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The alleged evidence Perdue is referring to, isn't that the True The Vote stuff from Catherine Engelbrecht, Dinesh D'Souza, and Greg Phillips?

The state of Georgia looked into those allegations. They learned True The Vote didn't have anything. It was a scam. A lucrative one. They duped a lot of people.

The Georgia State Board of Elections even filed a lawsuit to compel TTV to provide the alleged evidence.

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No, this was the videos of the illegal after hours counting an ballots being brought into the Fulton counting center after hours.

The state of Georgia only let the same officials accused of dereliction abd complicity examine the evidence of True the Vote and they summarily dismissed it based on an assertion that the cell phone tracking data was not precise enough to prove that the cell phone hilders were the same people stuffing ballot boxes. They rejected the same cell phone tracking technology that was used to press charges against Stop the Steal protesters who never even entered the Capitol. The state of Georgia refused to investigate but they didn't expose any dishonest or deceptive conduct by TTV.

The Georgia Election Board fought in staye courts for three years to force Secretary of State Raffensburger to turn over the 2020 ballots for inspection and audit. Raffensburger used staye attorneys to fight the GEB in court to prevent then from gaining access to the ballots that they needed to perform their auditing duty. The GEB only won their case in July 2024 and got to peek at what the DoJ seized last week.

The GEB found 17,852 votes counted with no ballot images

20,713 original votes from tabulators out of thin air

3,930 duplicates counted and inserted via intentional human intervention.

🚨🚨IMPORTANT🚨🚨

GA State Election Board will discuss SEB2023-025 this morning

17,852 votes counted with no ballot images

20,713 original votes from tabulators out of thin air

3,930 duplicates counted and inserted via intentional human intervention.

a.k.a. FRAUD pic.twitter.com/gh1VtL9VBr

— Liz Harrington (@realLizUSA) August 7, 2024

🚨🚨IMPORTANT🚨🚨

GA State Election Board will discuss SEB2023-025 this morning

17,852 votes counted with no ballot images

20,713 original votes from tabulators out of thin air

3,930 duplicates counted and inserted via intentional human intervention.

a.k.a. FRAUD pic.twitter.com/gh1VtL9VBr

— Liz Harrington (@realLizUSA) August 7, 2024

In Aug 2014, the GEB voted to overule the chair and refer the complaint of election fraud to the state Attorney General for investigation. Of course, that is the same AG that refused to conduct a thorough investigation in 2020.

UPDATE:

Election Board overrides chair to vote 3-2 to refer case to AG

Amazing news! https://t.co/mi0BTa3zC2

— Liz Harrington (@realLizUSA) August 7, 2024

These disqualifying discrepancies~32k ballots don't include the tens of thousands of pre-filled uncreased identical ballots that the DoJ seized last week nor does it normalized does it include the ballot harvesting fraud documented on video in 2000 Mules. It's all evidence that has not been debunked. Kemp-Raffensberger-Carr just refuse to investigate and take action.

Arguing with two posters talking out of their butts is not worth the time nor effort.

Horses, water thing.

1. TTV (True The Vote) refused to show to AZ AG investigators Georgia state investigators the evidence it had claimed to possess. It later admitted the evidence it claimed to have didn't actually exist.

2. GBI investigated the alleged late-night ballot stuffing accusation. They confirmed it didn't happen.

3. This link explains what Georgia state investigators found.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/georgia-state-investigation-reports-on-claims-cited-in-fbi-affidvait-fulton-county-election-hub-raid/85-7dc13be3-da11-4e9f-a59f-ae4cc91a5679#longform_chapter_5

I have only made it through part of the link you provided and it is chock-full of things that should make people question the entire process. Here are a handful I have read ,,,,

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The investigation also substantiated that Respondent did not follow proper batch management procedures for the Recount in violation of SEB Rule 183-1-15-.03.

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A state-appointed election monitor further wrote: "Generally, poor records keeping led to a multitude of procedural problems throughout the recount process,"

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The SEB issued Fulton County a letter of reprimand for this matter in 2024. The county at the time said it was unclear whether the doubled-scanned ballots were included in the official results.

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The investigator found, nonetheless, that hand-count audit in Fulton County was potentially not conducted in full accordance with state regulations

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This case was referred by the SEB to the Georgia Attorney General's Office in 2022, and a consent order was reached in 2023. The order noted county elections staff "misidentified and duplicated audit batch sheet data when entering the data into the Arlo software used by the Secretary of State's office to manage the risk-limiting audit,"

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https://georgiarecorder.com/2024/05/07/georgia-oversight-panel-ruminates-on-2020-election-hiccups-as-2024-showdowns-loom/

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Because AI never makes mistakes or lies, right?

