Why are the youth like this?

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Keyno said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

I'm going to keep harping on this because people don't understand. The two young generations, Z and alpha are under extreme economic oppression. When young men have no path to raise and provide for a family they become extreme, often violently so.

This is along with the constant vilification they receive (if they are white/male/Christian), as well as the hopeless dating prospects (due to feminism, onlyfans, instagram). Z and Alpha are going to be electing actual fascists when they come of age.

Turn your phone off and go to church.
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BigRobSA said:

backintexas2013 said:

Interesting I found 212 homes in hays county under $230,000. So a couple earning a combined $120,000 could afford those homes.

Yep

What is a "starter home"?

I'm trying to rebuild my life, looking at homes in the $125,000 - $150,000 range. Not the most awesome, but decent enough size for a starting family. And I'm single. A "starter" doesn't need to be an eleventy-threeve square foot mansion.


Prayers brother.
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Pizza said:

LOYAL AG said:

sleepybeagle said:

Severian the Torturer said:

They're embracing a more defiant less constitutional version of conservatism. From Notre Dame Republicans




Because the young kids have been handed a 40 trillion dept from the older generations living high on the hog.
They are watching their America being turned over to foreigners who hate American values.
Biden inflation has made everything so expensive.
Young white men are called toxic.
Housing is expensive and cheap apts. are too unsafe to live there.
Democrats lie, cheat, and steal to make all this happen and Republicans do NOTHING

I could go on...


This is what the middle doesn't want to accept. Men in general and Gen Z men have been **** on for 20 years and they're tired of it. A government that doesn't serve its citizens should be replaced. The boomers have controlled things for decades now and the results are a disaster. The frustration is very real and very much deserved.


I was tired of it a long time ago, but then I realized I could just not care.

If something directly harms or tries to harm my family, I'll kill it. Aside from that, Idc.

The problems in this country are a product of every citizen though, not just 1 generation. I will say that Boomers did cower in the face of DEI, and did allow that movement to spread, that's a fact. I'll say it again though: everyone bears some blame for the direction our country has headed off in, in one way or another.


I get your point and don't disagree entirely but the boomers have fundamentally changed this country because they are the biggest voting block alive and have been since the 70's. They've introduced the phenomenon of career politicians and the abject corruption that defines American politics now has arisen from those people.
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Pizza said:

LOYAL AG said:

sleepybeagle said:

Severian the Torturer said:

They're embracing a more defiant less constitutional version of conservatism. From Notre Dame Republicans




Because the young kids have been handed a 40 trillion dept from the older generations living high on the hog.
They are watching their America being turned over to foreigners who hate American values.
Biden inflation has made everything so expensive.
Young white men are called toxic.
Housing is expensive and cheap apts. are too unsafe to live there.
Democrats lie, cheat, and steal to make all this happen and Republicans do NOTHING

I could go on...


This is what the middle doesn't want to accept. Men in general and Gen Z men have been **** on for 20 years and they're tired of it. A government that doesn't serve its citizens should be replaced. The boomers have controlled things for decades now and the results are a disaster. The frustration is very real and very much deserved.


I was tired of it a long time ago, but then I realized I could just not care.

If something directly harms or tries to harm my family, I'll kill it. Aside from that, Idc.

The problems in this country are a product of every citizen though, not just 1 generation. I will say that Boomers did cower in the face of DEI, and did allow that movement to spread, that's a fact. I'll say it again though: everyone bears some blame for the direction our country has headed off in, in one way or another.

I am going to push back against this hard. The problems our youth face were not voted on by anyone. Nobody voted to open the borders in the 1990s. Nobody voted for H1B. Nobody voted for feminism. Nobody voted for Black Rock buying up all the properties. These were things that our elected officials either wanted to happen or allowed to happen (usually its both because we have a uniparty). So I disagree that every citizen bears blame.
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My .02 cents.

The sample size is not large, about 20 younger adults in my life ranging in age from 25-35; nieces, nephews, my own kids, their closest friends who I know well enough, etc.

If I were to graph/examine their level of success, it comes down to two things; work ethic and involvement in social media. You can likely guess that the better the work ethic, and the less involvement in social media, the better the success. All the young ones in that combination are making $100k+ (up to $425k for a 26 yr old girl). The handful with lots of social media involvement and lesser work ethic are struggling. Sadly my own two kids are included in this group.

