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And this is exactly the situation people like Ryan are trying to force. They want them to say something that ends up being incorrect so they can latch on to it. None of it is in good faith.

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I'm not trying to "force" anything, but thanks for playing.

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Sure, sure. You're just reasonably expecting that every thought and potential claim that ICE and DHS may have be put to paper immediately. Totally in good faith.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.

Something in the water in Minnesota

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🚨#BREAKING: A Minnesota man, Mark Anderson, has been officially charged after claiming and impersonating to be an FBI agent in an attempt to break Luigi Mangione out of his prison cell. pic.twitter.com/EC8xoFZ46I

— R A W S A L E R T S (@rawsalerts) January 29, 2026

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Weird, indeed. The guy showed up to the detention center with a barbecue fork and a pizza wheel.

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Go back and watch the videos. He's across the street when there is an altercation, not interfering. The aggressor is the ICE agent who shoves a woman to the ground for shouting at him, which is protected by the first amendment. You don't get to lay hands on people for words, and neither do they. Does it suck for those agents? Yeah, but that's the world we live in and the job they signed up and get paid for.

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They were interfering with a lawful law enforcement action. That is against the law. IDGAF what Pretti thought he was doing - by inserting himself into that confrontation, he too was interfering with lawful law enforcement action, which is against the law. You seem to be ignoring this simple fact. Whether you agree with the ICE activity or not is irrelevant - they are there enforcing immigration laws, in other words, doing their job. Stop being obtuse.

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He didn't introduce lethal force. He'd already been disarmed and never drew a weapon.

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Typical rephrasing of a situation that makes it sound like he was peaceful. No person who has any gun training could justify his actions leading up to this as just a regular person being peaceful. Being irresponsible does not make reasonable reactions to that irresponsibility anyone elses fault.

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Peaceful has nothing to do with it. Until someone draws a weapon or presents an immediate threat to you, you don't have a justification to shoot them. You can see a guy yelling at people the street, kicking over trash cans, and generally being an *******, but unless he pulls out a weapon or presents an immediate threat to people, you're going to be charged with murder if you shoot him.

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It was super fast moving and he continued to fight and I truly don't think several of the officers realized one of their partners had disarmed him a half second earlier...he continues to fight and try to get up and looks like his right hand reaches for holster and they drop him.

Serious question, do some of yall just think they shot him for fun? Because it's such a pleasant experience to get charged with murder as an LEO up in these blue cities? Like they have just had enough and decided to ventilate this dude out of hate or anger?

Or is it possible it was a slight understandable mistake in a fast paced chaotic struggle that wouldn;t have ever occurred if this guy wasn't a violent lunatic?

DO NOT FIGHT WITH FEDERAL AGENTS OR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT...ESPECIALLY WITH A GUN ON YOU....AND YOU WILL BE PERFECTLY FINE. Most of us knew this at the age of 7 or 8, if not sooner.

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Posted most of this message in another thread will post it here because I'm flabbergasted there are people arguing that citizens have a right to protest law enforcement operations at the point of operation.

If Pretti is at the bottom of the steps of the Capitol building with a protest sign asking Congress to change immigration laws he would still be alive today. If he was outside of this local congressman's office, he would still be alive today. If he was on any random corner bringing the issue to the attention of passersby he would still be alive today.

That is my starting and ending point on all debates on this subject. The shoot could be good or bad. I absolutely want to know that all law enforcement agencies including ICE are doing their level best to mitigate bad shoots even for those they are trying to apprehend I have no interest in seeing loss of life unless that life is truly threatening the lives of those apprehending them.

But in the case of Pretti and all would be protestors, good and bad shoot is secondary. This would be like acting like an entire war should be ended because an imbedded reporter is killed in the field of battle. If you voluntarily choose to go into a field of battle when you are neither the soldier or the enemy combatant, you take on certain risks.

This man chose to show up to an active law enforcement operation. I don't have to ask any of my friends who have been in law enforcement because I've heard enough of their stories over the years of what it's like when they are part of an operation to apprehend a suspect. If you insert some group of protesting people wanting to block or thwart your operation, that's not a good situation and the voluntary action of a protestor knowingly try to enter into an operation area takes 100% of the responsibility. Some free climber just scaled a skyscraper live on tv the other day. If that guy fell to his death that's not the building fault or the film crews fault. Nobody made him free climb that skyscraper.

