I want everyone to stay within bounds. The reason I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton is she routinely crossed them.

Zooming out: I'm reading a thread on my alma mater's board where proposed "solutions," if stated plainly, would get people permabanned. When language starts moving in that direction, it's reasonable to slow down and ask for definitions and ground rules before things go off the rails. If we're talking about "killing a radical liberal mind virus," then specificity matters. What beliefs, what behaviors, and where the limits are. Otherwise it stops being political disagreement and starts being dehumanization.

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Exactly, their entire political party and power structure crumbles without lies and gaslighting. Completely crumbles. Deception is a cornerstone/pillar of the modern warped democratic faith. Let's be honest, it's basically a weird religion at this point.

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Confirming you are talking about Trump's current MAGA coalition? I'm trying to be precise. There may be an old school principled GOP conservative to may take offense. But at a certain point, the silence and inability of such folks to vote D right now means they might be lumped in.

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You mentioned JD Vance earlier I believe...I get that you hate Trump and it's a fools errand to even ask you for a remotely rational and non-hyper-emotional response to him...but what is unreasonable about JD Vance? How is he "extreme"?

I truly get the sense that most modern libs are just used to the old quiet and meek Rino's like GWB who "played ball" and just let you lie and attack and say anything you want without any recourse. And JD Vance will call out lies and attacks. And THAT is what bothers the left. They want GOP to be a bunch of limp d*** pushovers for ever and ever. Am I warm?

What is so unreasonable about JD Vance? How is he "extreme"? And how is it not the mainstream left political apparatus that has gone "extreme"? Remember, every single democrat senator is in favor of women in mens sports/locker rooms/showers. Not making that up.

The concept of al Taqiya has been adopted.

Unfortunately many have been gaslit into submission. Liberal white women, the male feminists, BLM butches and gender fluids seek and destroy. Common sense is slipping away. See the EU and UK.

EDIT: I think I misunderstood your post and have taken down my reply.

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The Democratic party does not survive without keeping the racism card handy, pandering to ethnic groups for the sake of earning their votes, via legal and illegal methods, and turning a blind eye to laws. They protect their own and if anything threatens that ecosystem, they never blame their own, it's always deemed a threat to civil rights and liberties... laws be damned.

As I watch recent press conferences by Governor Walz, Mayor Frey, on top of the crap that is being discovered with the massive fraud within the Somalian community, they are spinning this garbage to the press that is absolute theater. Closing schools for effect.... saying things like "Don't give them what they want." "Don't give in."

It gets to the point where you ask, how low can these idiots get? Spineless pandering, fear-mongering and no attempt to deescalate things. Protestors holding up signs saying "We are all immigrants"... Which is not true.... but the sign should say "We are all immigrants but some are here illegally".

These folks are a threat to society and need to be prosecuted for fueling this dumpster fire. On top of everything, this demographic consists of rejects, losers and low IQ individuals likely given everything in life.

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Strengthen libel and slander laws. This needs to be very carefully worded to prevent the Democratic Party leadership and the biased judges from abusing these laws (re: criminal prosecution for abusing the laws?). The Democratic Party leadership and MSM routinely lie and are rarely held accountable.

Return education to the states. Some idiot blue states will continue indoctrination, however, enough states will return to educating children on the Constitution, rule of law, etc.

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Ah, the old "what my opponent really believes" argument. Well, I stated my position sincerely and in good faith. If al Taqiya is invoked, and you're shifting the debate to the sincerity of my beliefs, rather than the arguments themselves, not really a point in continuing a conversation had in bad faith.

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I think he is talking about your party/brethren in general. I can't believe you would even pretend that we are not very warm, at least. Your party/media/influencers are CONSTANTLY pushing lies. It has to...because otherwise such a ridiculous and absurd monstrosity of a party, especially compared to that same party of the 90's and earlier 2000's, would no longer be able to exist. Constant gaslighting is essential. I would argue it is way more prevelent and vital than Taqiyya is to Islam.

And here is where EVERY SINGLE LIVING LIBERAL says "Yeah but you guys do the exact same thing, to the exact same degree, see, we're no different"

And that is why you cannot have a productive conversation with a single modern liberal today. We acknowledge completely diffeerent realities.

Likewise. Been there, done that, and know the left's game.

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Likewise. Been there, done that, and know the left's game.

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The fact that it's impossible to have a productive and honest conversation with a super moderate leftist like Malibu says it all. Nation is fooked.

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Likewise. Been there, done that, and know the left's game.

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The fact that it's impossible to have a productive and honest conversation with a super moderate leftist like Malibu says it all. Nation is fooked.

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I know, the Soviets were correct. We would fail from within.

