The dollar was worth more, but people made way less of them. Cars were less expensive, however, far less reliable and would not make it to 250,000 miles which is easily doable for a modern car. As others have pointed out housing costs have increased, but so has the size. You can still find plenty of affordable housing if you are willing to live in 1200 square feet. I'll repeat what I said on my previous comment. Life is only harder in the modern era for stupid people.

Unfortunately, there are far more stupid young people today.

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The dollar was worth more, but people made way less of them. Cars were less expensive, however, far less reliable and would not make it to 250,000 miles which is easily doable for a modern car. As others have pointed out housing costs have increased, but so has the size. You can still find plenty of affordable housing if you are willing to live in 1200 square feet. I'll repeat what I said on my previous comment. Life is only harder in the modern era for stupid people.

Unfortunately, there are far more stupid young people today.

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Yeah you are under selling it the housing thing. A 1200 sq/ft house was 150K 5 years ago (it was 60K 20 years ago). Now its 250K. Why? Infinity immigrants and infinity dollars printed. None of this is the Gen Z or Alpha fault. They just get to live with it.

Zobel said:

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Pompey the Great, 80 BC

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This is awesome and I want it on a T-shirt.

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FIDO*98* said:

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The dollar was worth more, but people made way less of them. Cars were less expensive, however, far less reliable and would not make it to 250,000 miles which is easily doable for a modern car. As others have pointed out housing costs have increased, but so has the size. You can still find plenty of affordable housing if you are willing to live in 1200 square feet. I'll repeat what I said on my previous comment. Life is only harder in the modern era for stupid people.

Unfortunately, there are far more stupid young people today.

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Yeah you are under selling it the housing thing. A 1200 sq/ft house was 150K 5 years ago (it was 60K 20 years ago). Now its 250K. Why? Infinity immigrants and infinity dollars printed. None of this is the Gen Z or Alpha fault. They just get to live with it.

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Weird, I'm looking at houses that size.....not in that price range at all in the areas that they're in.

Now, in other areas? Yeah.

That's the choice they're making....not wanting to live in lesser areas.


***And, no, I'm not saying that government hasn't goat-****ed the economy, because they have. Just that choices are there, if they're willing to settle for things they're not used to (e.g. living amongst HIspanics in poorer areas of town).****

Is this the National Gang centers definition of youths? Just trying to keep things straight

https://nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov/survey-analysis/demographics#:~:text=Age%20of%20Gang%20Members,five%20gang%20members%20are%20adults.

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I'm going to keep harping on this because people don't understand. The two young generations, Z and alpha are under extreme economic oppression. When young men have no path to raise and provide for a family they become extreme, often violently so.

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You make it sound like we live in a destitute African hellhole. There isn't one single American living in economic oppression except in their own minds. Social media has poisoned everyone.

In America there's a job for everyone who wants one.

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Having a job isn't enough. Wages haven't kept up with inflation for over 50 years. And now labor has to compete with AI in addition to unfettered immigration.

https://www.statista.com/chart/17679/real-wages-in-the-united-states/

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They're embracing a more defiant less constitutional version of conservatism. From Notre Dame Republicans

For the last four decades American manufacturing has been systematically dismantled, millions have lost their jobs and livelihoods, critical supply chains have moved to hostile countries, hardware productivity growth has collapsed, and consumption has been increasingly financed…

— Notre Dame College Republicans (@NDRepublicans) February 20, 2026

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Translation: They are embracing the Jacksonian Democrat view of checks and balances on power between the branches of government.

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Sid Farkas said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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I'm going to keep harping on this because people don't understand. The two young generations, Z and alpha are under extreme economic oppression. When young men have no path to raise and provide for a family they become extreme, often violently so.

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You make it sound like we live in a destitute African hellhole. There isn't one single American living in economic oppression except in their own minds. Social media has poisoned everyone.

In America there's a job for everyone who wants one.

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Having a job isn't enough. Wages haven't kept up with inflation for over 50 years. And now labor has to compete with AI in addition to unfettered immigration.

https://www.statista.com/chart/17679/real-wages-in-the-united-states/

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Some people just really do not know whats going on

This thread misses the point, and just proves the mainstream media and establishment has succedded with this right vs left talk. Newsflash: dems AND republicans could give a rats about you. For proof, trump and bush were massive fans of PE (blackrock) buying up our country, as did the dems. Things are more expensive and require 3-4x the work to yield the same results as they did in the 80s

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Keyno said:

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FIDO*98* said:

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The dollar was worth more, but people made way less of them. Cars were less expensive, however, far less reliable and would not make it to 250,000 miles which is easily doable for a modern car. As others have pointed out housing costs have increased, but so has the size. You can still find plenty of affordable housing if you are willing to live in 1200 square feet. I'll repeat what I said on my previous comment. Life is only harder in the modern era for stupid people.