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Exactly, ask the family whose son committed suicide with the help of ChatGPT.
Beyond all the evidence of direct election fraud there is proof that the Democratic Party leadership sponsored lies, a lot of lies, against Republicans including lawfare.
Anyone that believes there was no election interference by the Democratic Party leadership is delusional.

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Again, I am not going to take the time to do that.

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of course you won't. People who want to stay ignorant stay ignorant and happily so. Ignorance is bliss after all.

So maybe sit this one out?

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Exactly. And trust fatally flawed AI in its current form.
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1. TTV (True The Vote) refused to show to AZ AG investigators Georgia state investigators the evidence it had claimed to possess. It later admitted the evidence it claimed to have didn't actually exist.

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The "evidence" that True the Vote refused to divulge was not the evidence of voter fraud. They provided all of that to the GBI and FBI.

TTV, specifically Catherine Engebrecht and Gregg Phillips, refused to reveal the contact information and transcripts of communications with a confidential source that provided information on the activities of company called Konnech that provides poll worker management software to election offices.

Konnech's software manages the poll worker that is seen in this photo putting up carboard to block the view of poll watchers in Detroit trying to monitor the counting of votes int he 2020 election.



https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/republican-poll-watchers-demand-to-be-let-in-during-detroit-vote-count

Konnech sued TTV for defamation because TTV claimed that Konnech was illegally storing voter information on servers in China. This was based on a January 2021 meeting in Dallas with informants who worked for Konnech. Konnech was founded by Eugene Yu, a Chinese national who TTV claimed was a member and agent of the CCP.


On Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 U.S. District Judge Kenneth Hoyt demanded to know the identity of a confidential source working for Konnech that had provided information about election fraud to TTV. TTVs attorney provided the name of Mike Hasson but they refused to provide contact information for him because he believes he is in danger of harm from the Chinese Communist Party. On Friday, Oct 28, 2022 Konnech provided a photograph of a man they allege to be Mike Hasson and neither Engelbrecht or Phillips would confirm that the man in the picture was Mike Hasson. Hoyt held Engelbrecht and Phillips in contempt for refusing to provide contact information on Hasson.

Regardless of being held in contempt for not releasing the contact information for their source, Mike Hasson, the allegations that Konnech stored poll worker identification information on Chinese servers was true.



As stated above, Eugene Yu also owns Chinese based Hongzheng Technologies which is the number one provider of election technology to the China's National People's Congress. That is almost a guarantee that it is CCP controlled. Hongzheng also listed on their website as clients Washington D.C., St Louis MO, Detroit MI, and other US counties that are ostensibly supported by Konnech. Konnech and Hongzheng are effectively the same company. TTV and Engelbrecht were accurate in their allegations but Engelbrecht was still jailed in contempt.

We have idiot election officials hiring a CCP controlled company to run their elections?

Where is the line between ignorance and treason?

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For me, the stories of lawyers trying to use AI to write pleadings and briefs and getting called out by judges for citing nonexistent cases was a huge warning flag.

Legal research can be tedious but it is also very formulaic. Certain steps in a certain order which includes running updates to ensure the cases one is citing have not been overruled by a later case. Citation forms are strict but again follow a set of rules.

All of which could be written into software to do. We already have search engines specifically for legal research which use databases. If WestLaw and LexisNexis can do it, why can't AI?

Because it is not designed to do so is my only logical conclusion.

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Someone will train an AI to specifically do legal work. You can program / train AI from doing certain things like make up court cases. If you feed an LLM enough briefs as template responses to the available data, the LLM will pick up exactly what you are looking for.

Some version of this already exists, I am sure. Maybe even proprietary to certain larger firms.

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We have idiot election officials hiring a CCP controlled company to run their elections?

Where is the line between ignorance and treason?

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Dallas County hired Haider Garcia, of Venezuela (home of Smartmatic), to manage their elections. See a problem?

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Damn dude.

1) Judge calls out SoS of Georgia, saying the entire investigation was compromised because you had the fox watching the hen house. The SoS cannot investigate the SoS and there be an expectation of justice.

2) The court knows for certain that there were double-counted ballots, but doesn't know how many were actually double counted.

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I suspect the poster is just using AI to construct his "arguments." He knows everything he is being told. He is just OK with rigged elections.

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Arguing with two posters talking out of their butts is not worth the time nor effort.

Horses, water thing.

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One is definitely a sock who had less than 180 posts in 10 yrs. Someone decided to resurrect an account to make their side seem more prevalent.

