More proof positive that A&M has way more money than necessary and doesn't need a nickel from me when they come begging.

shiftyandquick said:

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some of you are not happy that because this helps out poorer families, that racial-minority families might be helped out in greater proportion than white families?

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"Disparate impact is bad when it hurts minorities and it's good when it helps minorities and hurts white people."

Vessel said:

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This seems racial without explicitly naming races.

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"I'm just like you, I'm poor and need free stuff" - Gavin Newsome

Urban Ag said:

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LMAO

I'm self employed and my wife is an ISD librarian making about 65k/year.

I have one son at A&M and another starting fall 2027.

I'll just make sure I pay myself less than +/- $30k and get free tuition for the boys. Live off investments.

Sign me up!



for the record I don't like this either but hey if you're offering..............................

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The company that you own is a C Corp? Why would you go that route?

People who get things for free tend to expect things for free and are the first to cause problems because they don't appreciate what they were given.

Reading up on this more, the $100k is for income and assets.

So living off your investment income isn't going to work

We will eventually end up with below average intellect students attending college and getting worthless degrees and the smart folks doing blue collar work.

BMX Bandit said:

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Reading up on this more, the $100k is for income and assets.

So living off your investment income isn't going to work

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Do the assets count your home?

Doubt it. It's all tied to FAFSA

OnlyForNow said:

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Does this allow for kids who are emancipated from their parents to go to school for free?

Lots of high school graduates have zero support from their family, I've always seen the financial support system treat them as full members of their family and family's associated money/wealth even if they have no access to it.

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No. For FASFA the only question is whether or not your parents can legally claim you as a dependent. No exceptions.

You can claim your emancepated child as a dependent for taxes. So, emancipation changes nothing.

However, if you get married while in college, your parents can not claim you as a dependent. That would be the way to game this system, just marry your brother like the Dems do when they commit fraud.

shiftyandquick said:

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some of you are not happy that because this helps out poorer families, that racial-minority families might be helped out in greater proportion than white families?

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you know where you are right?

Muy said:

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People who get things for free tend to expect things for free and are the first to cause problems because they don't appreciate what they were given.

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Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I know a number of people who grew up on government assistance as children and now own their own businesses. These people understand that they don't want to be poor and found a way to change the family tree. Of course, that is anecdotal, and you did say they tend to but there are times when it works.

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nortex97 said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.

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Yes. It also encourages parents to divorce, to hide real income etc. Whenever the government makes something 'free' my bs radar goes off.

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Childs play. I've seen families not get married having multiple kids. One stays at home and claims welfare/food stamps/school vouchers while the other makes $200k. Tons of loopholes.

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Just kind of Aggies you want that dont lie , cheat or steal!

I think every mandate ought to be shared by tu.

nortex97 said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.

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Yes. It also encourages parents to divorce, to hide real income etc. Whenever the government makes something 'free' my bs radar goes off.

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It's based on a FAFSA, it would count incomes of both parents regardless of marital status.

Damn, I guess I will drop the bomb on my wife that we are getting a divorce. Stinks, because I am kind of fond of the old gal, but free tuition is free tuition! I wonder if that would work?

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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Seems that just lowering the cost of attending Texas A&M for everyone is a better way to solve whatever problem this is attempting to solve.

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Would be wonderful if standards of getting in, are raised, courses become more rigorous, and useless degree plans are eliminated!

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Muy said:

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People who get things for free tend to expect things for free and are the first to cause problems because they don't appreciate what they were given.

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Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I know a number of people who grew up on government assistance as children and now own their own businesses. These people understand that they don't want to be poor and found a way to change the family tree. Of course, that is anecdotal, and you did say they tend to but there are times when it works.

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I agree, the numbers skew to the negative side because of all the government freebie takers. I have a friend whose mom was the headmaster at a nice Jewish private school, and the worst families she dealt with were the ones getting free tuition. So I'm not saying it's a black thing.

Vessel said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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some of you are not happy that because this helps out poorer families, that racial-minority families might be helped out in greater proportion than white families?

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"Disparate impact is bad when it hurts minorities and it's good when it helps minorities and hurts white people."

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But if white people make less than 100k, they too would get in for free, just like the minorities.

No Spin Ag said:

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Vessel said:

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shiftyandquick said:

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some of you are not happy that because this helps out poorer families, that racial-minority families might be helped out in greater proportion than white families?

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"Disparate impact is bad when it hurts minorities and it's good when it helps minorities and hurts white people."

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But if white people make less than 100k, they too would get in for free, just like the minorities.

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It's about proportionality.

Captain Pablo said:

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And who pays for this?

Middle class families paying full tuition? Tuition that will be raised to cover costs?

It's the America way, of course

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It's the liberal way.

techno-ag said:

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I think this was in place for some time it's just recently been expanded to $100k.

Bidenflation.

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Correct, it's just making a bad policy worse. It's literally copying what elite private schools with large endowments are doing instead of what comparable large public schools to us are doing.

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nortex97 said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.