Unfortunately, there are far more stupid young people today.

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Yeah you are under selling it the housing thing. A 1200 sq/ft house was 150K 5 years ago (it was 60K 20 years ago). Now its 250K. Why? Infinity immigrants and infinity dollars printed. None of this is the Gen Z or Alpha fault. They just get to live with it.

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Weird, I'm looking at houses that size.....not in that price range at all in the areas that they're in.

Now, in other areas? Yeah.

That's the choice they're making....not wanting to live in lesser areas.


***And, no, I'm not saying that government hasn't goat-****ed the economy, because they have. Just that choices are there, if they're willing to settle for things they're not used to (e.g. living amongst HIspanics in poorer areas of town).****

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Ohh ok. Gen Z and Alpha need to live in the hood. That's conservative I guess.

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Eventually old conservative boomers will be saying "well its YOUR choice to live in a place with a roof over your head, you should be happy you can afford a spot on the street"

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Keyno said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Keyno said:

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FIDO*98* said:

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The dollar was worth more, but people made way less of them. Cars were less expensive, however, far less reliable and would not make it to 250,000 miles which is easily doable for a modern car. As others have pointed out housing costs have increased, but so has the size. You can still find plenty of affordable housing if you are willing to live in 1200 square feet. I'll repeat what I said on my previous comment. Life is only harder in the modern era for stupid people.

Unfortunately, there are far more stupid young people today.

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Yeah you are under selling it the housing thing. A 1200 sq/ft house was 150K 5 years ago (it was 60K 20 years ago). Now its 250K. Why? Infinity immigrants and infinity dollars printed. None of this is the Gen Z or Alpha fault. They just get to live with it.

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Weird, I'm looking at houses that size.....not in that price range at all in the areas that they're in.

Now, in other areas? Yeah.

That's the choice they're making....not wanting to live in lesser areas.


***And, no, I'm not saying that government hasn't goat-****ed the economy, because they have. Just that choices are there, if they're willing to settle for things they're not used to (e.g. living amongst HIspanics in poorer areas of town).****

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Ohh ok. Gen Z and Alpha need to live in the hood. That's conservative I guess.

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Eventually old conservative boomers will be saying "well its YOUR choice to live in a place with a roof over your head, you should be happy you can afford a spot on the street"

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Pretty much. There is definitely a disconnect. I am not sure how old everyone is but I would bet it skews over 50. It is an entirely different environment now and they never experienced it so they don't understand it. But they love to blame the youngs and I have a problem with that.

Keyno said:

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whytho987654 said:

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Keyno said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Keyno said:

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FIDO*98* said:

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The dollar was worth more, but people made way less of them. Cars were less expensive, however, far less reliable and would not make it to 250,000 miles which is easily doable for a modern car. As others have pointed out housing costs have increased, but so has the size. You can still find plenty of affordable housing if you are willing to live in 1200 square feet. I'll repeat what I said on my previous comment. Life is only harder in the modern era for stupid people.

Unfortunately, there are far more stupid young people today.

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Yeah you are under selling it the housing thing. A 1200 sq/ft house was 150K 5 years ago (it was 60K 20 years ago). Now its 250K. Why? Infinity immigrants and infinity dollars printed. None of this is the Gen Z or Alpha fault. They just get to live with it.

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Weird, I'm looking at houses that size.....not in that price range at all in the areas that they're in.

Now, in other areas? Yeah.

That's the choice they're making....not wanting to live in lesser areas.


***And, no, I'm not saying that government hasn't goat-****ed the economy, because they have. Just that choices are there, if they're willing to settle for things they're not used to (e.g. living amongst HIspanics in poorer areas of town).****

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Ohh ok. Gen Z and Alpha need to live in the hood. That's conservative I guess.

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Eventually old conservative boomers will be saying "well its YOUR choice to live in a place with a roof over your head, you should be happy you can afford a spot on the street"

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Pretty much. There is definitely a disconnect. I am not sure how old everyone is but I would bet it skews over 50. It is an entirely different environment now and they never experienced it so they don't understand it. But they love to blame the youngs and I have a problem with that.

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It definitely does not have many late 20 year olds like me here.... All of my friends in the corp world are having wages stagnate, and none have houses (or can even think of buying one), and most here would call them relatively successful for being in their late to mid 20s

whytho987654 said:

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Keyno said:

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whytho987654 said:

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Keyno said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Keyno said:

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FIDO*98* said:

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The dollar was worth more, but people made way less of them. Cars were less expensive, however, far less reliable and would not make it to 250,000 miles which is easily doable for a modern car. As others have pointed out housing costs have increased, but so has the size. You can still find plenty of affordable housing if you are willing to live in 1200 square feet. I'll repeat what I said on my previous comment. Life is only harder in the modern era for stupid people.