The poster, I believe, mentioned they have personal experience around elections, so it makes sense to be interested in weighing in. Also, the fact the user has less than 180 total posts since 2015 and even less on F16 suggest the poster is not trolling, but actually believes what they believe.

The cynic in me chalks up the opinions to being formed by what they have been fed through Facebook/Reddit/Google/Wiki/etc., political affiliation, and/or loyalty to fellow election workers. There is not enough history to know for sure, but I would not be surprised to find it is all three to some degree.

I will even concede it is not unreasonable for people having "conspiracy-fatigue." At some point it is alright to know these things are managed by humans and humans can be both dumb and lazy. It doesn't always mean their motives are nefarious.

With that said, this topic blows by just being a stack of "whoopsies." At the bare minimum, the system in place is setup perfectly to allow for fraud and inability to accurately do any type of forensic audit. Even if we disagree on if fraud occurred, it is insane we cannot agree the election process, as it exists today, it is highly vulnerable to fraud. Flip the script and show the same data but the outcome being Trump instead of Biden in 2020 with all the issues and tell me the MSM / Dems would not have gone after this both barrels blazing.

And of course people can and do lie on here about who they are and what they do. Just a thought.

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With that said, this topic blows by just being a stack of "whoopsies." At the bare minimum, the system in place is setup perfectly to allow for fraud and inability to accurately do any type of forensic audit. Even if we disagree on if fraud occurred, it is insane we cannot agree the election process, as it exists today, it is highly vulnerable to fraud. Flip the script and show the same data but the outcome being Trump instead of Biden in 2020 with all the issues and tell me the MSM / Dems would not have gone after this both barrels blazing.

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The 2000 election didn't have fraud within the election itself, the attempts by the Gore team to change the rules for counting was the issue. And since there were actual ballots in Florida, recoints done by AP and other media outlets were able to confirm W.'s win.

But that wasn't remotely possible in 2004. Kerry had no avenue in which to challenge because most electronic voting was with DREs, digital only.

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With that said, this topic blows by just being a stack of "whoopsies." At the bare minimum, the system in place is setup perfectly to allow for fraud and inability to accurately do any type of forensic audit. Even if we disagree on if fraud occurred, it is insane we cannot agree the election process, as it exists today, it is highly vulnerable to fraud.

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Bingo! You hit on the exact point that 100% of the election fraud deniers refuse to acknowledge. They will fight tooth and nail to prevent any kind of effort to investigate whether fraud has happened by using the mantra "nobody has ever proven that there was widespread fraud!!1!!1" While ignoring that the entire system is built to prevent anybody from being able to prove fraud and anything that is tried to investigate it is stonewalled by elections records that disappear and election boards that refuse access to any of the equipment or records. Even things as simple as purging registered voter rolls of illegals, dead people, people listing non-existent addresses as their home, etc. are claimed as racist or discriminatory instead of being welcomed. Election officials who ignore the processes and back checks that are essential to proving that counts or recounts were done correctly are shrugged off as just "Oh they are just lazy" instead of insisting on revising the process to ensure that votes that are not accounted for properly cannot be added to the tally.

I had a knock down drag out argument with my brother who is a huge lefty in 2021 because he was incensed by efforts to do after-election audits of what happened. He insisted that the very act of wanting to audit the processes was sowing distrust of the election process, while failing to understand that the fact that the elections officials were willing to defy courts and take actions to wipe machines clean to prevent forensics to prevent such audits made it clear that there was something worth hiding. I would ask "if the elections are so clean and free of fraud, what is wrong with having an independent nonpartisan group go step by step through the process and audit the records to prove it?" And his only response was that the simple act of asking for such an investigation was creating out of thin air distrust in the process and validity of the election result, instead of coming about because such distrust already existed and was being fanned by refusal to even consider independent auditing/investigation.

And his argument always boiled down to "nobody has proven there was actual fraud necessary to trigger such an investigation", while ignoring the fact that the process was designed to prevent anybody from ever being able to prove fraud happened without access to the records that the elections officials were willing to destroy or face court sanction for failure to produce rather than let it be used to look for fraud.

Instead of getting in the weeds with people I simply state "there is fraud and cheating in EVERY aspect of life, business, sports, marriages you name it and yet for the most powerful position in the world we're supposed to believe there is virtually no fraud or cheating?" Yeah, go sell crazy somewhere else.

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With that said, this topic blows by just being a stack of "whoopsies." At the bare minimum, the system in place is setup perfectly to allow for fraud and inability to accurately do any type of forensic audit. Even if we disagree on if fraud occurred, it is insane we cannot agree the election process, as it exists today, it is highly vulnerable to fraud.

