***Iran [Military Action Thread]***[See Staff Note in OP]

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will25u said:



They have the ability to execute secret military operations like this without us knowing about? Without Mossad? They may have done it, but I don't know how secret it really could have been.
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They may have done it, but I don't know how secret it really could have been.

Plausible deniability. Wink, wink.
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aggiehawg said:

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They may have done it, but I don't know how secret it really could have been.

Plausible deniability. Wink, wink.

As I said half-jokingly in an earlier post, it's nice turning the "it wasn't us" game against the regime that has been playing that game for 40+ years.
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I would imagine not only were we informed we probably assisted along with Israel on the intelligence.

Some of the scuttle on the quick suspending of Project Freedom was our "allies" in UAE, Saudi and even Oman were asking us to give them time so they could be prepared to not only defend themselves but to participate in retribution.

Iran doesn't have many friends left. Russia said enough as they need to wrap up Ukraine one way or another. And Xi is about to get a very clear picture of what awaits him if he helps Iran against us.

Tell China any damage attributed to the will be repaid 10x in debt cancellation (though i think they substantially reduced their holdings). Dont like it, then we will embargo China.

Trump so not playing and he certainly is not going into this weekend from a weak position.
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The Arabs. The old adage about lacking honor among thieves comes to mind. They may be Satan but they are our Satan.

Iranians are Persians. The Arabs are a big group and Persians aren't in it.
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I still think that China should have little interest in propping up the IRGC unless they think by doing so, we will be drawn into a quagmire. Trump seems particularly focused on NOT getting into that situation, so it seems to me the best course is for China to, at most, show token support for their IRGC partners in case they somehow survive. They are better off spending their time positioning themselves to renew their deals with the next Iranian regime and staying out of our (and the rest of the ME's) way.
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aggiehawg said:

The Arabs. The old adage about lacking honor among thieves comes to mind. They may be Satan but they are our Satan.

Iranians are Persians. The Arabs are a big group and Persians aren't in it.
Only about 61 million of the 92 million are Persians. The recently deceased Khameni is only half Persian, making the Gay one at least 1/4 Azerbaijani (not Persian).

Even though it's a bit higher percentage of Persians in Islamic Republic of Iran leadership, I think the Shia allegiance may outweigh the Arab v Persian divide. But the Arabs themselves along with most of the world is about tired of "Islamic" regimes and republics.
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American Hardwood said:

I still think that China should have little interest in propping up the IRGC unless they think by doing so, we will be drawn into a quagmire. Trump seems particularly focused on NOT getting into that situation, so it seems to me the best course is for China to, at most, show token support for their IRGC partners in case they somehow survive. They are better off spending their time positioning themselves to renew their deals with the next Iranian regime and staying out of our (and the rest of the ME's) way.

The list of American business leaders (having big business in China) going with Trump as part of the delegation is pretty long and very noteworthy. Some may think they are there for trade purposes and not diplomatic relating to Iran.

But I do not believe that. Not the way Trump works. He has many arrows in his quiver and will use them.
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What's the percentage of these X links you guys post are fake? Curious because no other news entity is discussing these "incidents".
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25%. Maybe. Most people here follow real accounts that source their info. They dont always get it right, but typically at least provide a source
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AGpops1923 said:

What's the percentage of these X links you guys post are fake? Curious because no other news entity is discussing these "incidents".


The news in general does a terrible job of talking about day to day events in these conflicts. Most of the X accounts I have quoted in the conflict when I was following it closely were the ones who have shown to be fairly reliable going back to the Ukraine war and the Israel / Iran War in 2025.

The Institute for the Study of War is a very good follow, for example.
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American Hardwood said:

will25u said:



They have the ability to execute secret military operations like this without us knowing about? Without Mossad? They may have done it, but I don't know how secret it really could have been.

obviously whatever UAE is doing is in coordination with the USA and Israel.