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Likewise. Been there, done that, and know the left's game.

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The fact that it's impossible to have a productive and honest conversation with a super moderate leftist like Malibu says it all. Nation is fooked.

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I know, the Soviets were correct. We would fail from within.

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Literally the only way to defeat us. Freakin useful idiots.

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Ah, the old "what my opponent really believes" argument. Well, I stated my position sincerely and in good faith. If al Taqiya is invoked, and you're shifting the debate to the sincerity of my beliefs, rather than the arguments themselves, not really a point in continuing a conversation had in bad faith.

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I think he is talking about your party/brethren in general. I can't believe you would even pretend that we are not very warm, at least. Your party/media/influencers are CONSTANTLY pushing lies. It has to...because otherwise such a ridiculous and absurd monstrosity of a party, especially compared to that same party of the 90's and earlier 2000's, would no longer be able to exist. Constant gaslighting is essential. I would argue it is way more prevelent and vital than Taqiyya is to Islam.

And here is where EVERY SINGLE LIVING LIBERAL says "Yeah but you guys do the exact same thing, to the exact same degree, see, we're no different"

And that is why you cannot have a productive conversation with a single modern liberal today. We acknowledge completely diffeerent realities.

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There's a lot going on here. First, I only speak for myself. Your party/your brethren is a tribal Hogwarts sorting hat that isn't useful to describe how most people actually live.

Second, living in the land of liberals, I agree that some people fit the caricature to a T, but you're badly off in attributing a fickle nihilistic world view to the majority. Most people I know are living ordinary lives, worried about their kids, jobs, and communities, and are capable of talking to neighbors who they disagree with. That's my lived experience.

Third, yes, I will absolutely reply with tu quoque. FoxNews, OAN, Newsmax aren't neutral truth machines, they're just the right's response to left bad faith actors at CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etc. There is absolutely a plague on both houses, and at this point "who started it" is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that the current equilibrium is not sustainable. Everyone's **** stinks, and this Minneapolis nonsense is MAD escalation.

Just had to grab this.

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I know kids who have transitioned. Two kids that grew up as friends of my kids. I don't understand transitioning, but I love both kids (who are now in their mid 20s). Their parents didn't wish the transition on their kids and their families. All parents have done what's best to keep their kids alive. There is only so much you can do once a kid is 18.

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The absolute , highest odds of a trans kid dying, from any source, is themselves. Your argument literally states you should prevent children from transitioning if you want them to survive. I will of course advise that path.

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Likewise. Been there, done that, and know the left's game.

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The fact that it's impossible to have a productive and honest conversation with a super moderate leftist like Malibu says it all. Nation is fooked.

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I've been explicitly critical of Clinton, opposed COVID excesses, raised concerns about unsustainable U.S. debt, expressed skepticism of media narratives, and taken a nuanced view of Minneapolis. If that still doesn't qualify as an honest conversation, then I don't think the issue is my views or my willingness to engage. It's the assumption that anyone who doesn't fully align must be acting in bad faith. Honest conversation is impossible by definition.

This is every argument between men and women in all of history. pic.twitter.com/8pXGclgYQp

— Anthony (@Catholicizm1) April 4, 2025

A perfect summation of the futility trying to convince someone with the woke mind virus on reality. When they realize they have lost, they begin to accuse you of incorrect word speak.

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Ah, the old "what my opponent really believes" argument. Well, I stated my position sincerely and in good faith. If al Taqiya is invoked, and you're shifting the debate to the sincerity of my beliefs, rather than the arguments themselves, not really a point in continuing a conversation had in bad faith.

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I think he is talking about your party/brethren in general. I can't believe you would even pretend that we are not very warm, at least. Your party/media/influencers are CONSTANTLY pushing lies. It has to...because otherwise such a ridiculous and absurd monstrosity of a party, especially compared to that same party of the 90's and earlier 2000's, would no longer be able to exist. Constant gaslighting is essential. I would argue it is way more prevelent and vital than Taqiyya is to Islam.

And here is where EVERY SINGLE LIVING LIBERAL says "Yeah but you guys do the exact same thing, to the exact same degree, see, we're no different"

And that is why you cannot have a productive conversation with a single modern liberal today. We acknowledge completely diffeerent realities.

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There's a lot going on here. First, I only speak for myself. Your party/your brethren is a tribal Hogwarts sorting hat that isn't useful to describe how most people actually live.

Second, living in the land of liberals, I agree that some people fit the caricature to a T, but you're badly off in attributing a fickle nihilistic world view to the majority. Most people I know are living ordinary lives, worried about their kids, jobs, and communities, and are capable of talking to neighbors who they disagree with. That's my lived experience.

