Still haven't heard the answer to why he won't just go through Congress if tariffs are such a great thing that we all support and want! Will of the people, right?

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Tariffs are within the law even they are poor economic policy tactics. Trump using emergency powers to establish tariffs without Congressional approval and oversight is not Constitutional.

If you believe in the rule of law and the separation of powers then this ruling is proper.

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I still don't get how three justices disagreed. When he obviously broke the law.

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Because no matter how many times you say it, it wasn't obvious. That's why we have a supreme court to help interpret these things.

The only reason it is "obvious" to you is because your entire mind operates under the algorithm"every thing Trump does is evil."

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Still haven't heard the answer to why he won't just go through Congress if tariffs are such a great thing that we all support and want! Will of the people, right?

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Congress can't pass voter ID despite it having 85% approval.

Do you really need this explained to you? Or are you just pretending to be that ignorant?

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gotta love that trump's approvals on tariffs and the economy is complete dog****, they're having the opposite effect from intended, and by almost any measure have been an abject failure, yet he remains undeterred to double and even triple down on them into an election where affordability and the economy is the #1 issue.

why stop at 15%? make them 25%, hell why not 100%! we'll bring in quadrillions of dollars!

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Either he's playing 4D chess and is truly 10,000 steps ahead of everyone else like some on this board believe, or he's doing something that no other administration has done because it's simply stupid/misused economic policy.

I guess time will tell. Personally, my money (pun intended) is on the latter.

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They gambled and made a buck, and I am supposed to admire their financial prowess?

Lil buddy, I have worked with and now partner / invest with those corp CEOs you have only seen at your company picnic, if you were invited. So tone down the rhetoric on this.

People made a ton of money selling beanie babies, pet rocks, Pokmon cards and carbon credits. This falls somewhere along that line.

Make your buck on "advising" and then I would put that money somewhere other than buying refund claims that depend on payments that will never happen,

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I'm sure you do. I'm not going to argue with you about who has more important friends. It's obvious that you don't understand complex issues and risk/reward, and it's also obvious you're one of those feelings based decision makers. That's fine, but you should be honest with yourself about that. Of all the people I've interacted with at high levels of companies of any reasonable size, I can count on one hand the ones who reacted with emotion like you do. A few will default to being very anti-risk, but most understand the relationship between risk and price, as well as the value of risk distribution and risk shifting. Since all your friends are big time bad asses, I'm sure you understand that too.

I do have a question for you. If the refunds will not happen, why did the government include in one of their filings that they would refund any tariffs found to be inappropriate by the court? Was the administration lying?

What have they done!?

"While I am sure that they did not mean to do so, the supreme court's decision today made a president's ability to both regulate trade and impose tariffs, more powerful and more crystal clear, rather than less,"

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ETFan said:

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Still haven't heard the answer to why he won't just go through Congress if tariffs are such a great thing that we all support and want! Will of the people, right?

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Congress can't pass voter ID despite it having 85% approval.

Do you really need this explained to you? Or are you just pretending to be that ignorant?

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So he's King then. Like I've been saying.

Have you said thanks?

So you are just trolling.

Cool. Have fun with that, I guess.

Old McDonald said:

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gotta love that trump's approvals on tariffs and the economy is complete dog****, they're having the opposite effect from intended, and by almost any measure have been an abject failure, yet he remains undeterred to double and even triple down on them into an election where affordability and the economy is the #1 issue.

why stop at 15%? make them 25%, hell why not 100%! we'll bring in quadrillions of dollars!

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Under what measure is the economy compleye dog *****

Gas prices have been at 5 year lows. Disposable income has gone up. Real wages have gone up. Unemployment is at 4.3%.

Go ahead. Show your work. Make a fact based case. I'll wait.

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So you are just trolling.

Cool. Have fun with that, I guess.

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How am I trolling? Who decided these section 122 tariffs.

Can anyone explain how an additional 15% tax on goods helps us? This plus Ai, good luck affording electronics.

Small businesses are about to be priced out of hardware. Welcome to the cloud and your forever subscriptions.

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Did him saying these things and taking actions he is legally allowed to take in response to a SCOTUS decision he (along with 1/3 of the court) did not agree with? And that reeks of "dictator" to you?

Again, it's a really weak insult that frankly doesn't make a lot of sense. Seems lazy.

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Whether or not these actions are legal is yet to be seen. Trump has a history of ignoring laws and just breaking them, willy-nilly.