Unfortunately, there are far more stupid young people today.

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Yeah you are under selling it the housing thing. A 1200 sq/ft house was 150K 5 years ago (it was 60K 20 years ago). Now its 250K. Why? Infinity immigrants and infinity dollars printed. None of this is the Gen Z or Alpha fault. They just get to live with it.

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Weird, I'm looking at houses that size.....not in that price range at all in the areas that they're in.

Now, in other areas? Yeah.

That's the choice they're making....not wanting to live in lesser areas.


***And, no, I'm not saying that government hasn't goat-****ed the economy, because they have. Just that choices are there, if they're willing to settle for things they're not used to (e.g. living amongst HIspanics in poorer areas of town).****

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Ohh ok. Gen Z and Alpha need to live in the hood. That's conservative I guess.

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Eventually old conservative boomers will be saying "well its YOUR choice to live in a place with a roof over your head, you should be happy you can afford a spot on the street"

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Pretty much. There is definitely a disconnect. I am not sure how old everyone is but I would bet it skews over 50. It is an entirely different environment now and they never experienced it so they don't understand it. But they love to blame the youngs and I have a problem with that.

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It definitely does not have many late 20 year olds like me here.... All of my friends in the corp world are having wages stagnate, and none have houses (or can even think of buying one), and most here would call them relatively successful for being in their late to mid 20s

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That sucks man. I am sorry some in this thread blame you for not settling to live in the hood

Yukon Cornelius said:

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I'm going to keep harping on this because people don't understand. The two young generations, Z and alpha are under extreme economic oppression. When young men have no path to raise and provide for a family they become extreme, often violently so.

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They are not under the pressure my parents and grandparents lived through during the Great Depression, then immediately followed by WWII. Try at least to have some perspective.

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whytho987654 said:

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Keyno said:

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whytho987654 said:

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Keyno said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Keyno said:

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FIDO*98* said:

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The dollar was worth more, but people made way less of them. Cars were less expensive, however, far less reliable and would not make it to 250,000 miles which is easily doable for a modern car. As others have pointed out housing costs have increased, but so has the size. You can still find plenty of affordable housing if you are willing to live in 1200 square feet. I'll repeat what I said on my previous comment. Life is only harder in the modern era for stupid people.

Unfortunately, there are far more stupid young people today.

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Yeah you are under selling it the housing thing. A 1200 sq/ft house was 150K 5 years ago (it was 60K 20 years ago). Now its 250K. Why? Infinity immigrants and infinity dollars printed. None of this is the Gen Z or Alpha fault. They just get to live with it.

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Weird, I'm looking at houses that size.....not in that price range at all in the areas that they're in.

Now, in other areas? Yeah.

That's the choice they're making....not wanting to live in lesser areas.


***And, no, I'm not saying that government hasn't goat-****ed the economy, because they have. Just that choices are there, if they're willing to settle for things they're not used to (e.g. living amongst HIspanics in poorer areas of town).****

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Ohh ok. Gen Z and Alpha need to live in the hood. That's conservative I guess.

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Eventually old conservative boomers will be saying "well its YOUR choice to live in a place with a roof over your head, you should be happy you can afford a spot on the street"

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Pretty much. There is definitely a disconnect. I am not sure how old everyone is but I would bet it skews over 50. It is an entirely different environment now and they never experienced it so they don't understand it. But they love to blame the youngs and I have a problem with that.

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It definitely does not have many late 20 year olds like me here.... All of my friends in the corp world are having wages stagnate, and none have houses (or can even think of buying one), and most here would call them relatively successful for being in their late to mid 20s

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That sucks man. I am sorry some in this thread blame you for not settling to live in the hood

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Ultimately, I still have hope that those who work hard will be successful, it will just need to be in unconventional ways now compared to what was in the past. For example, I met a young neuroradiologist (a field that many conservative boomers here are cheering to get replaced with AI, which is hilarious, as like 90% of them are white males) who grinds nights and selectively does kyphoplasties in the AM at his own clinic, he claims to make 70k a week as an independent contractor doing this. So in a way, theres more opportunities out there in select fields now, but they will not follow the standard path of showing up, dressing nice, giving a firm handshake, being a nice man, and then staying loyal and putting in work for years- that model is dead.

I guess I dont understand why the fact people suffered during the great depression alleviates the problems of today? Both can be true. Do you not care about your kids or grandkids generational hardships?

Its honestly mind boggling to me so many of yall on here are railing against the youth and turning a blind eye to what they are going through. really sad.