It is absolutely absurd to me that anyone is defending people's right to organize a law enforcement COUNTER-Operation as a form of protest. That is not what the constitution is protecting. It's not. And to the extent that a state and municipality is withholding cooperating local Leo's for operations, that needs to be investigated to the extent there are long standing cooperative agreements and federal support to localities for the express purpose of cooperative ops in order to prevent these exact scenarios from happening.

Good shoots or bad shoots. Every operational shoot should be investigated and our law enforcement should do everything in their power to control the operational zone they are creating. Public safety has taken a back seat here and it largely rests on the shoulders of the governor of MN and mayor of Minneapolis, who are both trying to score political points with those that want no immigrations laws to exist much less enforcement of those laws.

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This is a great post because it touches on the First Amendment argument leftists are making that he "had a right to protest" which as you adeptly pointed out what he was doing was not protesting but interfering which is breaking federal law and not protected freedom of assembly.

Further, on the 2A arguments that the leftists are throwing around, his 2A protections ended when he interfered and thus committed a federal crime while carrying a gun. And its the Jurassic Park Ian Malcolm statement on his decision to carry: while he was too busy thinking he could carry a gun, he didn't stop to think if he should carry a gun knowing he was going to disrupt and agitate.

Leftists are emotional children arguing about this from a child's POV based on instant reaction from video and hindsight.

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All great points.

About your last point which I have emphasized, we need to be less general that the left isn't simply a bunch of overly emotional dimwits.

There are psychopaths, people without conscience and without morality, in positions of influence and power and atop the ruling class, in addition to those amidst the throng of pawns, who know exactly what they are doing. Through lies and deceit they are whipping into a frenzy the true believers and "emotional children" to achieve their selfish ends.

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The strange dichotomy to me is how the REAL communist orchestrators play the long game planning deep into the future, but the leftist shills that comprise most of the dem party these days seem to lack any sense of long-term consequence for their positions and actions.

There seems to be little depth to their plans, living in the moment, depending on the protection of the sheer inertia of their delusional movement. They seemed shocked when they finally meet reality and a little resistance, and without having to practice a rational understanding of their beliefs and agendas, they can only act out emotionally, like children.

It is a suicidal track they are on, but they are so wrapped around the telephone pole with their orchestrated emotional responses, they can't see the logical conclusion to the design.

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He was not at a protest

The operation where he confronted CBP was an Anti-ICE coordinated "resistance" action where at least 50 people coordinated to obstruct law enforcement

They arrived with the intention to commit a felony.

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As of this afternoon, Hakeem was still sticking to the he was an innocent who was murdered. The updated statement from the family sort of triples down on his sainthood.

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This isn't a suburb like Maplegrove folks, this is downtown Minneapolis, Local PD and State Troopers, Frey's little talk with Holman must have got him in line.

NEW: Anti-ICE activists being herded on to buses with bars on windows. This is happening in front of the Graduate Hotel in Minneapolis. @TPUSA|@choeshow pic.twitter.com/VET24H0jNC

— FRONTLINES TPUSA (@FrontlinesTPUSA) January 29, 2026

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But shifty told us it was all a Trump TACO.

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We joke, but isn't it ironic after a couple of phone calls and sending Homan in, the actual Mogadishota Police are now doing their job? Gee, that might have saved a couple of lives and made the whole operation more efficient. Hell, ICE might already be leaving the city if this was the coordination all along. But there isn't any fraud going on now, swept under the dirty Somalian carpet in the dirty Somalian Mall.

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Was Pretti arrested after this incident?

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Posted most of this message in another thread will post it here because I'm flabbergasted there are people arguing that citizens have a right to protest law enforcement operations at the point of operation.

If Pretti is at the bottom of the steps of the Capitol building with a protest sign asking Congress to change immigration laws he would still be alive today. If he was outside of this local congressman's office, he would still be alive today. If he was on any random corner bringing the issue to the attention of passersby he would still be alive today.

