A&M offering free tuition to anyone below $100k

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aggie93
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Expanding the "Aggie Assurance" program up to $100k, this doesn't include room and board.

I'm not a fan of this use of resources and think A&M should focus on lowering costs for all students as we area public school, this is what private schools (esp Ivies) do. Everything is means based. A&M has very little merit aid and tuition may have been "frozen" but it is still higher than other comparable public schools. We are higher than In State costs in places like Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina at their top public schools. Virtually any kid who can get into A&M can go OOS to OU, Arkansas, LSU, either Mississippi school and many others for less than A&M. We have far more money than any of them.

I'm happy for students who can benefit from free tuition but means should not be the test at a public school so heavily. This is a significant reason why A&M is losing so many top students in Texas. I just would like to see A&M emphasize making the costs lower for all students and especially for keeping our best students in Texas to come to our school. If you look in the comparable states of Florida, North Carolina, and Georgia they keep a much higher percentage of their top students than we do in part because they prioritize lowering costs either through less expensive tuition or extensive scholarships or both.

The other unfortunate reality is that when you combine this policy of the Top 8/10% rule with free tuition for anyone below $100k it will increase the number of lower income students that attend through this dual system. Many of those students are also the most likely to flunk out because they are the most likely to be first gen from poor performing high schools and have little to no support system. Thus they are more likely to get in over their heads academically and to have significant cultural shock adjusting to college. Yet it's very hard to turn down free tuition. No doubt many kids who are first gen from poor performing high schools with little to no support system can and do succeed but also many would be better served going to school closer to home at least to start instead of going straight into the gauntlet of A&M Freshman weed out classes.

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Vessel
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This seems racial without explicitly naming races.
Over_ed
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"Many of those students are also the most likely to flunk out because they are the most likely to be first gen from poor performing high schools and have little to no support system. "

2 problems with this:

1) It assumes all majors will let you flunk out. Many will not,
2) The chief reason these students would be more likely to flunk out is because they are not as strong, period.

The 10% rules are equal outcome, not equal opportunity - since they do not depend on equal measurements of success across schools. (SATs).
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I do agree with the sentiment, btw.

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And the 10% rule does tend to conflate race, as many schools are one majority race/culture: black, white, hispanic.
Urban Ag
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LMAO

I'm self employed and my wife is an ISD librarian making about 65k/year.

I have one son at A&M and another starting fall 2027.

I'll just make sure I pay myself less than +/- $30k and get free tuition for the boys. Live off investments.

Sign me up!



for the record I don't like this either but hey if you're offering..............................
BonfireNerd04
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Does that mean that any admission-qualified person can quit their job (thus having no income) and go to college for free?
Captain Pablo
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And who pays for this?

Middle class families paying full tuition? Tuition that will be raised to cover costs?

It's the America way, of course
SociallyConditionedAg
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So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.
Jack Squat 83
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Captain Pablo said:

And who pays for this?

Middle class families paying full tuition? Tuition that will be raised to cover costs?

It's the America way, of course

If someone pays less, the others have to pay more, sorry.
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SociallyConditionedAg said:

So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.


I believe it only covers tuition and required fees, so that's closer to $13,000 per year last I checked

But your point stands.


If you are making $99k, you would have to tell your boss "no" if he wanted to give you a 10% raise.
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BonfireNerd04 said:

Does that mean that any admission-qualified person can quit their job (thus having no income) and go to college for free?


No
Dave Robicheaux
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Who's going to pay for it then?

Whatever happened to scholarships, working, military contracts ?

How about lowering the cost of tuition.

This university has no desire to be great and care about our culture and character to the student body
Ghost91
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Work hard, be disciplined, live within your means, and save so you can have nice things.

Or be lazy and reckless and get just about everything for free.
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I think this was in place for some time it's just recently been expanded to $100k.

Bidenflation.
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caleblyn
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So, who is paying for the "free tuition". Nothing is free, not even at A&M.

I would expect tuition to increase, even though they put a freeze on increases. They will find the money somewhere.
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Vessel said:

This seems racial without explicitly naming races.


All white people make over $100k? Even the trailer park, country, and one-shoe/tooth ones?
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AlexNguyen
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Sigh. I am a wage slave. My son will not qualify because I "make too much".

+1 to what the OP wrote. All I know is that I am middle class and I am tired of funding everything.
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"Need-blind colleges do not consider an applicant's ability to pay when making admission decisions, ensuring that financial need does not disadvantage applicants. Many top-tier, private institutions like Harvard, Yale, MIT, and Amherst are need-blind, along with several public universities like UNC Chapel Hill, which meet 100% of demonstrated need.