I mean LITERALLY there is an Israeli Iron Dome battery operating in the UAE!

of course the USN and USAF and NGA see everything that is happening in the Gulf.
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How do we end a war when the people you are fighting want to die for their virgins? In WW2 the Japanese were willing to die for the empire and their pride, but the Iranians just want to die. There is no peace deal possible if the greatest prize in their mind is death. Let's make that happen so the rest of us can get on with our lives.
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FriscoKid said:

How do we end a war when the people you are fighting want to die for their virgins? In WW2 the Japanese were willing to die for the empire and their pride, but the Iranians just want to die. There is no peace deal possible if the greatest prize in their mind is death. Let's make that happen so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

Exactly! I'm a proud Trump voter but his bravado ultimatums and threats have become beyond embarrassing. The Iranians are stating that they will only agree to their terms like they're the ones that won and will dictate terms. The fact that Trump has skull ****ed them weeks ago when they basically mocked us is unacceptable to me. If his actions don't match his rhetoric after his visit with Xi, then he's not who I eagerly voted for. He looks like Iran's ***** right now and if they can keep their nuclear program then all Trump has done is waste our money and time. I'm going to be beyond pissed if all this exercise did was raise fuel prices and inflation.
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There is by force.
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We in the spectator seats just don't really know what is going on, imho. Leaders preparing to flee to Moscow?
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nortex97 said:

We in the spectator seats just don't really know what is going on, imho. Leaders preparing to flee to Moscow?

Good read, thank you for posting.
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FriscoKid said:

How do we end a war when the people you are fighting want to die for their virgins? In WW2 the Japanese were willing to die for the empire and their pride, but the Iranians just want to die. There is no peace deal possible if the greatest prize in their mind is death. Let's make that happen so the rest of us can get on with our lives.


If they die, they die. Totally ok with that!
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nortex97 said:

We in the spectator seats just don't really know what is going on, imho. Leaders preparing to flee to Moscow?


That is the most optimistic thing I have read in weeks. I really hope it is true. Thanks for posting.
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Tailgate88 said:

nortex97 said:

We in the spectator seats just don't really know what is going on, imho. Leaders preparing to flee to Moscow?


That is the most optimistic thing I have read in weeks. I really hope it is true. Thanks for posting.


Before everyone imprints this in their mind as actual events happening in Iran, the above article is someone's OPINION on what COULD happen. The basis for his opinion is grounded on events that happened in Syria, which had been embroiled in years long civil war before Assad left. We haven't even gotten to civil war in Iran.

There are no reasons why anyone from the IRGC should be fleeing, they hold the power and are causing all our problems. The civilian leaders who want to make a deal, and have been blocked at every turn, are the only ones who might even consider fleeing at this point.
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FriscoKid said:

How do we end a war when the people you are fighting want to die for their virgins? In WW2 the Japanese were willing to die for the empire and their pride, but the Iranians just want to die. There is no peace deal possible if the greatest prize in their mind is death. Let's make that happen so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

The number of Iranians WILLING to die for the Islamic Republic of Iran's ayatollah led regime is a very, very small number. Probably less than 1%.

However, the number of people who will be forced to die at the gunpoint or threat of the gunpoint is a number a bit higher.

But there is absolutely no groundswell amongst the majority of Iranians that are willing to die for virgins or a meet & greet with Mahdi.
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nortex97 said:

We in the spectator seats just don't really know what is going on, imho. Leaders preparing to flee to Moscow?
Moscow for the city folk, but I would head out to the Russia version of Nazi Patagonia… Lake Baikal.

Plus it minimizes collateral damage if future drone strikes are needed for any of those fellas who still are yearning for martyrdom.
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How do we end a war when the people you are fighting want to die for their virgins?

You kill them before they kill you.

All of them.
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the Islamic Republic economy was a basket case BEFORE we attacked them.

which is why there were millions in the streets protesting in January 2026 before they were massacred

every day that goes by WITHOUT A FUNCTIONING INTERNET, without IMPORTS, without exporting OIL

their economy craters even more

ONE US Dollar is worth:

Today (May 12, 2026), 1 USD 1,842,000 Iranian rials on the open/remittance market up about 12,000 rials (0.66%) from yesterday's rate of 1,830,000.

