A "conservative" in California is a concerned moderate/RINO in Texas.

Where does Hawaii fall on the list?

tx1c said:

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Where does Hawaii fall on the list?

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Far left wing.

No Spin Ag said:

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IIIHorn said:

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The migration of Californians is causing a widespread proliferation of houses painted in Pepto Bismol colors across several states.

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On top of increased housing costs and all other increased costs that happen because of this.

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This what I saw in Colorado in the late 80s. First the increase in rent and then the god awful houses. I love CO but CA ruined it for the natives.

Logos Stick said:

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Cali comes in last again in the U Haul growth index. People are leaving! Texas moved from #2 to #1.

"The 10 worst ranked states in the U-Haul Growth Index are Michigan, Connecticut, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and California."

I expect New York to overtake Cali during Mamdani's reign of Marxist terror.

https://www.uhaul.com/Articles/About/U-Haul-Growth-Index-Texas-Back-ON-Top-As-No-1-Growth-State-Of-2025-36556/

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More H1Bs moving into Texas!

Not sure you want to be celebrating.

ts5641 said:

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FriscoKid said:

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This is not good for TX. I'd prefer they stay out there and enjoy what they vote for. We are full up in here. No room left.

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I've been pleasantly surprised with most of the California transplants. They're pretty conservative.

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Why are they moving out of CA though? Curious as I plan to move IN to CA this year.

infinity ag said:

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ts5641 said:

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FriscoKid said:

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This is not good for TX. I'd prefer they stay out there and enjoy what they vote for. We are full up in here. No room left.

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I've been pleasantly surprised with most of the California transplants. They're pretty conservative.

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Why are they moving out of CA though? Curious as I plan to move IN to CA this year.

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Cost of living is through the roof. Energy prices about to explode driving cost of all goods and produce even higher. Plus its anti business, pro crime, and they make the dumbest possible choices. I left 11 years ago when I thought it was expensive. Its so much worse now.

The Californians I meet that have moved here to Arizona are conservative and fed up with living in a socialist, tax heavy, business hating state.

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panhandlefarmer said:

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I used this to my advantage when evaluating where to invest in multi family housing investments.

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White supremacy!!!!!!1

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In business, the only color that matters is green!

infinity ag said:

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ts5641 said:

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FriscoKid said:

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This is not good for TX. I'd prefer they stay out there and enjoy what they vote for. We are full up in here. No room left.

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I've been pleasantly surprised with most of the California transplants. They're pretty conservative.

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Why are they moving out of CA though? Curious as I plan to move IN to CA this year.

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Are you serious? Have you seen how increasingly backwards insane their leadership and policy has gotten? Covid, and California's completely psychotic response to that, was a huge driver and wake-up call for many. You would have thought they would have corrected at some point, but they keep doubling down.

They are driving a vastly disproportionate amount of producers, hard workers, wealth, high IQ people out of the state.

California is a phenomenal geographic location. If I won the mega millions, i would probably buy a mansion somewhere along the Newport Coast, or down around La Jolla....but those are red bubbles and if you have enough wealth, you are insulated from the crushing burdens in that state.

You have to TRY to ruin a beautiful place of abundant resources like California. Progressivism is a cancer.

Oh, and housing costs are mind blowing. Here is what $1.2MM gets you in Glendale CA (pretty avg/modest place)...an outdated 1,300 SF 3/1 zoned to avg schools...

infinity ag said:

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ts5641 said:

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FriscoKid said:

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This is not good for TX. I'd prefer they stay out there and enjoy what they vote for. We are full up in here. No room left.

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I've been pleasantly surprised with most of the California transplants. They're pretty conservative.

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Why are they moving out of CA though? Curious as I plan to move IN to CA this year.

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Why and what part? Genuinely curious as we have not necessarily ruled out blue states for retirement since Texas is actually not a great retirement state from a purely financial position.

No Spin Ag said:

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IIIHorn said:

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The migration of Californians is causing a widespread proliferation of houses painted in Pepto Bismol colors across several states.

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On top of increased housing costs and all other increased costs that happen because of this.

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In my opinion, the Pepto Bismol color scheme decreases the value of the whole neighborhood.

1. Cost of Living - Stated everywhere. This is a very expensive place to live.
2. The great sort - Many conservatives have tapped out and would rather live in a place more to their cultural and political tastes.

Actual reality of living here:
If you're an outdoorsy person and make enough to be on the property ladder without stretching yourself, this is an amazing place to be. Culturally, CA is more tolerant of heterodoxy than other places I've lived (Texas and DC) where being outside the mainstream culture is viewed with more suspicion. For awhile I thought I'd eventually migrate out for saner political climates, but day to day actually how I spend my time (surfing, yoga, trail running, camping, church, coaching kids), life satisfaction is 10/10 and I don't see how leaving here would on net make my life better.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Keep in mind these are mostly more conservative Californians that have been fighting a slow losing battle over there and have finally realized they can't save their home, and that their leftist neighbors hate and resent them, so they're moving to places where they can live amongst a more conservative population.