That is my starting and ending point on all debates on this subject. The shoot could be good or bad. I absolutely want to know that all law enforcement agencies including ICE are doing their level best to mitigate bad shoots even for those they are trying to apprehend I have no interest in seeing loss of life unless that life is truly threatening the lives of those apprehending them.

But in the case of Pretti and all would be protestors, good and bad shoot is secondary. This would be like acting like an entire war should be ended because an imbedded reporter is killed in the field of battle. If you voluntarily choose to go into a field of battle when you are neither the soldier or the enemy combatant, you take on certain risks.

This man chose to show up to an active law enforcement operation. I don't have to ask any of my friends who have been in law enforcement because I've heard enough of their stories over the years of what it's like when they are part of an operation to apprehend a suspect. If you insert some group of protesting people wanting to block or thwart your operation, that's not a good situation and the voluntary action of a protestor knowingly try to enter into an operation area takes 100% of the responsibility. Some free climber just scaled a skyscraper live on tv the other day. If that guy fell to his death that's not the building fault or the film crews fault. Nobody made him free climb that skyscraper.

It is absolutely absurd to me that anyone is defending people's right to organize a law enforcement COUNTER-Operation as a form of protest. That is not what the constitution is protecting. It's not. And to the extent that a state and municipality is withholding cooperating local Leo's for operations, that needs to be investigated to the extent there are long standing cooperative agreements and federal support to localities for the express purpose of cooperative ops in order to prevent these exact scenarios from happening.

Good shoots or bad shoots. Every operational shoot should be investigated and our law enforcement should do everything in their power to control the operational zone they are creating. Public safety has taken a back seat here and it largely rests on the shoulders of the governor of MN and mayor of Minneapolis, who are both trying to score political points with those that want no immigrations laws to exist much less enforcement of those laws.

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This is a great post because it touches on the First Amendment argument leftists are making that he "had a right to protest" which as you adeptly pointed out what he was doing was not protesting but interfering which is breaking federal law and not protected freedom of assembly.

Further, on the 2A arguments that the leftists are throwing around, his 2A protections ended when he interfered and thus committed a federal crime while carrying a gun. And its the Jurassic Park Ian Malcolm statement on his decision to carry: while he was too busy thinking he could carry a gun, he didn't stop to think if he should carry a gun knowing he was going to disrupt and agitate.

Leftists are emotional children arguing about this from a child's POV based on instant reaction from video and hindsight.

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All great points.

About your last point which I have emphasized, we need to be less general that the left isn't simply a bunch of overly emotional dimwits.

There are psychopaths, people without conscience and without morality, in positions of influence and power and atop the ruling class, in addition to those amidst the throng of pawns, who know exactly what they are doing. Through lies and deceit they are whipping into a frenzy the true believers and "emotional children" to achieve their selfish ends.

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The strange dichotomy to me is how the REAL communist orchestrators play the long game planning deep into the future, but the leftist shills that comprise most of the dem party these days seem to lack any sense of long-term consequence for their positions and actions.

There seems to be little depth to their plans, living in the moment, depending on the protection of the sheer inertia of their delusional movement. They seemed shocked when they finally meet reality and a little resistance, and without having to practice a rational understanding of their beliefs and agendas, they can only act out emotionally, like children.

It is a suicidal track they are on, but they are so wrapped around the telephone pole with their orchestrated emotional responses, they can't see the logical conclusion to the design.

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They don't have to consider the consequences of their actions when they do it in jurisdictions with Soros funded DAs that will just drop any charges that get filed against them.

I agree.

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He was not at a protest

The operation where he confronted CBP was an Anti-ICE coordinated "resistance" action where at least 50 people coordinated to obstruct law enforcement

They arrived with the intention to commit a felony.

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As of this afternoon, Hakeem was still sticking to the he was an innocent who was murdered. The updated statement from the family sort of triples down on his sainthood.

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The family's ability to cash in on a lawsuit depends on them continuing the farce that he was a noble innocent just trying to protect a fair lass from mistreatment by jackbooted federal agents. If it becomes clear that he was a rabid partisan who joined a large group to commit a felony and provoked a conflict with LEOs while armed as part of that crime, their story unravels...though I am sure they will still get a positive verdict from a Minneapolis jury.