Last thought...home purchase. I don't think it is as important to own your own house with the younger generations from my observations with them. Yes, some see it as unreachable. Why? It varies. As others have said, they want a mini mansion, brand new, great quality, etc. That's unreasonable. Or, they don't have the slightest idea how to care for a house so why get involved in that? Maybe they just think paying rent is a way of life? Or they just want to live in a city where single family homes don't exist? Or their job may change, they may change locations, just don't want to be tied down. Owning your own home is not always the best measure of perceived success.

My opinion/bottom line is that the economics of today are not great. I get that. But they are not insurmountable. Most people who have had reasonable success, or great success....it usually is directly proportional to their talent and/or work ethic.
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sleepybeagle said:


Because the young kids have been handed a 40 trillion dept from the older generations living high on the hog.
They are watching their America being turned over to foreigners who hate American values.
Biden inflation has made everything so expensive.
Young white men are called toxic.
Housing is expensive and cheap apts. are too unsafe to live there.
Democrats lie, cheat, and steal to make all this happen and Republicans do NOTHING

I could go on...

Totally understand the pain and agree with the anger over those points. What to do about them is a much deeper conversation, but I get it... and I'm an old fart.
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Pacifico said:

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Less constitutional? Like helicopter rides?

I have three high school kids and all are very conservative. They come home to the dinner table and catch ME up on the latest hard right issues of the day. All their friends are the same way. They aren't buying the degenerate slop served up by the dying "mainstream" media.

I have a son in HS. Whoever came in last in their fantasy football league had to read the Kamala Harris book and write a report on it.

That is cold.
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Yep they want their first home to be granite countertops and stainless steel appliances. They don't want to have to commute either. People want to live high on the hog. Heaven forbid they drive a clunker car. For sure heaven forbid get a side job.
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[You can make your point without the vulgarity -- Staff]
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backintexas2013 said:

Yep they want their first home to be granite countertops and stainless steel appliances. They don't want to have to commute either. People want to live high on the hog. Heaven forbid they drive a clunker car. For sure heaven forbid get a side job.


This gets back to parenting. My kids grew up seeing the grind of entrepreneurship and saw how hard it can be to succeed at a high level. They're both independent at a level they can afford. It's not quite as nice as we have it but I'm 55 and they're 27 and 24. We couldn't be more proud of them and they know it. More importantly I think they're proud of themselves as they should be. Raise them to work hard and appreciate what they earn.

None of that negates the fact that young men in particular are inheriting a pretty rough deal. We're very much entering the "weak men make hard times" phase. I am starting to think Gen Z and Alpha may have enough strong men to get us past it.
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backintexas2013 said:

Yep they want their first home to be granite countertops and stainless steel appliances. They don't want to have to commute either. People want to live high on the hog. Heaven forbid they drive a clunker car. For sure heaven forbid get a side job.

I can't tell if this is satire or not but I'll treat it as serious. The housing market is the worst its ever been. The "used car" market is also terrible. Inflation has collapsed the purchasing power of the dollar. Everything is more expensive than when you bought your stuff. Illegal immigrants and AI and H1B are taking jobs. So, uh, no, you have no idea what your are talking about.
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They were raised by weak parents.
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That's there fault they're losers.
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You can afford a starter home if you don't want to live in the most desirable location. Their problem is they they want to live downtown by the most Instagramable places.
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I'll post an anecdote, my wife is 40, we have two children about be 6 and 4. She quit her corporate job, started her own business and began doing social media influencing. She was waist deep in debt after getting her masters in architecture. Now she makes more money than I do and I make a comfortable amount. She spent a year grinding like a MFer, figuring out which systems worked, working those systems and maybe works 15 hours a week now. Bottom line, she had grit and an I'm gonna figure this out attitude.
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I'm a millennial and I can completely understand why the younger generations feel this way. They were served a **** sandwich from the boomers, gen x(yes them too), and millenials(my stupid generation elected Obama).
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I also understand the sentiment, but let's be honest: very few people are willing to start out the way their parents or grandparents started out today.

My parents started out with one car and no air conditioning. Who would even be willing to do that now?
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AxelFoley85 said:

That's there fault they're losers.


Pretty sure at this point you don't have any idea what we're talking about here. There are very real macro trends at play here and your opinion is at best a micro comment and at worst a useless one. Take a step back, detective, and do some investigating on the macro economy and how that relates to the 20-somethings entering it.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

I also understand the sentiment, but let's be honest: very few people are willing to start out the way their parents or grandparents started out today.

My parents started out with one car and no air conditioning. Who would even be willing to do that now?

This is just blind conjecture. I am not sure how old you are but look into the purchasing power of the dollar when your parents were young adults. Or even you. And compare it to the prices of houses and cars back then and then today.