You know that Trump's legal advisors told him the IEEPA tariffs were illegal, but he simply argued with them until he found one that said 'maybe', and ran with it.

Of course, Trump has to destroy the USA in order to protect us from ourselves. We should be thankful.

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Are you in his cabinet or in his legal team? You seem to be very informed about the discussions Trump had internally on this.

And what laws are you thinking he broke williynilly?why have impeachment proceedings not begun?

Also, can you list which POTUSs have never had an executive action considered and overruled by SCOTUS?

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You tell us. You seem to be the expert on legalities of tariffs and what Dear Leader is doing with the 15%.

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How can I know when he's not following any of the rules?

That's literally the point of calling him dear leader.

J H C.

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How do you know he is not following the rules?

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This is how it goes, nitpick until you can say "youre not a lawyer so invalid" So why even discuss?

Consider section 122 has never been invoked and was involved after the ruling, after his public tantrum, and requires "large and serious United States balance-of-payments deficits." to invoke, I'm going with; dubious at best.

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They have been working on plan B for months. IEEPA was invoked cause of speed and breadth that Trump wanted to act width. The other codes / sections can be a bit more cumbersome?

How was me asking you to clarify him not following the rules nitpicking? And if you don't think we have trade imbalances across the poor then you simply must have your head in the sand.

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Old McDonald said:

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gotta love that trump's approvals on tariffs and the economy is complete dog****, they're having the opposite effect from intended, and by almost any measure have been an abject failure, yet he remains undeterred to double and even triple down on them into an election where affordability and the economy is the #1 issue.

why stop at 15%? make them 25%, hell why not 100%! we'll bring in quadrillions of dollars!

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Under what measure is the economy compleye dog *****

Gas prices have been at 5 year lows. Disposable income has gone up. Real wages have gone up. Unemployment is at 4.3%.

Go ahead. Show your work. Make a fact based case. I'll wait.

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I think it must be that those who think this economy is complete dog **** live in a world funded by US AID and other government grafts and so all their commie lib social worker friends and their women studies degrees are having a hard time getting funding to sit in the arse diddling their septum rings on zoom calls discussing how to save democracy from Trump.

That or they simply are following the orders of their puppet masters to try and gaslight about a dog**** economy.

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Can anyone explain how an additional 15% tax on goods helps us? This plus Ai, good luck affording electronics.

Small businesses are about to be priced out of hardware. Welcome to the cloud and your forever subscriptions.

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Why are AI things so expensive? Biden passed the CHIPS act years ago? Why has it not worked?

Old McDonald said:

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gotta love that trump's approvals on tariffs and the economy is complete dog****, they're having the opposite effect from intended, and by almost any measure have been an abject failure, yet he remains undeterred to double and even triple down on them into an election where affordability and the economy is the #1 issue.

why stop at 15%? make them 25%, hell why not 100%! we'll bring in quadrillions of dollars!

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And Those penguins have been very unfair to us and word is one of the macaroni penguins was making fun of trumps hair…so let's impose a 700% tariff on the Heard and Macdonald islands

Also,
I'm still waiting for my pharmacy check. He did after all reduce drug prices by 600%

My retirements funds would beg to differ

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My retirements funds would beg to differ

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"Look at me! I'm gonna have multiple retirements!"

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ETFan said:

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Can anyone explain how an additional 15% tax on goods helps us? This plus Ai, good luck affording electronics.

Small businesses are about to be priced out of hardware. Welcome to the cloud and your forever subscriptions.

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Why are AI things so expensive? Biden passed the CHIPS act years ago? Why has it not worked?

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Well, it takes years to bring fabs online? We have several that have broke ground and are in the works. Trump even came in and improved some portions of it the CHIPS Act.

Those fabs aren't online yet. Ai companies have bought up all current and future supply. Literally quadrupling RAM and soon HDD prices.

We better slam another 15% tariff on things in the meantime???

That was my point. I've seen the hardware prices in our company, we're going to be priced out of refreshes if this continues.

Seems hard for the President to rely on the 15 percent statute (sec 122) when his DOJ in our case told the Court the opposite: “Nor does [122] have any obvious application here, where the concerns the President identified in declaring an emergency arise from trade deficits, which…

— Neal Katyal (@neal_katyal) February 21, 2026

Tweet is from the guy who just won the tariff case. Good luck.

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They gambled and made a buck, and I am supposed to admire their financial prowess?