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The family's ability to cash in on a lawsuit depends on them continuing the farce that he was a noble innocent just trying to protect a fair lass from mistreatment by jackbooted federal agents. If it becomes clear that he was a rabid partisan who joined a large group to commit a felony and provoked a conflict with LEOs while armed as part of that crime, their story unravels...though I am sure they will still get a positive verdict from a Minneapolis jury.

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Nope. Not happening. Bivens doesn't apply to federal LEOs and no MPD were present. Can't sue the city when they were not there and directly involved.

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A woman in Shakopee, America Thayer, was beheaded by an illegal immigrant with a machete, that right now is not allowed to be known. If that person were still on our streets, living in our communities, we would not know that because the federal government doesn't have a detainer list. We could end all of this right now if leaders want to get to solutions and not chaos.

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https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2026/01/29/minnesota-state-rep-cnn-town-hall-n2198635

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A woman in Shakopee, America Thayer, was beheaded by an illegal immigrant with a machete, that right now is not allowed to be known. If that person were still on our streets, living in our communities, we would not know that because the federal government doesn't have a detainer list. We could end all of this right now if leaders want to get to solutions and not chaos.

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https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2026/01/29/minnesota-state-rep-cnn-town-hall-n2198635

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_America_Thayer

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A woman in Shakopee, America Thayer, was beheaded by an illegal immigrant with a machete, that right now is not allowed to be known. If that person were still on our streets, living in our communities, we would not know that because the federal government doesn't have a detainer list. We could end all of this right now if leaders want to get to solutions and not chaos.

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https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2026/01/29/minnesota-state-rep-cnn-town-hall-n2198635

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I'm curious why that site says this information is "not allowed to be known." It was reported on by mainstream media and brought up in congressional hearings on immigration policy.

And he was acquitted due to insanity.

amazing.

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A woman in Shakopee, America Thayer, was beheaded by an illegal immigrant with a machete, that right now is not allowed to be known. If that person were still on our streets, living in our communities, we would not know that because the federal government doesn't have a detainer list. We could end all of this right now if leaders want to get to solutions and not chaos.

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https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2026/01/29/minnesota-state-rep-cnn-town-hall-n2198635

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_America_Thayer

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If you google her name there are hardly any news stories about her death.

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This isn't a suburb like Maplegrove folks, this is downtown Minneapolis, Local PD and State Troopers, Frey's little talk with Holman must have got him in line.

NEW: Anti-ICE activists being herded on to buses with bars on windows. This is happening in front of the Graduate Hotel in Minneapolis. @TPUSA|@choeshow pic.twitter.com/VET24H0jNC

— FRONTLINES TPUSA (@FrontlinesTPUSA) January 29, 2026

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But shifty told us it was all a Trump TACO.

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We joke, but isn't it ironic after a couple of phone calls and sending Homan in, the actual Mogadishota Police are now doing their job? Gee, that might have saved a couple of lives and made the whole operation more efficient. Hell, ICE might already be leaving the city if this was the coordination all along. But there isn't any fraud going on now, swept under the dirty Somalian carpet in the dirty Somalian Mall.

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Tagged and bagged.

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I responded to the wrong post. I was asking if he was arrested after assaulting (spitting on an officer) then kicking out the taillight of the ICE vehicle. My mistake.

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The Minnesota Star Tribune confirmed with Alex Pretti's family that the man in this video is indeed Alex Pretti.

Filmed by @thenewsmovement on January 13, two weeks before Pretti was shot by ICE: pic.twitter.com/1yLKLApXvB

— Mary Margaret Olohan (@MaryMargOlohan) January 28, 2026

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As the saying goes…play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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Was he arrested after this incident, where he obviously broke 2 laws?
Assaulting an officer and destroying federal property.

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This isn't a suburb like Maplegrove folks, this is downtown Minneapolis, Local PD and State Troopers, Frey's little talk with Holman must have got him in line.

NEW: Anti-ICE activists being herded on to buses with bars on windows. This is happening in front of the Graduate Hotel in Minneapolis. @TPUSA|@choeshow pic.twitter.com/VET24H0jNC

— FRONTLINES TPUSA (@FrontlinesTPUSA) January 29, 2026

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But shifty told us it was all a Trump TACO.