There seems to be this bizarre inclination to "blame" the Gen Z and Alpha. Like they "just don't want it enough"

I'll say it again. Housing prices are higher than ever. "Used car" prices are extremely high. Purchasing power of the dollar is extremely low. It really is not the same situation that you or your parents grew up in
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I posted 212 homes in hats county for less than $230,000. So two people working in Austin at $60,000 can easily pay that. Guessing there are equal number in places around Houston and Dallas.
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What are the conditions of the homes? There's mile affordability than just purchase price. But you probably know that.
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They look livable. They are basic homes with carpet, linoleum floors, not upscale but livable for a starter home. Tax rate in Hays County isn't too high.
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backintexas2013 said:

I posted 212 homes in hats county for less than $230,000. So two people working in Austin at $60,000 can easily pay that. Guessing there are equal number in places around Houston and Dallas.

Yeah we are not talking about your personal anecdotes here. This is not an ad service. What was the 230K house going for 5 years ago? What were the property taxes?
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I was responding specifically to a post saying a couple couldn't afford a starter home. There are livery of starter homes. They aren't fancy but they are "starter" homes for a reason
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backintexas2013 said:

I was responding specifically to a post saying a couple couldn't afford a starter home. There are livery of starter homes. They aren't fancy but they are "starter" homes for a reason

Post cost 5 years ago
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backintexas2013 said:

They look livable. They are basic homes with carpet, linoleum floors, not upscale but livable for a starter home. Tax rate in Hays County isn't too high.

With all due respect I think you are missing the entire point. It costs you NOTHING to have a little symptathy for the younger generation's economic uphill battle.

In regards to the houses, property taxes are up, utilities are up, interest rates are up, maintenance costs are up. Every single metric you look at cost of home ownership is skyrocketing. And if you refer to the chart I shared earlier you can see that in the age o first time home buyers skyrocketing.

And this is all talking about two incomes, which prohibits family growth.

This is simple math and the math doesnt work. We are going to have millions upon millions of young men unable to economically provide for raising a family. Historically when weve seen that before those people become incredibly extreme politically and often times violent.

Again it costs you nothing to have a little sympathy.


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I have empathy for them. I just believe the narrative that there are no starter homes is wrong. I employee tons of 23-30 year olds. Also they are the first I offer OT too. I see many wanting those hours and working and enjoying life. They aren't rich but they are loving and enjoying it.

Many of the people that complain it's because they have unrealistic expectations. They think college degree means a six figure salary and ability to live high on the hog. It doesn't and never will.

You know what else costs nothing? Hard work, realistic expectations and sacrifices.
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when i graduated a&m in 2007 with a bsme i made $66,750. oil companies were paying in the mid 70s for MEs, higher for cheme and pete. thats $105k today. the dollar has been debased by nearly half in less than twenty years.

median starting salaries for mechanical engineers today is $75k. i don't know other jobs because i only know my field, but that holds true for the companies ive worked for.

the last ten years of inflation have been absolutely brutal, and it has an incredibly disproportionate impact on those starting out versus people like me who have benefitted tremendously from fixed-payment loans over that same period. nevermind interest rates!

"jUsT gEt A sTaRtEr HoMe" misses the point.

and the kids in the OP aren't even talking about this. they're talking about the left using the pretense of rule of law to fundamentally change this country. they ignore the laws they don't like, and expect republicans to follow all the stupid rules to get anything changed. we have a bureaucratic state that comes up with most of our laws, regardless of the legislative process, and an out of control judiciary that rules by feels and not by law. and both are completely politicized, filled with foreigners and activists. nevermind the corruption in voting and immigration enforcement or lack thereof.

following the rule of law as a binding constraint when your opponents do not means you lose, period.
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Except I was responding to a specific post. So maybe you are missing the point
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Yukon Cornelius said:

What are the conditions of the homes? There's mile affordability than just purchase price. But you probably know that.

Again, as someone "in the market", and has been for a while now with stretches of actual homelessness.... most of the ones I'm seeing in the $100k-150k are older homes, by far, but usually somewhat (if not totally) remodeled. Just in less-than-stellar areas. I've joked with friends/coworkers that the areas are such that "I'll have to embrace my Mexican half a lot more...." by living there.

Completely and totally liveable but, as pointed out, a lot of "kids" nowadays won't suck it up and live in that small/old of a house in those areas. And that's not placing blame on them, particularly, because that's on US for making them that way as parents/mentors/society.