Third, yes, I will absolutely reply with tu quoque. FoxNews, OAN, Newsmax aren't neutral truth machines, they're just the right's response to left bad faith actors at CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etc. There is absolutely a plague on both houses, and at this point "who started it" is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that the current equilibrium is not sustainable. Everyone's **** stinks, and this Minneapolis nonsense is MAD escalation.

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Ha predictable!



I agree that most democrats are mostly trying to live normal lives, but I am astounded by how many completely buy into the false and dangerous narratives on things like this latest incident...completely denying their eyes and ears and brain. It's a religion.

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Likewise. Been there, done that, and know the left's game.

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The fact that it's impossible to have a productive and honest conversation with a super moderate leftist like Malibu says it all. Nation is fooked.

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I've been explicitly critical of Clinton, opposed COVID excesses, raised concerns about unsustainable U.S. debt, expressed skepticism of media narratives, and taken a nuanced view of Minneapolis. If that still doesn't qualify as an honest conversation, then I don't think the issue is my views or my willingness to engage. It's the assumption that anyone who doesn't fully align must be acting in bad faith. Honest conversation is impossible by definition.

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We get it. You're a moderate willing to advocate and accommodate the left's ideals. That's fine.

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Likewise. Been there, done that, and know the left's game.

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The fact that it's impossible to have a productive and honest conversation with a super moderate leftist like Malibu says it all. Nation is fooked.

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I've been explicitly critical of Clinton, opposed COVID excesses, raised concerns about unsustainable U.S. debt, expressed skepticism of media narratives, and taken a nuanced view of Minneapolis. If that still doesn't qualify as an honest conversation, then I don't think the issue is my views or my willingness to engage. It's the assumption that anyone who doesn't fully align must be acting in bad faith. Honest conversation is impossible by definition.

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I can't take anyone seriously who rants about Fox News and OAN being even remotely comparable to left winged media, in terms of lies and gaslighting. I don't know anyone close to my age range who watches either.

But it's really the dem leaders for me...it's like most dem politicians HOPE their supporters get mowed down or assaulted in the streets while they sit in their cush homes and condos in complete safety. Because it helps their cause. That is the only reasonable explanation for the constant dangerous and inflammatory rhetoric. Comparing ICE and BP to nazis/kkk etc etc. I am growing more and more convinced they are genuinely trying to stoke the fires enough to prompt the societal powder keg to go off.

Kamala hasn't been the only one to make these absurd and super dangerous comparisons...a ton of democrats have jumped on board. Ironically, Fetterman seems to be one of the only ones willing to have a reasonable take.

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I want everyone to stay within bounds. The reason I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton is she routinely crossed them.

Zooming out: I'm reading a thread on my alma mater's board where proposed "solutions," if stated plainly, would get people permabanned. When language starts moving in that direction, it's reasonable to slow down and ask for definitions and ground rules before things go off the rails. If we're talking about "killing a radical liberal mind virus," then specificity matters. What beliefs, what behaviors, and where the limits are. Otherwise it stops being political disagreement and starts being dehumanization.

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What beliefs you ask.
The Democratic Party leadership including the Clintons and a previous head of the DNC were followers of Saul Alinsky.

• The organizers first job is to create the issues or problems, and organizations must be based on many issues. The organizer must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . . An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.
• Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
• They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot. When we have the guns then it will be through the bullet.
• Control healthcare and you control the people
• Never let a crisis go to waste
• The very first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.
• The most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired results.
• It is a world not of angels but of angles, where men speak of moral principles but act on power principles; a world where we are always moral and our enemies always immoral.
• The fourth rule is: "Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules." You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity. ~ Saul Alinsky
• control of what people read and listen to take control of what children learn in school - Saul Alinsky

https://www.azquotes.com/author/247-Saul_Alinsky

https://floppingaces.net/2011/07/30/the-cloward-piven-strategy-saul-alinsky-and-their-influence-on-obama-reader-post/
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-campaign-spot/how-alinsky-philosophy-shapes-democrats-response-pelosi-jim-geraghty/
Just a couple of links there are a ton more

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Likewise. Been there, done that, and know the left's game.

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The fact that it's impossible to have a productive and honest conversation with a super moderate leftist like Malibu says it all. Nation is fooked.

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I've been explicitly critical of Clinton, opposed COVID excesses, raised concerns about unsustainable U.S. debt, expressed skepticism of media narratives, and taken a nuanced view of Minneapolis. If that still doesn't qualify as an honest conversation, then I don't think the issue is my views or my willingness to engage. It's the assumption that anyone who doesn't fully align must be acting in bad faith. Honest conversation is impossible by definition.