The leftists have not yet run out of other people's money and have not yet sufficiently ruined the place and are staying there to try to implement their utopian delusions.

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Yep. The locusts have not stopped feeding yet because there's still some food left...

I am only wary of those transplants from liberal hell holes that were moved here as the companies they worked for moved here. Most are fleeing the leftist progressive policies Governor Newscum and his idiot minions institute.

Anyone should wait a year. The refinery issue is going to have a tremendous impact on life in CA. Theyre losing 20% of capacity, there is no magic bullet to fix this. US refineries out of CA dont make their Ludacris blen of fuel, putting them at the mercy of SE Asia refineries. Which will now be more subject to weather delays. On top of that, I read theyre not going to increase capacity so the ability to surge product to fill the gap will not happen.

Its not just the price at the pump, but all deliveries and products are going to feel the burn. Im betting businesses will discover their energy costs are going to increase production cost above what they can retail products for.

Then they'll leave. I bet the mass exodus will increase and the middle class will disappear.

Buck Turgidson said:

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A "conservative" in California is a concerned moderate/RINO in Texas.

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A few years back, we got new next door neighbors. We were a little concerned when we found out that they were from CA.

But, it wasn't long before we realized they would be pretty cool. First, we found on the names of their two German Shepherds were Kimber and Ruger...

Then, flying their Trump flag on the canal.

Whew!!!

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infinity ag said:

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ts5641 said:

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FriscoKid said:

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This is not good for TX. I'd prefer they stay out there and enjoy what they vote for. We are full up in here. No room left.

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I've been pleasantly surprised with most of the California transplants. They're pretty conservative.

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Why are they moving out of CA though? Curious as I plan to move IN to CA this year.

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Why and what part? Genuinely curious as we have not necessarily ruled out blue states for retirement since Texas is actually not a great retirement state from a purely financial position.

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I am stuck in the mid part of the country for the last many decades and it is slowly dying. My wife and I will be empty-nesters this years so time to move out of there and experience life elsewhere before we get too old or die.

I am in tech and many of my friends are on the West Coast, in the SF Bay Area. I wish I had gone there right out of A&M but destiny wanted something else for me. I am looking forward to good weather, a better social circle and more outdoors things to do as I slowly move toward retirement.

What part? Not decided yet, but it will be somewhere San Jose, Los Gatos or surroundings. I have an old friend who lives in Saratoga in a $5M+ place and I hear that is pretty upscale. He worked many decades at Apple so that explains that. We don't have school district constraints anymore, just it needs to be safe with low crime.

I know a move to CA is NOT a good financial decision but I don't want to think of everything in dollars and cents. I won't take even $0.01 with me when I die. If you have read some of my earlier posts, I talk about investing and how it helps me make money at a rate faster than a job ever could. I have accumulated a sizable portfolio that makes me feel confident I can pull this off. I have no debt either. I don't plan on focusing too much on a career anymore in the coming years.

Buck Turgidson said:

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A "conservative" in California is a concerned moderate/RINO in Texas.

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No True Scotsman fallacy. There are Trump flags, Q adjacent decals on fully loaded Ford F150s, don't tread on me flags, letters to the editor in the local newspaper, etc. that are just part of the fabric of my community and seen on the daily. The reality of how humans act in the real world is often in conflict with easy heuristics.

Malibu said:

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Actual reality of living here:
If you're an outdoorsy person and make enough to be on the property ladder without stretching yourself, this is an amazing place to be. Culturally, CA is more tolerant of heterodoxy than other places I've lived (Texas and DC) where being outside the mainstream culture is viewed with more suspicion. For awhile I thought I'd eventually migrate out for saner political climates, but day to day actually how I spend my time (surfing, yoga, trail running, camping, church, coaching kids), life satisfaction is 10/10 and I don't see how leaving here would on net make my life better.

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While it feels funny to read "CA" (aka libs) and "tolerance" in the same sentence, I do agree with your overall statement. Certain parts of SoCal are just about the only places I could realistically see myself living in a tiny home with little to no amenities and being perfectly fine with it from a 'quality of life' standpoint..as long as we weren't in a psycho area and were zoned to good schools. When we go out there, we are outdoors almost constantly...our small family is very outdoorsy by nature and we love the water so we try to make it out there almost once a year.

I have found San Diego to be one of the most generally friendly major cities I have ever been to. Orange County doesn't seem to have lost it's m arbles completely either.

If it weren't for close family ties, we would probably be out there in a tiny cramped costal rental...b*tching about the cost of it, and everything else, but still satisfied with life.

Sometimes, but with like 40 something million people, a LOT of them are still going to be pretty conservative in general. They're just outnumbered by loons and greedy takers on the left over there, which is why they are starting to leave in numbers now.

