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BigFred said:

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However, seems like the tolerance level for alternative opinions has tightened.

Not only for me, but I rarely see opinions form the other side. Right wing only now? And I understand, your board......you do what you want.

/Every altering opinion is "TROLLING!!!"

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I'm a Trump voting conservative who has lost faith in democracy so I have one foot in fascism or even America-first-socialism.
I get hell on this board because I'm not a zionist and my values align w Christianity. The opposition's crappy conduct should not excuse ours, is my opinion.
I think our system has created or at least encouraged all this mental illness, and we should take some responsibility for that, or take on the responsibility of healing.
I see something like the Minnesota shooting, and say we should do an operation more safely, so an ICE agent doesn't end up in a life and death struggle against a foolish woman with a mind virus, and I'm accused of trolling. over and over

So lol, if you're a dnc democrat, Fred, you're ****ed. go to shaggy bevo is my advice.

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Because you are wrong about the bolded. DEMOCRAT Mayors are preventing such safe operations, that's why you are called out for your bad takes. Local Law Enforcement has been told to NOT cooperate with Federal Agencies and thus the unsafe situations are created. This lack of cooperation has been going on since at least April, maybe even March and these paid agitators hounding DHS officers didnt start last week. You are not informed.

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The democrats mayors are not part of the solution. It's a given. it is known.

In a situation like the one we're discussing, ICE slows down the operation, zip ties the ""protesters (who are actually illegally interfering with the operation), puts black spit hoods on them and lines them up on a curb, or bundles them into a box-truck until the job is done. And don't stand in front of a parked car with a nut behind the wheel. training.

I don't want to rehash all that

Flower Child said:

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As a proud alternative I rather enjoy it here as it gives a good view into casual political conversation amongst christofascists, who appear to enjoy eating their own as much as liberals do.

As to what you're noticing I think it's a tendency of the modern internet in general to end up with an extreme majority in any given space. If you look at threads on r/Aggies about the same topic as is being discussed here, you will see the same problem from the other direction.

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Love it. Leftist troll comes to complain about perceived baseless bias displayed by posters on F16.

Another leftist adds that they actually come here to interact with the christofascists.

You guys are always such good examples of practicing what you preach. Super happy you don't get into situations with pre-conceived notions about others!

Texas velvet maestro said:

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samurai_science said:

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Texas velvet maestro said:

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BigFred said:

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However, seems like the tolerance level for alternative opinions has tightened.

Not only for me, but I rarely see opinions form the other side. Right wing only now? And I understand, your board......you do what you want.

/Every altering opinion is "TROLLING!!!"

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I'm a Trump voting conservative who has lost faith in democracy so I have one foot in fascism or even America-first-socialism.
I get hell on this board because I'm not a zionist and my values align w Christianity. The opposition's crappy conduct should not excuse ours, is my opinion.
I think our system has created or at least encouraged all this mental illness, and we should take some responsibility for that, or take on the responsibility of healing.
I see something like the Minnesota shooting, and say we should do an operation more safely, so an ICE agent doesn't end up in a life and death struggle against a foolish woman with a mind virus, and I'm accused of trolling. over and over

So lol, if you're a dnc democrat, Fred, you're ****ed. go to shaggy bevo is my advice.

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Because you are wrong about the bolded. DEMOCRAT Mayors are preventing such safe operations, that's why you are called out for your bad takes. Local Law Enforcement has been told to NOT cooperate with Federal Agencies and thus the unsafe situations are created. This lack of cooperation has been going on since at least April, maybe even March and these paid agitators hounding DHS officers didnt start last week. You are not informed.

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The democrats mayors are not part of the solution. It's a given. it is known.

In a situation like the one we're discussing, ICE slows down the operation, zip ties the ""protesters (who are actually illegally interfering with the operation), puts black spit hoods on them and lines them up on a curb, or bundles them into a box-truck until the job is done. And don't stand in front of a parked car with a nut behind the wheel. training.

I don't want to rehash all that

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That'll go well. And you stated you want ICE to operate more safely. What you suggest will rile up the idiots even more.