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Typical shifty full of shift

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We joke, but isn't it ironic after a couple of phone calls and sending Homan in, the actual Mogadishota Police are now doing their job? Gee, that might have saved a couple of lives and made the whole operation more efficient. Hell, ICE might already be leaving the city if this was the coordination all along. But there isn't any fraud going on now, swept under the dirty Somalian carpet in the dirty Somalian Mall.

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After he kicked the taillight off the SUV? No. As pointed out earlier, ICE was apparently finishing up their apprehension and it's not in their purview to be arresting agitators and hauling them in. I think they got out in frustration and wanted to but were called off to just get the hell out of there.

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So he wasn't arrested?
if he had been, maybe he would have been in jail and alive today?

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Being 'absolutely certain' about information we don't know yet, is a bit presumptuous.

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Perhaps I'm giving CBP too much credit or confidence, then. It seems like the administration is very eager to disclose any information that potentially absolves the gov't of any culpability, and such information would help achieve that purpose.

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This isn't a suburb like Maplegrove folks, this is downtown Minneapolis, Local PD and State Troopers, Frey's little talk with Holman must have got him in line.

NEW: Anti-ICE activists being herded on to buses with bars on windows. This is happening in front of the Graduate Hotel in Minneapolis. @TPUSA|@choeshow pic.twitter.com/VET24H0jNC

— FRONTLINES TPUSA (@FrontlinesTPUSA) January 29, 2026

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But shifty told us it was all a Trump TACO.

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Typical shifty full of shift

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We joke, but isn't it ironic after a couple of phone calls and sending Homan in, the actual Mogadishota Police are now doing their job? Gee, that might have saved a couple of lives and made the whole operation more efficient. Hell, ICE might already be leaving the city if this was the coordination all along. But there isn't any fraud going on now, swept under the dirty Somalian carpet in the dirty Somalian Mall.

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After he kicked the taillight off the SUV? No. As pointed out earlier, ICE was apparently finishing up their apprehension and it's not in their purview to be arresting agitators and hauling them in. I think they got out in frustration and wanted to but were called off to just get the hell out of there.

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So he wasn't arrested?
if he had been, maybe he would have been in jail and alive today?

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He would have been released within hours by the Minneapolis DA. Zero chance he would spend 24 hours in jail, much less 11 days.

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Where in that statement, does it refute that Pretti's firearm was accidentally discharged.

It states the BP's fired. It states his gun was removed, and later secured. But no where does it state that Pretti's firearm was not discharged. If you watch the video, the officers wouldnt have known where the first shot came from.

I dont know for certain this is what happened, but that statement doesnt clarify anything in that regard.

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Given the gravity of the situation, I am absolutely certain CBP would have included that information had it occurred because it would have been extremely relevant to explaining what occurred and would provide some level of defense on the part of the agents who fired their own weapons..

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Your opinion in bold. Until the investigation is complete nothing is certain and may not be certain even after the investigation.

Another church protest.

🚨🇺🇸 PROTESTERS CRASH MINNESOTA CHURCH SERVICE… AGAIN!

A group of mostly white liberal women showed up mid-worship to sing protest songs and go off on ICE.

They called for “liberation” and turned the church into a political stage right in front of everyone.

At this point, it… pic.twitter.com/VUB7fVQl2g

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) January 29, 2026

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Where in that statement, does it refute that Pretti's firearm was accidentally discharged.

It states the BP's fired. It states his gun was removed, and later secured. But no where does it state that Pretti's firearm was not discharged. If you watch the video, the officers wouldnt have known where the first shot came from.

I dont know for certain this is what happened, but that statement doesnt clarify anything in that regard.

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Given the gravity of the situation, I am absolutely certain CBP would have included that information had it occurred because it would have been extremely relevant to explaining what occurred and would provide some level of defense on the part of the agents who fired their own weapons..

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Your opinion in bold. Until the investigation is complete nothing is certain and may not be certain even after the investigation.

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The comment was about my opinion on the legality of the shooting. Show me where I opined on the legality of the shooting. The post you've quoted above has nothing to do with the legality of the shooting.

Again, show me where I opined on the legality of the shooting. Oh wait, you can't. Because I didn't.