Top Need-Blind Colleges (Domestic Students)
These institutions often meet 100% of demonstrated financial need without loans:
Ivy League: Harvard University, Yale University, Princeton University, Dartmouth College, Brown University, Columbia
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I get the issues some have with this but I'm glad to see colleges actually remembering that they are created to educate kids. Too often I see them spending money on frivolous, boutique programs that raise their statue and benefit few.
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caleblyn said:

So, who is paying for the "free tuition". Nothing is free, not even at A&M.

I would expect tuition to increase, even though they put a freeze on increases. They will find the money somewhere.


Room and board is going up 5% next semester and another 5 or 6% the following semester.

I received the notice for my daughter.

She's in FHK, which are not the most desirable, but she's already lined up to live in a house with friends. It will be much cheaper than A&M's room and board. No brainer.
The Chicken Ranch
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I agree with OP. Don't charge tuition for anyone that is from Texas that can get in. It's not as if A&M's endowment can't support this.
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That's great but of course the middle class gets screwed again. Two income families all most all go over this threshold and a great majority of single income families make over $100k
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SociallyConditionedAg said:

So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.

Yes. It also encourages parents to divorce, to hide real income etc. Whenever the government makes something 'free' my bs radar goes off.
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"If it's free , there is something wrong with it".
OnlyForNow
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Does this allow for kids who are emancipated from their parents to go to school for free?

Lots of high school graduates have zero support from their family, I've always seen the financial support system treat them as full members of their family and family's associated money/wealth even if they have no access to it.
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nortex97 said:

SociallyConditionedAg said:

So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.

Yes. It also encourages parents to divorce, to hide real income etc. Whenever the government makes something 'free' my bs radar goes off.


Childs play. I've seen families not get married having multiple kids. One stays at home and claims welfare/food stamps/school vouchers while the other makes $200k. Tons of loopholes.
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As the old saying about healthcare went, "If you think it's expensive now, just wait until it's free."
No Spin Ag
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PDEMDHC said:

nortex97 said:

SociallyConditionedAg said:

So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.

Yes. It also encourages parents to divorce, to hide real income etc. Whenever the government makes something 'free' my bs radar goes off.


Childs play. I've seen families not get married having multiple kids. One stays at home and claims welfare/food stamps/school vouchers while the other makes $200k. Tons of loopholes.


This.

When I was a kid in school a relative who worked in the schools district told my parents how to do the paperwork so my sister and I could get free lunch. That everyone (middle class salaries) were doing it.

He was making oil field money. He declined and we took lunch to school every. Obviously the middle class has no problem getting around a system like the poors, it's just for different reasons.
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TheCurl84
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When I entered A&M, tuition was $4 per semester hour.
AustinAg2K
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There's no reason any Texas resident should pay any tuition for A&M or Texas. They also shouldn't receive any taxes. Both school systems have more than enough money in their endowments to fully cover tuition for all their students.
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The Chicken Ranch said:

I agree with OP. Don't charge tuition for anyone that is from Texas that can get in. It's not as if A&M's endowment can't support this.


They already charge an ungodly amount for out of state. My son very much wants to go to A&M, but out of state is rediculous. He can go to LA Tech, a fantastic engineering program, and get his undergrad and a masters in 4 years (lots of credits from HS years), or spend 5 years at A&M. LA Tech will be about $60k for all 4 years, including housing. A&M will be about $300k (no housing).

As someone stated, being in the middle class is tiring.
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BonfireNerd04 said:

Does that mean that any admission-qualified person can quit their job (thus having no income) and go to college for free?


It should mean any adult student making under 100K. But, the system automatically ties that adult's parents' income into the mix.

We help our kids (one of whom is a current Zip) financially, but we teach them that the university is a place that offer adults education. We don't owe them that and if they want it, they need to invest in it.
It only makes sense that the adult enrolling is the income that matters.
Yet our society likes to treat adults in their 20s like children still.

Of course tuition is only a portion of the cost. There is house and nutrition. The university should consider that to be where family may assist.
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Looks like they owe me a refund on some student loans.
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It is the fees and dorms that kill the budget. But every bit helps.
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Vessel said:

This seems racial without explicitly naming races.


Yep. Easy end around to moves against DEI and racial quotas.
shiftyandquick
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some of you are not happy that because this helps out poorer families, that racial-minority families might be helped out in greater proportion than white families?
 
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