BigFred said:

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However, seems like the tolerance level for alternative opinions has tightened.

Not only for me, but I rarely see opinions form the other side. Right wing only now? And I understand, your board......you do what you want.

/Every altering opinion is "TROLLING!!!"

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Defend the leftists. We welcome the banter.

TBF, most progressive policies fail in their execution, especially at the level of city and state government. And the Summer of Love 2020 and its lunacy had to disillusion anyone marginally sympathetic to progressive policies.
DEI was revealed to be a neo-apartheid system justifying (illegal) discrimination against people of European ancestry by people nursing their own racial grudges.

Flower Child said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Flower Child said:

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As a proud alternative I rather enjoy it here as it gives a good view into casual political conversation amongst christofascists, who appear to enjoy eating their own as much as liberals do.

As to what you're noticing I think it's a tendency of the modern internet in general to end up with an extreme majority in any given space. If you look at threads on r/Aggies about the same topic as is being discussed here, you will see the same problem from the other direction.

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This is just sick.

One day every knee shall bow. Hope you find your peace before then.

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You got to hand it to libs. They are very creative with making up words to try to win arguments or avoid having to debate at all.

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Term has been around longer than you've been alive but you seem to be a fan of making up things so I'll let you swim in bliss.

Anyhow I don't want to derail this thread into possibly the most fruitless of all arguments so this will be my last post on this.

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So you throw an idiotic bomb and now run.

So Flower Child, before you run away like the wuss you are, please tell me about the millions, est (80), killed by Leftest in the French Rev, the Russian Rev 1917, and the Chinese Rec 1930-1949.

Flower Child said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Flower Child said:

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As a proud alternative I rather enjoy it here as it gives a good view into casual political conversation amongst christofascists, who appear to enjoy eating their own as much as liberals do.

As to what you're noticing I think it's a tendency of the modern internet in general to end up with an extreme majority in any given space. If you look at threads on r/Aggies about the same topic as is being discussed here, you will see the same problem from the other direction.

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This is just sick.

One day every knee shall bow. Hope you find your peace before then.

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You got to hand it to libs. They are very creative with making up words to try to win arguments or avoid having to debate at all.

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Term has been around longer than you've been alive but you seem to be a fan of making up things so I'll let you swim in bliss.

Anyhow I don't want to derail this thread into possibly the most fruitless of all arguments so this will be my last post on this.

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Yeah, some lib made it up decades ago to marginalize or dehumanize political opponents.

Also, please post more on this forum.

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The Great Divide between leftists and those with common sense is so large it's basically improssible to have a reasonable discussion with a leftist. Interestingly the Great Divide started expanding right around 2008 when the Anointed One was elected President of the US.

Here's a perfect example of a typical discussion with a leftist. It's non-sensical. The top comment of this video sums it up perfectly - toddler coded.

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Master class on how to handle the left.

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Love it. Leftist troll comes to complain about perceived baseless bias displayed by posters on F16.

Another leftist adds that they actually come here to interact with the christofascists.

You guys are always such good examples of practicing what you preach.

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"This is what tolerance looks like!"

"We are what tolerance looks like!"

"This is what tolerance looks like!"

"We are what tolerance looks like!"

"This is what tolerance looks like!"

"We are what tolerance looks like!"

"This is what tolerance looks like!"

"We are what tolerance looks like!"

93MarineHorn said:

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Flower Child said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Flower Child said:

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As a proud alternative I rather enjoy it here as it gives a good view into casual political conversation amongst christofascists, who appear to enjoy eating their own as much as liberals do.

As to what you're noticing I think it's a tendency of the modern internet in general to end up with an extreme majority in any given space. If you look at threads on r/Aggies about the same topic as is being discussed here, you will see the same problem from the other direction.

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Term has been around longer than you've been alive but you seem to be a fan of making up things so I'll let you swim in bliss.

Anyhow I don't want to derail this thread into possibly the most fruitless of all arguments so this will be my last post on this.

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You're supposed to call us "White nationalists" or "white supremacists". What's the matter, you think you're above your fellow libs when it comes to grossly mischaracterizing conservatives and spreading false narratives? You're just putting on airs.