Worth noting: Iran has multiple exchange rates (official, open market, remittance), and they can differ significantly. The figure above reflects the open market rate.

The rial has also weakened considerably over the past six months the dollar's value in rials has risen about 64%
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rgag12 said:

Tailgate88 said:

nortex97 said:

We in the spectator seats just don't really know what is going on, imho. Leaders preparing to flee to Moscow?


That is the most optimistic thing I have read in weeks. I really hope it is true. Thanks for posting.


Before everyone imprints this in their mind as actual events happening in Iran, the above article is someone's OPINION on what COULD happen. The basis for his opinion is grounded on events that happened in Syria, which had been embroiled in years long civil war before Assad left. We haven't even gotten to civil war in Iran.

There are no reasons why anyone from the IRGC should be fleeing, they hold the power and are causing all our problems. The civilian leaders who want to make a deal, and have been blocked at every turn, are the only ones who might even consider fleeing at this point.

You poorly understand the situation in Iran if you think members of the regime (IRGC is oft used as synonymous with the regime, but they are only one "branch), and it may be the top couple of guys (whatever that means after the recent reorganizations regardless) - the IRGC is not going to flee at all until whatever remains of ayatollahs, mullahs and the religious council say they can. Same for "civilian" leaders - though that concept is a misnomer as it's a theocracy at its core.

Comparing to Syria is another apple v orange for a long list of reasons. Not all radical, murderous regimes in the Middle East are created with the same recipe.
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LMCane said:

the Islamic Republic economy was a basket case BEFORE we attacked them.

which is why there were millions in the streets protesting in January 2026 before they were massacred

every day that goes by WITHOUT A FUNCTIONING INTERNET, without IMPORTS, without exporting OIL

their economy craters even more

ONE US Dollar is worth:

Today (May 12, 2026), 1 USD 1,842,000 Iranian rials on the open/remittance market up about 12,000 rials (0.66%) from yesterday's rate of 1,830,000.

Worth noting: Iran has multiple exchange rates (official, open market, remittance), and they can differ significantly. The figure above reflects the open market rate.

The rial has also weakened considerably over the past six months the dollar's value in rials has risen about 64%


Unfortunately, seems whoever is running that outfit DGAF about their economy.

They only care about dying so they can get their virgins.

So, we should be granting their wishes.
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LMCane said:

the Islamic Republic economy was a basket case BEFORE we attacked them.

which is why there were millions in the streets protesting in January 2026 before they were massacred

every day that goes by WITHOUT A FUNCTIONING INTERNET, without IMPORTS, without exporting OIL

their economy craters even more

ONE US Dollar is worth:

Today (May 12, 2026), 1 USD 1,842,000 Iranian rials on the open/remittance market up about 12,000 rials (0.66%) from yesterday's rate of 1,830,000.

Worth noting: Iran has multiple exchange rates (official, open market, remittance), and they can differ significantly. The figure above reflects the open market rate.

The rial has also weakened considerably over the past six months the dollar's value in rials has risen about 64%


I guess that's one way to improve poverty and unemployment rates.
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rgag12 said:

Before everyone imprints this in their mind as actual events happening in Iran, the above article is someone's OPINION on what COULD happen. The basis for his opinion is grounded on events that happened in Syria, which had been embroiled in years long civil war before Assad left. We haven't even gotten to civil war in Iran.

There are no reasons why anyone from the IRGC should be fleeing, they hold the power and are causing all our problems. The civilian leaders who want to make a deal, and have been blocked at every turn, are the only ones who might even consider fleeing at this point.