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Bingo! You hit on the exact point that 100% of the election fraud deniers refuse to acknowledge. They will fight tooth and nail to prevent any kind of effort to investigate whether fraud has happened by using the mantra "nobody has ever proven that there was widespread fraud!!1!!1" While ignoring that the entire system is built to prevent anybody from being able to prove fraud and anything that is tried to investigate it is stonewalled by elections records that disappear and election boards that refuse access to any of the equipment or records. Even things as simple as purging registered voter rolls of illegals, dead people, people listing non-existent addresses as their home, etc. are claimed as racist or discriminatory instead of being welcomed. Election officials who ignore the processes and back checks that are essential to proving that counts or recounts were done correctly are shrugged off as just "Oh they are just lazy" instead of insisting on revising the process to ensure that votes that are not accounted for properly cannot be added to the tally.

I had a knock down drag out argument with my brother who is a huge lefty in 2021 because he was incensed by efforts to do after-election audits of what happened. He insisted that the very act of wanting to audit the processes was sowing distrust of the election process, while failing to understand that the fact that the elections officials were willing to defy courts and take actions to wipe machines clean to prevent forensics to prevent such audits made it clear that there was something worth hiding. I would ask "if the elections are so clean and free of fraud, what is wrong with having an independent nonpartisan group go step by step through the process and audit the records to prove it?" And his only response was that the simple act of asking for such an investigation was creating out of thin air distrust in the process and validity of the election result, instead of coming about because such distrust already existed and was being fanned by refusal to even consider independent auditing/investigation.

And his argument always boiled down to "nobody has proven there was actual fraud necessary to trigger such an investigation", while ignoring the fact that the process was designed to prevent anybody from ever being able to prove fraud happened without access to the records that the elections officials were willing to destroy or face court sanction for failure to produce rather than let it be used to look for fraud.

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With that said, this topic blows by just being a stack of "whoopsies." At the bare minimum, the system in place is setup perfectly to allow for fraud and inability to accurately do any type of forensic audit. Even if we disagree on if fraud occurred, it is insane we cannot agree the election process, as it exists today, it is highly vulnerable to fraud.

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Bingo! You hit on the exact point that 100% of the election fraud deniers refuse to acknowledge. They will fight tooth and nail to prevent any kind of effort to investigate whether fraud has happened by using the mantra "nobody has ever proven that there was widespread fraud!!1!!1" While ignoring that the entire system is built to prevent anybody from being able to prove fraud and anything that is tried to investigate it is stonewalled by elections records that disappear and election boards that refuse access to any of the equipment or records. Even things as simple as purging registered voter rolls of illegals, dead people, people listing non-existent addresses as their home, etc. are claimed as racist or discriminatory instead of being welcomed. Election officials who ignore the processes and back checks that are essential to proving that counts or recounts were done correctly are shrugged off as just "Oh they are just lazy" instead of insisting on revising the process to ensure that votes that are not accounted for properly cannot be added to the tally.

I had a knock down drag out argument with my brother who is a huge lefty in 2021 because he was incensed by efforts to do after-election audits of what happened. He insisted that the very act of wanting to audit the processes was sowing distrust of the election process, while failing to understand that the fact that the elections officials were willing to defy courts and take actions to wipe machines clean to prevent forensics to prevent such audits made it clear that there was something worth hiding. I would ask "if the elections are so clean and free of fraud, what is wrong with having an independent nonpartisan group go step by step through the process and audit the records to prove it?" And his only response was that the simple act of asking for such an investigation was creating out of thin air distrust in the process and validity of the election result, instead of coming about because such distrust already existed and was being fanned by refusal to even consider independent auditing/investigation.

And his argument always boiled down to "nobody has proven there was actual fraud necessary to trigger such an investigation", while ignoring the fact that the process was designed to prevent anybody from ever being able to prove fraud happened without access to the records that the elections officials were willing to destroy or face court sanction for failure to produce rather than let it be used to look for fraud.

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Assume you mean 2016? And no, I don't think he felt that way, or if he did he never expressed it to me. He seems to have caught TDS real bad though between 2016 and 2020.

Read the full order: https://t.co/Utl8X6DyLo

— Anna Bower (@AnnaBower) March 26, 2026

Court sides with DOJ over FBI raid in Fulton County, ruling that the FBI did NOT violate their constitutional rights.

Another HUGE WIN for election integrity!pic.twitter.com/tZ7EnKpubN

— The SCIF (@TheSCIF) March 30, 2026