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Keyno said:


I'll say it again. Housing prices are higher than ever. "Used car" prices are extremely high. Purchasing power of the dollar is extremely low. It really is not the same situation that you or your parents grew up in


Incomes are also higher than ever. 100K used to be a career milestone. Some kids will make that in year 1 after graduating college and kids in the right trades can make that with overtime right out of high school. My kids will have it much easier than my wife and I did. Life is only harder in the modern era for stupid people
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Yukon Cornelius said:

backintexas2013 said:

They look livable. They are basic homes with carpet, linoleum floors, not upscale but livable for a starter home. Tax rate in Hays County isn't too high.

With all due respect I think you are missing the entire point. It costs you NOTHING to have a little symptathy for the younger generation's economic uphill battle.

In regards to the houses, property taxes are up, utilities are up, interest rates are up, maintenance costs are up. Every single metric you look at cost of home ownership is skyrocketing. And if you refer to the chart I shared earlier you can see that in the age o first time home buyers skyrocketing.

And this is all talking about two incomes, which prohibits family growth.

This is simple math and the math doesnt work. We are going to have millions upon millions of young men unable to economically provide for raising a family. Historically when weve seen that before those people become incredibly extreme politically and often times violent.

Again it costs you nothing to have a little sympathy.




I have empathy for the younger folks. I've got three sons in their mid 30's who are carving out their own lives.

One thing missing in your graph is the median size of homes. You will see that has increased sharply over the past several decades. What you are calling a starter home today is not the same starter home from years ago. Mine at age 34 was 1200SF with two window unit ACs and no garage. Linoleum floor in the kitchen and formica countertops. Cheap carpet in the bedrooms. And a 7.5% mortgage rate.

That's not me saying I don't care. Those are just the facts. Expectations for a starter home have radically changed. That's not your fault, or mine, or anybody's. Just is what it is.

I see my sons and many other young people navigating this challenging environment and doing fine. They are making very adult decisions and on a path to better financial security in their 40's and potentially strong wealth in their 50's. Not really that different than my story. Getting started in life is difficult, and getting the nice things you want takes time for most people. I do agree with another poster's comments that the youngsters today who show a strong work ethic and ability to delay gratification are on a much better path than those who don't.

As for those housing costs, it's going to take a long time for them to normalize back to the mean on an inflation-adjusted basis. The root cause for cost escalation was the Fed pushing interest rates to artificially low levels to stimulate economic activity and juice the stock market. That allowed much bigger and nicer homes to be built, and buyers could still tote the note due to low interest rates. Now that interest rates have normalized, the note on those homes is out of reach for many younger people.

Offsetting this for those who save and invest is the stock market. If young people have been living beneath their means and investing some of their earnings in 401ks, IRA's, HSA's... they are killing it in these markets. Much more so than some of the prior generations who didn't have as much access to those savings vehicles. There are data points in the media that millennials are accumulating wealth at a rate faster than older generations. Somewhat squeezed on cash flow with housing costs, but banking it for the long term in their retirement accounts.
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FIDO*98* said:

Keyno said:


I'll say it again. Housing prices are higher than ever. "Used car" prices are extremely high. Purchasing power of the dollar is extremely low. It really is not the same situation that you or your parents grew up in


Incomes are also higher than ever. 100K used to be a career milestone. Some kids will make that in year 1 after graduating college and kids in the right trades can make that with overtime right out of high school. My kids will have it much easier than my wife and I did. Life is only harder in the modern era for stupid people

Look up purchasing power of the dollar from when you were coming up and compare it to now. Then do the same for housing and cars. I feel like this is turning into "well my family is doing ok, so its ok" while nobody get's whats going on.

Do you know why 100K used to be a milestone? Because back then the dollar was worth way more.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

You can't seriously be this obtuse? You can't afford a starter home on two entry salaries.

The older generations have zero sympathy and empathy. It's really sad.


You can't think this is good and sustainable do you?





I guess I was ahead of my time. I didn't purchase my first house until I was 38 years old, and I'm what is considered "an old" on here. I couldn't afford one, much less my first new vehicle which was purchased when I was 39.
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You make a good point about what all entails a stater home for sure. It also needs to be juxtaposed to cost of homeownership. Insurance, taxes, Maintenance etc.

I think millennials like your sons generally had had opportunities to be financially independent but it took a lot of discipline.

The next two generations zoomers and alpha I'm more concerned for. Generally I don't think they stand a chance long term without the entire system breaking, which they will be the biggest benefactors of the system failing. So I think it's likely as they become older and more politically inclined they will be the most radical politically.
 
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