spiked way, way up. Ultimately, this type of incompetence is a function of the type of city governance they have.
When there is a City Manager type system who has to justify police and fire chief hires to a city council, those are professional hires. Police chiefs and fire chiefs often move to other cities, bigger cities because they have experience at running a department. They go through an interview process and are usually vetted.
That is not the same as saying all of those City Manager hires are great as politics do come into play, sadly and some turkeys manage to fail up over and over. On the police side, Art Acevedo comes to mind. How that guy kept failing up was a lesson in how unions play a larger role than they should have.
Dang the last guy DEFINITELY had experience as a firefighter though right?
Otherwise what would be the point of this whole thread?
Otherwise what would be the point of this whole thread?
Firefighting has been gay since the village people
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
Since possessing the actual experience to do the job is not a big deal to some posters here, why even have the position in the first place if they don't do anything nor have any effects on the Department.
If she was hired because of her qualifications there would be no reason to put "first openly gay" front and center.
When NYC elected a socialist to be their mayor, the sentiment was 'let it burn'.
I didn't realize they were literally gonna let it burn.
I didn't realize they were literally gonna let it burn.
HumpitPuryear said:
If she was hired because of her qualifications there would be no reason to put "first openly gay" front and center.
Plus saying her lack of experience doesn't matter. Completely irrelevant. Might as well hire Kurt Russell since he played a firefighter in a movie once if it doesn't matter.
They will heretofore be referred to as scissor trucks instead of ladder trucks
aggiehawg said:
Since possessing the actual experience to do the job is not a big deal to some posters here, why even have the position in the first place if they don't do anything nor have any effects on the Department.
Because she's not the Fire Chief.
Here's a Texas example:
The Austin Fire Chief reports to a civilian City Manager. The City Manager actually puts an Assistant City Manager between them (the former was a Dallas Police Chief).
Externally, Austin City Council oversees AFD via the Public Safety Commission - a group of appointed civilians that make public safety recommendations. They may or may not have any public safety experience.
This is normal for public safety governance. It's just a bunch of civilians overseeing the Fire Chief.
In Mamdani's case, he actually made a decision that's more in line with modern FDNY operations.
I give Mamdani zero credit for this appointment because it feels more like a squirrel lucking into an acorn. However, the reality is that he appointed a highly qualified civilian who has *potential* to do good things in their position.
Ok why do we need to know she's gay? What does that have to do with the job? I've never had "openly heterosexual" as part of any of my assignments or promotion announcements. It's clearly more important than fire fighting knowledge or skills in this case which is why there's blowback on this.
. Was she good as the chief EMT?Captain Pablo said:
She's been a first responder for decades, chief EMT for last 3 years of her career
This isn't a Lina Hidalgo situation
I don't believe in DEI and agree the appointment looks bad. I was a firefighter for 24 years and knew of two men who turned out to be gay. They were both very good firefighters and one of them served as Fire Chief for 16 years.
Tex100 said:. Was she good as the chief EMT?Captain Pablo said:
She's been a first responder for decades, chief EMT for last 3 years of her career
This isn't a Lina Hidalgo situation
I dunno
The rage is she's not a fireman
Who cares. It's not a big deal
TrumpsBarber said:
I don't believe in DEI and agree the appointment looks bad. I was a firefighter for 24 years and knew of two men who turned out to be gay. They were both very good firefighters and one of them served as Fire Chief for 16 years.
The Hubs served with gay FFs. Even lesbians. He didn't care as long as they could do the job. We ran into one of his buddies, Dawn, at the airport one time during a trip. She was short but stocky and he told me she could drag him out of a fire scene if necessary and he trusted her to do that.
That's what it is about, trust. Can a person do the job and not let down the people who are depending on them to make the right call? Because right or wrong, they will do what they are instructed and trained to do. Not just put the wet stuff on the red stuff but run into burning buildings, get on the roofs of burning buildings to ventilate them, tear down wallboards with fire behind them. Run up many flights of stairs wit a full pack and breathing apparatus.
How many paramedics do that? None.
A great example of what DEI has brought us. Is she the most qualified for the job, it doesn't matter because DEI has made that not a requisite.
Even if she's the best, the question will always linger, especially when her "victim" category is the lead qualifier.
Even if she's the best, the question will always linger, especially when her "victim" category is the lead qualifier.
You mean a radical feminist studies degree and a lesbian lover doesn't qualify you for life and death decisions in the nation's biggest city? You don't say... pic.twitter.com/SXTbnHVGDT
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Within the last 20 years most places that are staying with the times so to say have either 100% paramedics or require it to promote. Like it or not the fire service is at least 70% EMS. Fire departments are an EMS service that happens to own fire trucks, not the other way around.
aggiehawg said:ts5641 said:
Absolutely meaningless to the left. Qualifications mean nothing. Gender, sex, class, and race are the only things that matter.