Lil buddy, I have worked with and now partner / invest with those corp CEOs you have only seen at your company picnic, if you were invited. So tone down the rhetoric on this.

People made a ton of money selling beanie babies, pet rocks, Pokmon cards and carbon credits. This falls somewhere along that line.

Make your buck on "advising" and then I would put that money somewhere other than buying refund claims that depend on payments that will never happen,

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that poster strikes me as a guy stuck in middle management who is often ignored.

Just one beautiful one. Enjoying it daily,

What does the Constitution actually say about the powers of the President (executive) regarding foreign policy and trade? Did the court actually consider that in full?

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Watermelon Man said:

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Did him saying these things and taking actions he is legally allowed to take in response to a SCOTUS decision he (along with 1/3 of the court) did not agree with? And that reeks of "dictator" to you?

Again, it's a really weak insult that frankly doesn't make a lot of sense. Seems lazy.

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Whether or not these actions are legal is yet to be seen. Trump has a history of ignoring laws and just breaking them, willy-nilly.

You know that Trump's legal advisors told him the IEEPA tariffs were illegal, but he simply argued with them until he found one that said 'maybe', and ran with it.

Of course, Trump has to destroy the USA in order to protect us from ourselves. We should be thankful.

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Are you in his cabinet or in his legal team? You seem to be very informed about the discussions Trump had internally on this.

And what laws are you thinking he broke williynilly?why have impeachment proceedings not begun?

Also, can you list which POTUSs have never had an executive action considered and overruled by SCOTUS?

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Nice debating trick, there. Ask you opponent to answer a question that has no easy, concise answer. To find one that has NEVER had an EO overruled by the SC, you have to go back to Washington and J. Adams, since the concept of Judicial Review hadn't been introduced. Not a very satisfying answer.

How about we just list those that have had FEWER executive orders overruled than Trump?
All of them (perhaps surprisingly, even #45, as well as #1 and #2).

The man orchestrated an armed revolt against the US Senate. Yeah, I know, you lie about it. You say nobody had any weapons (while ignoring the rioters convicted of weapons charges). Then, he pardons all the insurrectionists (many of them violent criminals). He pardons the violent ones because it would be too much trouble to decide which violent criminals needed to be pardoned and which ones didn't.

He also is openly corrupt. Don't want your country to pay a tariff? Pay Trump's tribute and he'll lower it.
Broke a federal law and need a pardon? Pardon's can be had. Pay Trump.
Got some cash that isn't entirely clean? Buy a bunch of TrumpCoin$. Book a stay at a Trump Hotel and never show.
Need some assistance to fight an invading Russian force? Help the US President manufacture some fake evidence against his enemies and it can happen.

Yeah, Trump is going down. As the most corrupt President in the nation. Why he hasn't been impeached? He has been. Twice. Another record he will likely keep forever.

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What does the Constitution actually say about the powers of the President (executive) regarding foreign policy and trade? Did the court actually consider that in full?

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You know that authority to tax (including duties) sits with Congress, right? That's what the constitution says. Congress delegated some of that to the president.

Watermelon Man said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Did him saying these things and taking actions he is legally allowed to take in response to a SCOTUS decision he (along with 1/3 of the court) did not agree with? And that reeks of "dictator" to you?

Again, it's a really weak insult that frankly doesn't make a lot of sense. Seems lazy.

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Whether or not these actions are legal is yet to be seen. Trump has a history of ignoring laws and just breaking them, willy-nilly.

You know that Trump's legal advisors told him the IEEPA tariffs were illegal, but he simply argued with them until he found one that said 'maybe', and ran with it.

Of course, Trump has to destroy the USA in order to protect us from ourselves. We should be thankful.

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Are you in his cabinet or in his legal team? You seem to be very informed about the discussions Trump had internally on this.

And what laws are you thinking he broke williynilly?why have impeachment proceedings not begun?

Also, can you list which POTUSs have never had an executive action considered and overruled by SCOTUS?

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Nice debating trick, there. Ask you opponent to answer a question that has no easy, concise answer. To find one that has NEVER had an EO overruled by the SC, you have to go back to Washington and J. Adams, since the concept of Judicial Review hadn't been introduced. Not a very satisfying answer.

How about we just list those that have had FEWER executive orders overruled than Trump?
All of them (perhaps surprisingly, even #45, as well as #1 and #2).