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You literally claimed that Trump is an existential threat to this nation and that Harris is not and would have been better.

You prefer a person who believes in open borders - which is ABSOLUTELYY AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT to this nation over Trump!

Nothing - NOTHING - Trump has done or will do is an existential threat to this nation! He's obeyed every single ridiculous court decision handed down by these radical leftists judges with no basis in law!

Your position is literally delusional. And that delusion is a huge part of the problem. That's why OP called it the mind virus!

Here is some more lawlessness, more delusion from the insane left. These people must be defeated in whatever way is required:

Seattle Mayor Katie Wilson urges constituents to sign up for “ICE mobilization alerts” to get alerted when ICE is spotted in the area so they can help illegals hide and go protest and harass the agents pic.twitter.com/wrOaCofnMf

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It's like most dem politicians HOPE their supporters get mowed down or assaulted in the streets while they sit in their cush homes and condos in complete safety. Because it helps their cause. That is the only reasonable explanation for the constant dangerous and inflammatory rhetoric. Comparing ICE and BP to nazis/kkk etc etc. I am growing more and more convinced they are genuinely trying to stoke the fires enough to prompt the societal powder keg to go off.

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Last post for me on this thread, I think it's mostly played out. I appreciate you acknowledging the common hopes / lives of people I know who may vote different than you. That may be hokey, but I think its useful in stepping back away the abyss.

On this quote in particular. Let me state that I unequivocally agree with you here. I also think you can flip the switch pretty easily and substitute Trump, Noem, and Bondi here and reach the same conclusion. That's a comment on the political class writ large and hopefully an invitation for mutual grievance that no one is letting a crisis go to waste or has pure motives here.

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It's like most dem politicians HOPE their supporters get mowed down or assaulted in the streets while they sit in their cush homes and condos in complete safety. Because it helps their cause. That is the only reasonable explanation for the constant dangerous and inflammatory rhetoric. Comparing ICE and BP to nazis/kkk etc etc. I am growing more and more convinced they are genuinely trying to stoke the fires enough to prompt the societal powder keg to go off.

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…,,, I also think you can flip the switch pretty easily and substitute Trump, Noem, and Bondi here and reach the same conclusion. That's a comment on the political class writ large and hopefully an invitation for mutual grievance that no one is letting a crisis go to waste or has pure motives here.

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2 assassination attempts on President Trump, Charlie Kirk's assassination, attacks on Supreme Court justice home, accidentally killing illegal aliens in Dallas while targeting ICE, multiple murdering of families in churches, violent attacks on Jewish students, ~40 murders during the Floyd riots, vandalism of VP Vance home, thousands of vandalism of Teslas let alone fire bombing Tesla dealerships, idolizing the murderer of Insurance executive, shooting a Republican at a softball game, throwing concrete blocks from a bridge at ICE agents, 2 Jewish interns shot, etcetera etcetera etcetera.
All partially or fully due to the hateful lies spewed by Democratic Party leadership including the MSM.
We now have Governor Walz saying he wants to call up the National Guard ostensibly to engage in armed conflict with ICE, Immigration Officers and Department of Homeland Security.

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I don't. That is total BS.

A lot (and I mean a ton) of projection going on in this thread by people that seem content to watch Trump burn the country to the ground. In today's missive, he's trying to take control of how states conduct their elections.

I'll take a very brief stab at defining the "liberal mind virus" as I see it .

To me it's the people that have no respect for rule of law nor the intent of said rule of law that have the virus. You can certainly argue if a particular law is fair or right or unconstitutional and that question has to ultimately be decided in court.

So with regard to this particular situation I say people that are clearly trying to obstruct ICE from doing their job under the rule of law have the virus . If they are working to challenge the law that authorizes ICE to do their job in court that's not a sign of the virus altho they may still have it but physical obstruction is a positive for the virus.. peaceful protest is okay but when it crosses the line to obstruction and interference it's not.

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A lot (and I mean a ton) of projection going on in this thread by people that seem content to watch Trump burn the country to the ground. In today's missive, he's trying to take control of how states conduct their elections.

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The only people burning the country to the ground are leftists who can't stand that he is actually President and refuse to even act lawfully in response to it.

And Trump reforming federal elections to eliminate fraud is only a threat to the fraudsters.

And for the record, I'm not really a Trump fan and would prefer someone with fewer personality issues.

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A lot (and I mean a ton) of projection going on in this thread by people that seem content to watch Trump burn the country to the ground. In today's missive, he's trying to take control of how states conduct their elections.

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Start a thread about it then, this is about leftist trying to destroy our way of life.