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I guess I dont understand why the fact people suffered during the great depression alleviates the problems of today? Both can be true. Do you not care about your kids or grandkids generational hardships?

Its honestly mind boggling to me so many of yall on here are railing against the youth and turning a blind eye to what they are going through. really sad.

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"My grandparents went through it!", yes, and your (boomer) generation took what they gave you and sold it, which screwed over your future generations. Im sure the cycle will repeat though

I wonder if we'll see folks a start to get married sooner and reverse the trend.

Our first house in 2009 was 165k in the suburbs with good schools. We chose not to live in the trendy area of town as much more affordable. We also bought that house with the comfort of two salaries even though we could have done it with one.

Just curious compared to when my wife and I bought in 2019. How big was the house?

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I wonder if we'll see folks a start to get married sooner and reverse the trend.

Our first house in 2009 was 165k in the suburbs with good schools. We chose not to live in the trendy area of town as much more affordable. We also bought that house with the comfort of two salaries even though we could have done it with one.

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That was honestly the best time to buy. I am glad you got a good first house. It probably appraises for 500K now

Many folks are not lazy but aren't making good decisions early on-it is really hard to get into a house when you have student loans out of college and are paying rather inflated rents. If you get saddled with debt early on you are screwed.

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I wonder if we'll see folks a start to get married sooner and reverse the trend.

Our first house in 2009 was 165k in the suburbs with good schools. We chose not to live in the trendy area of town as much more affordable. We also bought that house with the comfort of two salaries even though we could have done it with one.

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Id say yes, when I was on the dating market 3-4 years ago things felt much more casual. Now when I go on dates women immedialtely start futurecasting. I think the good economic times bring in more of the "I need to find myself/my passions etc", but when toughish times arise (one could argue thats right now, at least for the younger gen) reality and needing someone to go through things with becomes more of a priority

So basically everyone in college now is screwed lol

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So basically everyone in college now is screwed lol

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Nah, if they grind and pick a good field theyll be ok. Doing this will make them an outlier though

While their politicians engage in the same graft and corruption?

Yukon Cornelius said:

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I'm going to keep harping on this because people don't understand. The two young generations, Z and alpha are under extreme economic oppression. When young men have no path to raise and provide for a family they become extreme, often violently so.

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Extreme and violent? Sounds like ANTIFA. Good luck with that.

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Just curious compared to when my wife and I bought in 2019. How big was the house?

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1900 sqft

And it sold recently for ~300k. We've moved a number of times since then due to work via corporate relo.

We've already seen it start. One got blasted today by SS. The kid who murdered Charlie. The other who almost killed Trump and murder the gentlemen in the stands.

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I guess I dont understand why the fact people suffered during the great depression alleviates the problems of today? Both can be true. Do you not care about your kids or grandkids generational hardships?

Its honestly mind boggling to me so many of yall on here are railing against the youth and turning a blind eye to what they are going through. really sad.

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Yes I care about my children, you're making an assumption based on nothing. I understand the stress they are under including the economy, rule of law, censorship, etc. I also teach them perspective regarding trials and tribulations of each generation.
I am tired of the bull**** labeling of generations Boomers, GenZ, GenX, Millennials etc. Everyone I know in my age bracket are moderate to conservative. The generational terms are used to divide people and create uncalled for resentment. It is counterproductive in creation of coalitions. Using terms to divide people is a tactic used by people ascribing to a victimhood philosophy.
Yes, younger generations are under stress economically. Try to build alliances to make changes with like minded people and dispense with the bull**** rhetoric labels.

I agree. I haven't done any of that here. I was trying to point out why what described in the OP is happening. We've seen it historically. Young people without an economic path to raise a family become radicalized and violent. I'm very sympathetic to our country's youth. And if you care about our country's future they should be our priority. But you get alot of the mentality exemplified in this thread either blaming them outright or being dismissive of their plight with tropes like just work harder.

We've collectively have lost our way.

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I wonder if we'll see folks a start to get married sooner and reverse the trend.

Our first house in 2009 was 165k in the suburbs with good schools. We chose not to live in the trendy area of town as much more affordable. We also bought that house with the comfort of two salaries even though we could have done it with one.

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I bought a house for $35,000($308.59/mnth) in Oak Cliff, approximately 1800 sq.ft... Interest was 11%, thank you very much President Carter. It cost ~1.5 Xs my annual income.
I personally rewired most of it, added sheetrock over the peeling wallpaper on shiplap lumber walls/ceilig, replaced most of the old plumbing, removed reglazed all double hung sash windows(27).
I contracted to have the window unit air conditioners &
floor furnace replaced with central heat & air, & contracted to have the detached single car garage replaced.
Sold it for a little over our investment for $66,000. Had enough to put a down payment on a house that was in a middle class neighborhood and moved.