The man orchestrated an armed revolt against the US Senate. Yeah, I know, you lie about it. You say nobody had any weapons (while ignoring the rioters convicted of weapons charges). Then, he pardons all the insurrectionists (many of them violent criminals). He pardons the violent ones because it would be too much trouble to decide which violent criminals needed to be pardoned and which ones didn't.

He also is openly corrupt. Don't want your country to pay a tariff? Pay Trump's tribute and he'll lower it.
Broke a federal law and need a pardon? Pardon's can be had. Pay Trump.
Got some cash that isn't entirely clean? Buy a bunch of TrumpCoin$. Book a stay at a Trump Hotel and never show.
Need some assistance to fight an invading Russian force? Help the US President manufacture some fake evidence against his enemies and it can happen.

Yeah, Trump is going down. As the most corrupt President in the nation. Why he hasn't been impeached? He has been. Twice. Another record he will likely keep forever.

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You know what else is a ridiculous debate trick? To make a bunch of unprovable statements and then change the subject to… January 6? Huh? And then claim that nothing is valid because an administration is corrupt? There is a world of difference between following the rule of law while being mad and making dumb statements and being corrupt.

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My retirements funds would beg to differ

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"Look at me! I'm gonna have multiple retirements!"

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Reminds me of the saying, "You'll never find a Navy Seal in a bar."
It's not that Navy Seals don't go to bars, I'd imagine some do. It's just that they would never tell you they were a Seal in a bar.

People who claim to be a Navy Seal in a bar are in reality insecure cowards. Same for millionaires on message boards.

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Old McDonald said:

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gotta love that trump's approvals on tariffs and the economy is complete dog****, they're having the opposite effect from intended, and by almost any measure have been an abject failure, yet he remains undeterred to double and even triple down on them into an election where affordability and the economy is the #1 issue.

why stop at 15%? make them 25%, hell why not 100%! we'll bring in quadrillions of dollars!

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Either he's playing 4D chess and is truly 10,000 steps ahead of everyone else like some on this board believe, or he's doing something that no other administration has done because it's simply stupid/misused economic policy.

I guess time will tell. Personally, my money (pun intended) is on the latter.

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considering trump still thinks the tariffed country pays the tax, we can safely rule this out. wild but unsurprising that he doesn't understand his signature economic policy on even the most basic level.

Watermelon Man said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Did him saying these things and taking actions he is legally allowed to take in response to a SCOTUS decision he (along with 1/3 of the court) did not agree with? And that reeks of "dictator" to you?

Again, it's a really weak insult that frankly doesn't make a lot of sense. Seems lazy.

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Whether or not these actions are legal is yet to be seen. Trump has a history of ignoring laws and just breaking them, willy-nilly.

You know that Trump's legal advisors told him the IEEPA tariffs were illegal, but he simply argued with them until he found one that said 'maybe', and ran with it.

Of course, Trump has to destroy the USA in order to protect us from ourselves. We should be thankful.

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Are you in his cabinet or in his legal team? You seem to be very informed about the discussions Trump had internally on this.

And what laws are you thinking he broke williynilly?why have impeachment proceedings not begun?

Also, can you list which POTUSs have never had an executive action considered and overruled by SCOTUS?

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Nice debating trick, there. Ask you opponent to answer a question that has no easy, concise answer. To find one that has NEVER had an EO overruled by the SC, you have to go back to Washington and J. Adams, since the concept of Judicial Review hadn't been introduced. Not a very satisfying answer.

How about we just list those that have had FEWER executive orders overruled than Trump?
All of them (perhaps surprisingly, even #45, as well as #1 and #2).

The man orchestrated an armed revolt against the US Senate. Yeah, I know, you lie about it. You say nobody had any weapons (while ignoring the rioters convicted of weapons charges). Then, he pardons all the insurrectionists (many of them violent criminals). He pardons the violent ones because it would be too much trouble to decide which violent criminals needed to be pardoned and which ones didn't.

He also is openly corrupt. Don't want your country to pay a tariff? Pay Trump's tribute and he'll lower it.
Broke a federal law and need a pardon? Pardon's can be had. Pay Trump.
Got some cash that isn't entirely clean? Buy a bunch of TrumpCoin$. Book a stay at a Trump Hotel and never show.
Need some assistance to fight an invading Russian force? Help the US President manufacture some fake evidence against his enemies and it can happen.

Yeah, Trump is going down. As the most corrupt President in the nation. Why he hasn't been impeached? He has been. Twice. Another record he will likely keep forever.

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This is hilarious. So many outright lies. You make it so obvious that the truth doesn't matter to you, just your communist agenda.