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Yes. It also encourages parents to divorce, to hide real income etc. Whenever the government makes something 'free' my bs radar goes off.

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It's based on a FAFSA, it would count incomes of both parents regardless of marital status.

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Only if they live together.

SociallyConditionedAg said:

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So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.

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Agree. This is a very dumb progressive idea that was not well thought out.

Teslag said:

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nortex97 said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.

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Yes. It also encourages parents to divorce, to hide real income etc. Whenever the government makes something 'free' my bs radar goes off.

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It's based on a FAFSA, it would count incomes of both parents regardless of marital status.

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Naive you are, this is so easy to get around

caleblyn said:

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As someone stated, being in the middle class is tiring.

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Not for the elites its not!

In all seriousness, the American dream used to include upward mobility (among other things).

At some point, it was decided by the elites -- who are allowed remain elite as long as they lick the hand of their foreign greedy handlers -- that too much wealth existed in the middle class for our own good.

Many, many ways have been revealed on how the elites set up the middle class to be their paypigs. The goal here is to steal middle class wealth and relegate the middle class to the lower class.

The irony in all of this being that these elites who seek to control the means of everything may actually get the communism they want when they try to take everything away from the middle class: Revolution.

The top level pigs are trying to wring more and more out of Boxer for their own gain.

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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Does that mean that any admission-qualified person can quit their job (thus having no income) and go to college for free?

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It should mean any adult student making under 100K. But, the system automatically ties that adult's parents' income into the mix.

We help our kids (one of whom is a current Zip) financially, but we teach them that the university is a place that offer adults education. We don't owe them that and if they want it, they need to invest in it.
It only makes sense that the adult enrolling is the income that matters.
Yet our society likes to treat adults in their 20s like children still.

Of course tuition is only a portion of the cost. There is house and nutrition. The university should consider that to be where family may assist.

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And parents like you treat this like the 90s where rent and food were negligible costs compared to today. Parents with the means should be paying for university for their children, instead of being selfish.

You are supposed to nurture the next generation by providing a full education, anything less is just you making excuses to keep more money for yourself instead of investing in the future.

Bird Poo said:

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caleblyn said:

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So, who is paying for the "free tuition". Nothing is free, not even at A&M.

I would expect tuition to increase, even though they put a freeze on increases. They will find the money somewhere.

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Room and board is going up 5% next semester and another 5 or 6% the following semester.

I received the notice for my daughter.

She's in FHK, which are not the most desirable, but she's already lined up to live in a house with friends. It will be much cheaper than A&M's room and board. No brainer.

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That's part of the bait and switch. They raise the costs of everything except tuition and they come up with policies like this so they can get the headline while all they are doing is raising costs on the people who pay most of the taxes that already fund the school. That isn't how a public school should work, it's the elite private school model.

Georgia and Florida do this the best, if you are in one of those states and have the grades to get into UF/UGA/GT you are likely getting significant scholarship money in state regardless of income. Thus they end up keeping most of their best students. I know when my son visited GT the guide mentioned how she really wasn't planning on going to GT and had her eye on other high end OOS schools but the Zell Miller made it a no brainer. Those states reward In state smart kids.

Another issue at A&M is we offer In State tuition to anyone OOS who gets $4k in scholarships (mostly Corps or NM) on top of the scholarship. Happy for those kids but it means a lot of OOS kids are paying a lot less than In State structurally. My eldest went to Galveston in the Maritime Academy and we offer In State to any kid from the Gulf Coast and some other states that wants to attend. At the same time we offer zero assistance for In State tuition for Summer Sea Term which is about $17k. Thus if you are In State or OOS for virtually all kids in the Maritime Academy the cost is the same. Compare that to California where by state law NO OOS students can get any school scholarships (ROTC or other outside are exceptions) and every OOS pays $22,500 per year to go to school there. Michigan is similar, UM basically funds In State students with OOS fees similar to California.

Our spending priorities are out of whack.

I'll be suggesting a soft divorce tonight.

Waiting for a story of an Aggie with a salary of $99k asking his/her boss not to get a raise this year.

Well, it covers assets too. Going to get sunk by those 529 balances. Guess I won't get divorced.

BMX Bandit said:

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Reading up on this more, the $100k is for income and assets.

So living off your investment income isn't going to work

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There are countless books and podcasts that explain how to manipulate the FAFSA. If you are a regular W2 Employee you are kind of screwed but if not there are a lot of ways to get creative to lower your "income". It rewards those who play the game the best in the end.

nortex97 said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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So, if you make $99,000, your tuition is $0. If you're at $101,000, it's $35k per year. I completely agree with OP, just lower it for everyone.

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Yes. It also encourages parents to divorce, to hide real income etc. Whenever the government makes something 'free' my bs radar goes off.

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had a former operations manager that was divorced ( legimately) and his former wife was living off child support. The daughter got free tuition at A&M while the Dad was making in excess of $250k by using Moms "income" as her financial situation. And the $250k was 14 years ago .