Every reasonable honest + normal + politically engaged + American has abandoned the left at this point.

I'd much rather there be left leaning moderates to debate, but the modern left is built upon reality-denying narratives, so when one tries to take a stand on F16 their talking points get systematically dismantled.

This thread is a prime example. OP could engage in a dozen other threads and "right the wrongs" of this echo chamber… but starts a nebulous complaint space instead.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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Every reasonable honest + normal + politically engaged + American has abandoned the left at this point.

I'd much rather there be left leaning moderates to debate, but the modern left is built upon reality-denying narratives, so when one tries to take a stand on F16 their talking points get systematically dismantled.

This thread is a prime example. OP could engage in a dozen other threads and "right the wrongs" of this echo chamber… but starts a nebulous complaint space instead.

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The moderates can't defend the crazies that are running their party now. That's the real reason some of our reasonable reslibs don't come around very often. They know it's an impossible task.

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Flower Child said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Flower Child said:

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As a proud alternative I rather enjoy it here as it gives a good view into casual political conversation amongst christofascists, who appear to enjoy eating their own as much as liberals do.

As to what you're noticing I think it's a tendency of the modern internet in general to end up with an extreme majority in any given space. If you look at threads on r/Aggies about the same topic as is being discussed here, you will see the same problem from the other direction.

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This is just sick.

One day every knee shall bow. Hope you find your peace before then.

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You got to hand it to libs. They are very creative with making up words to try to win arguments or avoid having to debate at all.

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Term has been around longer than you've been alive but you seem to be a fan of making up things so I'll let you swim in bliss.

Anyhow I don't want to derail this thread into possibly the most fruitless of all arguments so this will be my last post on this.

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So you throw an idiotic bomb and now run.

So Flower Child, before you run away like the wuss you are, please tell me about the millions, est (80), killed by Leftest in the French Rev, the Russian Rev 1917, and the Chinese Rec 1930-1949.

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I'll let you turn me into a liar and have *this* be my last post on the thread.

This is why most "Leftests" leave, is because it can be rather frustrating when, for any alleged liberal or leftist:

Posting = Trolling
Continued Posting = Derailing
Stopping Posting (which I said I would do above) = Running

Meanwhile your post completely out of left field regarding deaths that happened in China, Russia, and France, aka a blatant derailment (coupled with an insult), will not get you reported, but will rather get you stars, as will all the other attacks on this page.

Most sane liberals leave. I probably will eventually but remain insane for the time being.

93MarineHorn said:

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Flower Child said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Flower Child said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Flower Child said:

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As a proud alternative I rather enjoy it here as it gives a good view into casual political conversation amongst christofascists, who appear to enjoy eating their own as much as liberals do.

As to what you're noticing I think it's a tendency of the modern internet in general to end up with an extreme majority in any given space. If you look at threads on r/Aggies about the same topic as is being discussed here, you will see the same problem from the other direction.

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This is just sick.

One day every knee shall bow. Hope you find your peace before then.

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You got to hand it to libs. They are very creative with making up words to try to win arguments or avoid having to debate at all.

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Term has been around longer than you've been alive but you seem to be a fan of making up things so I'll let you swim in bliss.

Anyhow I don't want to derail this thread into possibly the most fruitless of all arguments so this will be my last post on this.

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So you throw an idiotic bomb and now run.

So Flower Child, before you run away like the wuss you are, please tell me about the millions, est (80), killed by Leftest in the French Rev, the Russian Rev 1917, and the Chinese Rec 1930-1949.

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I'll let you turn me into a liar and have *this* be my last post on the thread.

This is why most "Leftests" leave, is because it can be rather frustrating when, for any alleged liberal or leftist:

Posting = Trolling
Continued Posting = Derailing
Stopping Posting (which I said I would do above) = Running

Meanwhile your post completely out of left field regarding deaths that happened in China, Russia, and France, aka a blatant derailment (coupled with an insult), will not get you reported, but will rather get you stars, as will all the other attacks on this page.

Most sane liberals leave. I probably will eventually but remain insane for the time being.