0% of Trump's impeachment resulted in anything. Proof they were merely political.

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Fair enough. Let me know when John Thune threatens her and says she'll pay a price and he goes completely unchecked by ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSBSC, NYT, WaPo, AP, etc. I'm sure Fox will flood the airways with congress critters boliviating that we need to expand the SC and impeach ACB immediately to save the planet.

Nobody says ACB is a threat to democracy. Just that she seems to contradict herself from opinion to opinion from an idealogical standpoint. Which in principle isn't a bad thing even if I personally often disagree with her more liberal interpretations.

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I don't know about you, but I want a justice that doesn't bend to ideology at all. I want one that looks to the constitution and interprets the law without worrying about ideology.

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Did you stop reading when you finished the bold?

Silent For Too Long said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Watermelon Man said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Did him saying these things and taking actions he is legally allowed to take in response to a SCOTUS decision he (along with 1/3 of the court) did not agree with? And that reeks of "dictator" to you?

Again, it's a really weak insult that frankly doesn't make a lot of sense. Seems lazy.

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Whether or not these actions are legal is yet to be seen. Trump has a history of ignoring laws and just breaking them, willy-nilly.

You know that Trump's legal advisors told him the IEEPA tariffs were illegal, but he simply argued with them until he found one that said 'maybe', and ran with it.

Of course, Trump has to destroy the USA in order to protect us from ourselves. We should be thankful.

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Are you in his cabinet or in his legal team? You seem to be very informed about the discussions Trump had internally on this.

And what laws are you thinking he broke williynilly?why have impeachment proceedings not begun?

Also, can you list which POTUSs have never had an executive action considered and overruled by SCOTUS?

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Nice debating trick, there. Ask you opponent to answer a question that has no easy, concise answer. To find one that has NEVER had an EO overruled by the SC, you have to go back to Washington and J. Adams, since the concept of Judicial Review hadn't been introduced. Not a very satisfying answer.

How about we just list those that have had FEWER executive orders overruled than Trump?
All of them (perhaps surprisingly, even #45, as well as #1 and #2).

The man orchestrated an armed revolt against the US Senate. Yeah, I know, you lie about it. You say nobody had any weapons (while ignoring the rioters convicted of weapons charges). Then, he pardons all the insurrectionists (many of them violent criminals). He pardons the violent ones because it would be too much trouble to decide which violent criminals needed to be pardoned and which ones didn't.

He also is openly corrupt. Don't want your country to pay a tariff? Pay Trump's tribute and he'll lower it.
Broke a federal law and need a pardon? Pardon's can be had. Pay Trump.
Got some cash that isn't entirely clean? Buy a bunch of TrumpCoin$. Book a stay at a Trump Hotel and never show.
Need some assistance to fight an invading Russian force? Help the US President manufacture some fake evidence against his enemies and it can happen.

Yeah, Trump is going down. As the most corrupt President in the nation. Why he hasn't been impeached? He has been. Twice. Another record he will likely keep forever.

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This is hilarious. So many outright lies. You make it so obvious that the truth doesn't matter to you, just your communist agenda.

0% of Trump's impeachment resulted in anything. Proof they were merely political.

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Classic. So many outright lies, but instead of pointing them out, you go with "well, you're just a communist."

So you're saying it's not a bad thing to contradict yourself based on ideology? That's what I read.

Are you saying you care about law and the Constitution over ideology? If so, then I misunderstood. I also care about the Constitution over ideology and want justices to do the same.

I'm saying it is not a bad thing go against what would be considered a vote for the person's typical idealogy.

i.e. - to not think "I vote R/D, therefore I must choose what would be considered the R/D side even if I disagree."

Silent For Too Long said:

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Old McDonald said:

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gotta love that trump's approvals on tariffs and the economy is complete dog****, they're having the opposite effect from intended, and by almost any measure have been an abject failure, yet he remains undeterred to double and even triple down on them into an election where affordability and the economy is the #1 issue.

why stop at 15%? make them 25%, hell why not 100%! we'll bring in quadrillions of dollars!

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Under what measure is the economy compleye dog *****

Gas prices have been at 5 year lows. Disposable income has gone up. Real wages have gone up. Unemployment is at 4.3%.

Go ahead. Show your work. Make a fact based case. I'll wait.

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the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced the gross domestic product had grown at just a 1.4% annualized rate in the fourth quarter. That made 2025 the second-worst year for GDP growth since 2016.