Malibu said:

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1. Cost of Living - Stated everywhere. This is a very expensive place to live.
2. The great sort - Many conservatives have tapped out and would rather live in a place more to their cultural and political tastes.

Actual reality of living here:
If you're an outdoorsy person and make enough to be on the property ladder without stretching yourself, this is an amazing place to be. Culturally, CA is more tolerant of heterodoxy than other places I've lived (Texas and DC) where being outside the mainstream culture is viewed with more suspicion. For awhile I thought I'd eventually migrate out for saner political climates, but day to day actually how I spend my time (surfing, yoga, trail running, camping, church, coaching kids), life satisfaction is 10/10 and I don't see how leaving here would on net make my life better.

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Thank you!

Yes, I am tracking the San Jose housing market as I prepare mentally for a move, so it won't be a shock. It seems like the prices are falling over the past 12 months because of layoffs and such. The fall will accelerate as H1Bs are pushed out, many own houses even on temp visas and will be forced to sell.

I have no problem with people of different viewpoints, so that isn't an issue for me. I have many friends who are libs and who have severe TDS also.

I am sick of the cold and snow where I am, so I want to go hiking, camping, driving, climbing etc. My old classmates there meet up every month and do such things, I also feel left out.

AlaskanAg99 said:

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Anyone should wait a year. The refinery issue is going to have a tremendous impact on life in CA. Theyre losing 20% of capacity, there is no magic bullet to fix this. US refineries out of CA dont make their Ludacris blen of fuel, putting them at the mercy of SE Asia refineries. Which will now be more subject to weather delays. On top of that, I read theyre not going to increase capacity so the ability to surge product to fill the gap will not happen.

Its not just the price at the pump, but all deliveries and products are going to feel the burn. Im betting businesses will discover their energy costs are going to increase production cost above what they can retail products for.

Then they'll leave. I bet the mass exodus will increase and the middle class will disappear.

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This would tell me to try and get out now and not wait. If you wait and all of this comes to fruition there are going to be quite a few people who are trying to flee and all those people will be selling at the same time.

What I mean on the tolerance angle is that you can be a gay Buddhist vegan cutthroat venture capitalist Republican here and nobody gives a **** or bats an eye, that's just Steve (Steve is a real person I am friends with).

Just need to run the math on housing TCO and state income tax implications. And future taxes. CA is a financial ****show and they are going to be increasing taxes (creatively) on those who can pay of which you are one.

Buck Turgidson said:

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A "conservative" in California is a concerned moderate/RINO in Texas.

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I understand this sentiment, but I have personally witnessed a more in-your-face p*ssed off right wing element in Huntington Beach and even Mission Beach, SD, than I see here in TX. I would imagine there are also millions of like minded people east of the San Andreas and in more rural areas in general.

With some of these people, you can tell they are extra edgy because they live in the belly of the beast and have witnessed the decay their entire lives, thanks to progressivism, and it makes them sick.

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uhhhh....well, that doesn't align with my network of Californians but if you say so.

Malibu said:

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uhhhh....well, that doesn't align with my network of Californians but if you say so.

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It aligns with polling data from the left in early 2022. The left overwhelmingly supported an array of harsh punishments and penalties for those who refused vaccinations. 30% wanted children taken away until parents complied. And this was nationwide, so I would imagine the numbers would be even worse in the greater LA area.

But liberals are definitely tolerant of gay stuff and different religions...like even Islam of all things lol...because it's not Christian I guess.



In Hollywood, and much of LA or San Fran, I guarantee I would get more acceptance from the left if I walked around in a cutoff burka with a butt plug stuck out of my @ss than I would just being an honest family provider with a Trump hat. Please tell me I am mistaken lol.

YouBet said:

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Just need to run the math on housing TCO and state income tax implications. And future taxes. CA is a financial ****show and they are going to be increasing taxes (creatively) on those who can pay of which you are one.

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Yeah that's true. It's no different from my current situation either. At least I get better weather and better job ops for the time I plan on working.

An A&M classmate of mine moved to the Bay Area about 5 years ago and loves it. He and his wife moved here post A&M around the same time I did.

Don't go to East Central, Compton or Long Beach. The beatings would be severe.

There are some amazing parts of CA. I used to live in one. The rest of the state is worse than Midland.

backintexas2013 said:

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Don't go to East Central, Compton or Long Beach. The beatings would be severe.

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I had an admit from CSU Long Beach.
I picked A&M.

infinity ag said:

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ts5641 said:

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FriscoKid said:

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This is not good for TX. I'd prefer they stay out there and enjoy what they vote for. We are full up in here. No room left.

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I've been pleasantly surprised with most of the California transplants. They're pretty conservative.

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Why are they moving out of CA though? Curious as I plan to move IN to CA this year.

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Good Lord. Why are you moving to Californication?

Some parts of Long Beach are great but ugh some is straight trash.