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It's like most dem politicians HOPE their supporters get mowed down or assaulted in the streets while they sit in their cush homes and condos in complete safety. Because it helps their cause. That is the only reasonable explanation for the constant dangerous and inflammatory rhetoric. Comparing ICE and BP to nazis/kkk etc etc. I am growing more and more convinced they are genuinely trying to stoke the fires enough to prompt the societal powder keg to go off.

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Last post for me on this thread, I think it's mostly played out. I appreciate you acknowledging the common hopes / lives of people I know who may vote different than you. That may be hokey, but I think its useful in stepping back away the abyss.

On this quote in particular. Let me state that I unequivocally agree with you here. I also think you can flip the switch pretty easily and substitute Trump, Noem, and Bondi here and reach the same conclusion. That's a comment on the political class writ large and hopefully an invitation for mutual grievance that no one is letting a crisis go to waste or has pure motives here.

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How are they trying to get people out in the streets to fight the authorities in hopes of kicking off masive civil unrest/riots etc? The only thing that pushes us towards unrest is the left's violent reactions and temper tantrums. Shgould Trump not deploy ICE to enforce immigration law because leftists will come out and cause trouble and record things hoping to catch them hurting leftist agitators? Should we do the same with law enforcement in general?

There's always gotta be "but look at what you guys do..." qualifier. What if there isn't always an equivalent or comparable case on the other side? It's like that possibility doesn't register with a single leftist. The thought that maybe their side truly is disproportionately out of control seems to terrify them.

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A lot (and I mean a ton) of projection going on in this thread by people that seem content to watch Trump burn the country to the ground. In today's missive, he's trying to take control of how states conduct their elections.

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A lot (and I mean a ton) of projection going on in this thread by people that seem content to watch Trump burn the country to the ground. In today's missive, he's trying to take control of how states conduct their elections.

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Whose burning things to the ground? The Left's argument is essentially "Look what Trump made me do!"

Before '20 I had complete faith in our elections. When Obama won in '08 & '12 I was very disappointed but it didn't cross my mind that it was illegitimate. That was back when 99% of the voting population showed up to a polling location to cast a ballot. You don't think blanketing the country with mail in ballots affected election integrity or people's faith in the process? If so, you're delusional.

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Do you have a problem with the trans people holding me, a white, Christian male, responsible for their problems?

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Peacefully co-existing and having basic rights to be part of society is not putting their problems on you.


I know kids who have transitioned. Two kids that grew up as friends of my kids. I don't understand transitioning, but I love both kids (who are now in their mid 20s). Their parents didn't wish the transition on their kids and their families. All parents have done what's best to keep their kids alive. There is only so much you can do once a kid is 18.

This current political right-wing induced environment has all parties fearful of their lives and avoiding Red parts of the country---and seriously considering leaving the USA. Real, actual fear that life, liberty, and the ability to live could cease. Inability to travel to red areas is already a defacto limitation of their rights.

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Your first word is the beginning of this hogwash reply.

I'd like you to explain how it is peacefully co-existing when you see a trans person go into a church school to shoot and kill some people there (I forget how many, maybe 6 or so). This is just one example, but there have been others. The freak that shot Charlie Kirk was apparently a homosexual if I recall right. This is not peaceful.

No one is saying these people cannot live peacefully how they wish to live out their lives, but it does become a problem when they attempt to indoctrinate children with their sick ideas (and yes, that's me making a judgement of their lifestyle, of which I want no part for either myself or my kids).

I have no comment to make with anything stated in your second paragraph.

Your final paragraph is a doozy. Where are all these "red" areas where trans people are being hunted down and killed like rabid dogs? Or whatever these people are afraid of. Who has put into place a travel ban on these people? And no one is stopping anyone from leaving the US. Of course, trans people won't actually do that since they know that in many countries, their lifestyle will be a death sentence, probably via a drop from a high roof. Now contrast that with "blue" cities such as the one that I live next to, Houston. I am not afraid of venturing into that hell hole - I do so weekly for my job, I am going into downtown Houston both tonight and tomorrow night. I'm not really looking forward to it, not because I'm afraid one of these animals that Democrat judges like to let out on the streets (case in point, just two days ago one of these animals murdered an innocent white woman during a shooting on a Metro bus after having been let out of the cage he belonged in by a Democrat judge) but rather because I hate dealing with the traffic and parking in that congested area.

Unfortunately it's terminal. Quarantine to a mental institution in Canada.

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Maybe by having better ideas that inspire people to join you?

No, no, crushing all dissent is the way to go.

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Unironically yes, why not?

The only way to fix it is unimaginable hard times in which you're biggest worry is finding food and water for the day.