I can guaradamntee you she will change the levels of testing and physical training for incoming and existing firefighters. The most important thing to a firefighter responding to a call is the ability to trust your fellow firefighters to have your back. Firefighting takes a team that works together. No weak links.
Instead of improving the ability to fight fires, she'll send counselors to talk the fires into stopping.
Jugstore Cowboy said:
Biggest city in America, and they couldn't find a gay firefighter.
A gay female. May not be a lot that meet that criteria.
EFR said:
Within the last 20 years most places that are staying with the times so to say have either 100% paramedics or require it to promote. Like it or not the fire service is at least 70% EMS. Fire departments are an EMS service that happens to own fire trucks, not the other way around.
WRONG! EMTs are wienies. They could never be firefighters at a fire scene. Don't even have the equipment, basic stuff like turnouts, helmets with breathing apparatus. They don't respond with 60-70 pounds of protective equipment on them running up dozens of flights of stairs. Nor could they remotely drive most firetruck vehicles.
EMTs are not diving in to find floaters. Not doing high angle rescues. They are not dragging out crispy critters. Not bagging and tagging those until after the firefighters have done so.
When The Hubs first started, they had to wash out those body bags for reuse.
Most dangerous thing EMTs do are fly in helicopters on Starflights.
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Science Denier said:Jugstore Cowboy said:
Biggest city in America, and they couldn't find a gay firefighter.
A gay female. May not be a lot that meet that criteria.
You'd be surprised. I know one personally locally. An awesome person and followed in her dad's footsteps in the FD. She is still young but rising in the ranks organically. I am sure there are more like her who would deserve a leadership position over these trolls like here and Los Angeles
You apparently don't realize that you have to be an EMT to be FF certified in the state of Texas, has been that way for at least the last 20 years. Nobody cares about the "old days", the way it is NOW is what matters.
Guys ambulance have their bunker gear and air packs. Everyone is interchangeable, ride backwards, drive an engine, take a patient. It is what you are paid to do.
Guys ambulance have their bunker gear and air packs. Everyone is interchangeable, ride backwards, drive an engine, take a patient. It is what you are paid to do.
Emotional Support Cobra said:Science Denier said:Jugstore Cowboy said:
Biggest city in America, and they couldn't find a gay firefighter.
A gay female. May not be a lot that meet that criteria.
You'd be surprised. I know one personally locally. An awesome person and followed in her dad's footsteps in the FD. She is still young but rising in the ranks organically. I am sure there are more like her who would deserve a leadership position over these trolls like here and Los Angeles
Can do the job is A-okay.
aggiehawg said:TrumpsBarber said:
I don't believe in DEI and agree the appointment looks bad. I was a firefighter for 24 years and knew of two men who turned out to be gay. They were both very good firefighters and one of them served as Fire Chief for 16 years.
The Hubs served with gay FFs. Even lesbians. He didn't care as long as they could do the job. We ran into one of his buddies, Dawn, at the airport one time during a trip. She was short but stocky and he told me she could drag him out of a fire scene if necessary and he trusted her to do that.
That's what it is about, trust. Can a person do the job and not let down the people who are depending on them to make the right call? Because right or wrong, they will do what they are instructed and trained to do. Not just put the wet stuff on the red stuff but run into burning buildings, get on the roofs of burning buildings to ventilate them, tear down wallboards with fire behind them. Run up many flights of stairs wit a full pack and breathing apparatus.
How many paramedics do that? None.
I said that it appears she was a bad hire. I have never known a Fire Chief who was fit to run up flights of stairs with full bunker gear and SCBA, but some of them were good chiefs.
The only thing worse than those who define themselves by their abnormality are those who select people due to their being abnormal. It appears that is what Mamdani has done. It looks as if that matters a lot to him.
Without commenting on this Commissioner, I can tell you the background of my Dad who was a Fire Chief for 9 years.
The City had 100K or slightly more residents, 2 Major Private Universities(one with a nuclear reactor) plus at least one small one. Daytime Pop rose to 400K. It also had a subway system running underneath the City. Most of the homes were wood frame pre WW 2 Construction and it was all within an area slightly smaller than the A&M Campus. There was a lot of early tech plus other more industrial type businesses including chemical.
The Department had 8 Engine, 4 Ladder(one was an Aerial Tower) and a Heavy Rescue Companies,
Historically water pressure was an issue, so each Engine Company had a Pumper and a Hose Wagon.
When there was a Fire Alarm, they dispatched 3 Engine Companies, 2 Ladder Companies, the Rescue and a Deputy Chief.
Each shift had two Deputies and they split the City (so in some Cities they might be considered Battalion or District Chiefs). The City had 4 shifts or Groups, that would work 2 10 hour days then 2 14 hour nights then have 72 hours off, so the week was 8 Days, and then repeat.