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I agree with Flower Child here. It's easy to feel ganged up on and overwhelmed by multiple posters throwing out insults and irrelevant comments. However, FC, you're the one that started the name calling with your smug opening post.

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Uh, I dont think so. But again by this point I have no interest in dialog or debate with people that dehumanize an entire population. Especially a mind set or ideology with as much blood as the far left has spilled in the last 130 year. They can go F* themselves.

BigFred said:

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However, seems like the tolerance level for alternative opinions has tightened.

Not only for me, but I rarely see opinions form the other side. Right wing only now? And I understand, your board......you do what you want.

/Every altering opinion is "TROLLING!!!"

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Yes. I take on certain topics here like corporate crime, political selling out of America etc which are close to my heart. There are many here who don't like to hear this and love to pretend that Corporations have our best interest at heart and they must be allowed to do as they please. So when I present facts to them with links and evidence, they respond by throwing stones (figuratively) at me. I don't mind that. On the positive side, many people here have had a light bulb moment and have posted that they now see what I meant. That is what I am trying to do, bring about awareness and get people to think for themselves, not parrot what corporate propagandists like Limbaugh or Levin scream about every morning/evening.

That said, the mods here have been very fair to me and others who do not blindly toe the group-think line. Unless free speech is protected, we will end up like Saudi Arabia.

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BigFred said:

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However, seems like the tolerance level for alternative opinions has tightened.

Not only for me, but I rarely see opinions form the other side. Right wing only now? And I understand, your board......you do what you want.

/Every altering opinion is "TROLLING!!!"

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Yes. I take on certain topics here like corporate crime, political selling out of America etc which are close to my heart. There are many here who don't like to hear this and love to pretend that Corporations have our best interest at heart and they must be allowed to do as they please. So when I present facts to them with links and evidence, they respond by throwing stones (figuratively) at me. I don't mind that. On the positive side, many people here have had a light bulb moment and have posted that they now see what I meant. That is what I am trying to do, bring about awareness and get people to think for themselves, not parrot what corporate propagandists like Limbaugh or Levin scream about every morning/evening.

That said, the mods here have been very fair to me and others who do not blindly toe the group-think line. Unless free speech is protected, we will end up like Saudi Arabia.

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"facts"

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Leftists generally don't like being questioned, so they all go hang out on reddit.

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This.

If you don't feel you can post on here...well, then that's on you. This place is no reddit that's for sure. You won't be banned for simply saying you support law enforcement or something innocuous like that.

Democrats and Republicans used to have the same goal but different ideas on how to reach them. There is no democrat party anymore. It is now at best the socialist party.

At this point in time, if I don't know you I just assume you are dumb, ignorant, crazy or lazy if you are a democrat/socialist. You can't have a debate with dumb, ignorant or crazy. Lazy only cares about not doing anything.

And with republicans, there are a lot of MAGA folks that are in the same boat. If anyone thinks he is doing a great job, they are crazy. On the other had, if anyone thinks Kamala or Biden would of been better are 10X crazier. He has done some things I am happy with. He has done a lot of things I'm not. There are a lot of MAGA folks who cannot look at his presidency objectively. A lot of them are here on this board. Trump's biggest enemy is himself.

Left of TexAgs and I used to post here a lot more but not as much lately. My reasons:

1. I got middle aged. Jobs and kids and less time for time sucks in general.
2. Ratio of discussion to ad hominem or strawman responses for alternative opinions made in good faith is unscientifically 1:4.
3. Ad hominem aren't playful ribbing, they're pretty vicious and toxic.

BigFred said:

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However, seems like the tolerance level for alternative opinions has tightened.

Not only for me, but I rarely see opinions form the other side. Right wing only now? And I understand, your board......you do what you want.

/Every altering opinion is "TROLLING!!!"

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We're into body shaming now.

"BigFred" = bad




ETA: Sorry BigRobSA...

You would make claims never back them up and when proven false would disappear. Many leftist on here did the same.

One leftist had all his posts removed because he wanted to reinvent himself as a moderate and didn't want to defend his terrible positions.