It's not the same chronology, sure, but it is similar in that Assad lost the ability to pay his military/enforcers, so the regime quickly 'shockingly' lost control of key territory (much smaller country). The economic/financial collapse in Iran is actually more severe on a near-term timeline vs. the last 6 months of Syria under Assad, imho.
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Meanwhile, the Iranian top tier may well be preparing their golden parachutes.
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With diplomatic options perhaps exhausted and the regime's stability in question, an expert suggests the exit strategy any leadership may be eyeing might be similar to that of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who fled Syria in 2024.

"If the situation deteriorates further, some senior figures could potentially follow a path like Bashar al-Assad's inner circle and seek refuge in Russia," Middle East expert Saeid Golkar told Fox News Digital.

Because you know these guys all have Swiss bank accounts. That's a given in thug societies like the present-day Iran.

The IRGC had to import Shia arab 'militias' from Iraq (at great cost) last month to put down the latest threats/uprisings, and their cash flow is not improving. Yes, I agree it is speculative but again I don't think it is easy to say anyone's prognostication at this point is just not right with any degree of certainty. If I were a high ranking IRGC 'type' with tens of millions stashed in Swiss accounts etc, I wouldn't be enthused to stick around given the 'situation' around Iran. It could become a violent route in a hurry.

And, the shadow banking sector being targeted matters, not least of all Bank Sepah. Notice even China (quietly) restricted transactions with our targeted sanctioned IRGC folks:
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China's government publicly ordered its companies to ignore US sanctions on Iranian oil buyers. Its financial regulator then quietly told the same banks to stop lending to those companies. Beijing's mouth says one thing. Beijing's money says another.

On May 2, China's Ministry of Commerce invoked its Blocking Statute, formally ordering all Chinese entities not to acknowledge or comply with US sanctions against five Chinese petrochemical companies buying Iranian crude. It was a defiant, public stand on sovereignty.

Within days, China's National Financial Regulatory Administration privately advised its largest state-owned banks to suspend new loans to those same five sanctioned refineries.

No press release. No public statement. No acknowledgment that this directly contradicts the Commerce Ministry's position.

This is the gap between what the CCP says and what it actually does when its banks' access to the US financial system is at stake. Secondary sanctions, which Rubio warned would follow, cut off any institution doing business with sanctioned entities from the entire US dollar system. Chinese state banks cannot afford that. So they comply quietly while the government shouts defiance publicly.

China is not actually standing by the IRGC, and that matters, imho, militarily/strategically.
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China wants the access to oil from the ME reliably restored. They aren't going to have a particular bias for or against the current Iranian regime unless that regime continues to have an intractable relationship with pretty much everyone else trying to move oil out of the region.

China probably sees this is causing us political problems but it isn't causing us much economic trouble. It is causing them major problems, however. The current situation can't last and I am sure Xi and Trump have much to talk about regarding trying to leverage this thing to an end to our mutual benefit. Not to mention everyone else's who uses a lot of oil.

Trump is probably holding off any exceptional action on our part until that discussion is had and an agreement is made on how to resolve this, amongst other matters.

We are in no particular hurry. It is unpleasant to wait them out but we aren't suffering all that much. Things are still much better than in 2022 for example.

Note that Iran's neighbors are getting increasingly belligerent with them. Iran has been rendered largely defenseless and their neighbors have some fairly modern US military technology they can deploy of their own accord.

The IRGC and regime can hunker down and try to wait this out but it is hard to do that with tens of millions of Iranian citizens around them increasingly angry at being made to suffer all over a nuclear weapons program.


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FriscoKid said:

How do we end a war when the people you are fighting want to die for their virgins? In WW2 the Japanese were willing to die for the empire and their pride, but the Iranians just want to die. There is no peace deal possible if the greatest prize in their mind is death. Let's make that happen so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

Kill them?
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Those two captains and two lieutenants were probably privates cleaning toilets in the bunkers just 2 weeks ago.

Would think this is potentially indicative of the decentralized nature of the leadership of any org in Iran, not just the IRGC.

Good indications (potentially).
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will25u said:



What does a cease fire really mean if you don't respond when attacked?
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