Each Company had a Lieutenant on three shifts and the Company Captain on one.
So on any given shift you would have 2 Deputies and 3 Captains.
In my Dad's day to become a fire fighter you had to take an exam on Fire Fighting, and pass rigorous fitness test. I took the Exam 20 years later and it had become a watered down asvab. You then went to the State Fire academy(which they still do)
For each promotion you had to take a Civil Service exam, which were all about Fire Fighting.
Most Firefighters were either second or third Gen, and or former military. A large percentage
were Irish Catholic, just like in the Movies. Before joining the Fire Department
Dad was a Sargent in the 1st Combat Engineers USMC, spending a nice winter on the DMZ.
As my Dad rose through the ranks, he worked on Ladder and Engine Companies and one of his Captain assignments was the Rescue Squad. The Rescue Squad members were all Firefighters that were also EMTs.
That was the 70s when Paramedics were just a few years old and introduced to the nation via the show EMERGENCY.
So as soon as he became a Captain, he immediately had shifts where he was an Acting Deputy Chief to cover for vacations. After about 8 years as a Captain, he had another 9 or so as a full Deputy Chief. While a Deputy, he covered half the city for many of the years, but also had an assignment as the first Chief of Arson.
He ate a lot of smoke, broke a lot of bones, and when I was in high school received last rites.
So when he came in first for the chiefs exam, he was pretty well prepared. During his tenure, they solved the water pressure problem and became one of the first ISO Class 1 Fire Departments in the Nation(there were about 32 back then). He had almost 30 years on the job when he became Chief
When he had his interview for the Chiefs job, they asked him was his greatest accomplishment or something like that. He said delivering a baby. What he was proudest of as a Chief for almost a decade, was never having a Fire Fighter die on the job.
So that's my example of what it means to be prepared to run a fire department.
The City had 100K or slightly more residents, 2 Major Private Universities(one with a nuclear reactor) plus at least one small one. Daytime Pop rose to 400K. It also had a subway system running underneath the City. Most of the homes were wood frame pre WW 2 Construction and it was all within an area slightly smaller than the A&M Campus. There was a lot of early tech plus other more industrial type businesses including chemical.
The Department had 8 Engine, 4 Ladder(one was an Aerial Tower) and a Heavy Rescue Companies,
Historically water pressure was an issue, so each Engine Company had a Pumper and a Hose Wagon.
When there was a Fire Alarm, they dispatched 3 Engine Companies, 2 Ladder Companies, the Rescue and a Deputy Chief.
Each shift had two Deputies and they split the City (so in some Cities they might be considered Battalion or District Chiefs). The City had 4 shifts or Groups, that would work 2 10 hour days then 2 14 hour nights then have 72 hours off, so the week was 8 Days, and then repeat.
Each Company had a Lieutenant on three shifts and the Company Captain on one.
So on any given shift you would have 2 Deputies and 3 Captains.
In my Dad's day to become a fire fighter you had to take an exam on Fire Fighting, and pass rigorous fitness test. I took the Exam 20 years later and it had become a watered down asvab. You then went to the State Fire academy(which they still do)
For each promotion you had to take a Civil Service exam, which were all about Fire Fighting.
Most Firefighters were either second or third Gen, and or former military. A large percentage
were Irish Catholic, just like in the Movies. Before joining the Fire Department
Dad was a Sargent in the 1st Combat Engineers USMC, spending a nice winter on the DMZ.
As my Dad rose through the ranks, he worked on Ladder and Engine Companies and one of his Captain assignments was the Rescue Squad. The Rescue Squad members were all Firefighters that were also EMTs.
That was the 70s when Paramedics were just a few years old and introduced to the nation via the show EMERGENCY.
So as soon as he became a Captain, he immediately had shifts where he was an Acting Deputy Chief to cover for vacations. After about 8 years as a Captain, he had another 9 or so as a full Deputy Chief. While a Deputy, he covered half the city for many of the years, but also had an assignment as the first Chief of Arson.
He ate a lot of smoke, broke a lot of bones, and when I was in high school received last rites.
So when he came in first for the chiefs exam, he was pretty well prepared. During his tenure, they solved the water pressure problem and became one of the first ISO Class 1 Fire Departments in the Nation(there were about 32 back then). He had almost 30 years on the job when he became Chief
When he had his interview for the Chiefs job, they asked him was his greatest accomplishment or something like that. He said delivering a baby. What he was proudest of as a Chief for almost a decade, was never having a Fire Fighter die on the job.
So that's my example of what it means to be prepared to run a fire department.
More importantly, and I know there's some lgbtq+ on here, why do lesbians, who don't like men, always try and look like a dude? They don't desire the man, but they try and look like, you guessed it, a man.
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