One thing you will almost never get with Leftists is to explain the deaths of those Leftist Revolutions and subsequent leadership in those countries for decades. But if you do get that rare response to answer it, it's always the same--we WOULD do socialism/communism much better than they did, we wouldn't let authoritarian power get away with murdering our own citizens, nor would we ever stop having freedoms of speech or media.

It's all their wet dream to tell you to follow their rules and their directions, while confiscating your stuff for themselves first and then the crumbs go to their supporters, all in the name of justice.

Its beyond insane.

Malibu said:

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Left of TexAgs and I used to post here a lot more but not as much lately. My reasons:

1. I got middle aged. Jobs and kids and less time for time sucks in general.
2. Ratio of discussion to ad hominem or strawman responses for alternative opinions made in good faith is unscientifically 1:4.
3. Ad hominem aren't playful ribbing, they're pretty vicious and toxic.

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lol why do take what some rando on the internet says about you to heart?

I don't. But why spend my free time arguing with strangers on the internet about politics who are more often than not unusually nasty when I could be doing literally anything else? I enjoy the political blood sport and good faith discussion when it can be had, but when framed like that, it's not a hard call to just opt out more often than not.

OP,

You are correct. This board is heavy conservative, heavy right-wing. However, there are may on the board that are very much right wing and against a lot of what Trump enforces.

For me, I guess you can call me a heavy right-wing conservative citizen. I would like to say my approach and standing is Biblically based. Everything that I seek is based on a Biblical perspective.

I would venture to say that there are many issues that our administration pushes that are not according to a Biblicaly-centric approach. However, I will say, without a smidgen of doubt, the GOP, including Trump's administration, is much more Biblical than anything that the Dems / liberals have offered in the last 80 years. It is as if the Dems have taken every single major issue, assumed which side the Lord would be on, and strongly taken the opposite side.

Flower Child said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Flower Child said:

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As a proud alternative I rather enjoy it here as it gives a good view into casual political conversation amongst christofascists, who appear to enjoy eating their own as much as liberals do.

As to what you're noticing I think it's a tendency of the modern internet in general to end up with an extreme majority in any given space. If you look at threads on r/Aggies about the same topic as is being discussed here, you will see the same problem from the other direction.

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This is just sick.

One day every knee shall bow. Hope you find your peace before then.

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You got to hand it to libs. They are very creative with making up words to try to win arguments or avoid having to debate at all.

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Term has been around longer than you've been alive but you seem to be a fan of making up things so I'll let you swim in bliss.

Anyhow I don't want to derail this thread into possibly the most fruitless of all arguments so this will be my last post on this.

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N _ _ _ _ _ has been around since before you were born too, but it is no less offensive today because of it.

Of course, context matters but your context here painted a broad brush over the entire board which just makes your post an insult lacking credibility.

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Of course, context matters but your context here painted a broad brush over the entire board which just makes your post an insult lacking credibility.

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Welcome to the culture wars, 2020s edition. My version of that is think the optimal tax rate on capital gains should be higher to reflect that real returns on capital have grown far more rapidly than real returns on labor and capital is already taxed more beneficially than labor? Be prepared to defend men peeing in the girls room in the next post. To the point, I completely agree with you, and the broad brush is annoying and used so often to sort individual posters into distinct tribes.

Malibu said:

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I don't. But why spend my free time arguing with strangers on the internet about politics who are more often than not unusually nasty when I could be doing literally anything else? I enjoy the political blood sport and good faith discussion when it can be had, but when framed like that, it's not a hard call to just opt out more often than not.

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In response to the OP, the issue is that 90% of the left that post here either are:

1. Bot like
2. Cut and pasters from Reddit
3. Drive-byes
4. Trolls
5. Are here to insult the board

Of the remaining 10%, 8% can't debate because they are taking the 20 which makes any argument they make absurd and not based in reality. They hold this like religious doctrine and can't have an honest debate because it is a matter of debate.

Of the last 2%, you have guys like M-libu who actually contribute to the conversation and come off as actual thinking human beings unlike 1-5 above. Rare birds.

Disclaimer: I was writing this post when Malibu responded above so don't interpret this series as some kind of 2-man circle jerk