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If it hasn't moved since Midnight Hammer then what was the imminent threat? It's a rhetorical question.

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No matter how many times you try to force "imminent threat", that was never part of the initial discussion. It was always opportunity and capacity of Iran to stave off our ability to remove any imminent threat if they continued down their stated path. As much as you really, really want to produce some sort of misleading into war or lies or failure, you have nothing to go on here, as per usual, without reframing the entire circumstances to begin with.

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"A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people."

-Donald J. Trump; remarks of 2/28/26

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-full-statement-on-us-iran-attack-major-combat-operations/

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From dust that we now no longer care about because it's been safely buried since Midnight Hammer.

The messaging on this war by Trump has never made sense. And each time he moves the goal post he has his goal tenders defending the move to no end.

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Was never about Iran if Iran was that big of a threat Israel would have committed to stopping them first with everything and not attacked Lebanon in the middle of the Iran war. We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

When you believe everyone wants to send you to the gas chambers you will do anything to anybody. Could be getting Trump to attack Iran or letting your spy sexually assault 13 year old girls it's all for the greater good of the movement.

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Just so we're clear - in your warped anti-Israel conspiracy view the conversation was something like this:

Bibi - hey man, we really want to murder some innocent Lebanese people and in no way are defending ourselves from being constantly attacked from all directions, would yall mind dropping bombs on iran for a couple weeks so the world can focus on that?

Trump - seems like a lot to ask but I guess since Israel controls me with…some kind of blackmail, I'll definitely do whatever you say.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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If it hasn't moved since Midnight Hammer then what was the imminent threat? It's a rhetorical question.

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No matter how many times you try to force "imminent threat", that was never part of the initial discussion. It was always opportunity and capacity of Iran to stave off our ability to remove any imminent threat if they continued down their stated path. As much as you really, really want to produce some sort of misleading into war or lies or failure, you have nothing to go on here, as per usual, without reframing the entire circumstances to begin with.

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"A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people."

-Donald J. Trump; remarks of 2/28/26

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-full-statement-on-us-iran-attack-major-combat-operations/

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From dust that we now no longer care about because it's been safely buried since Midnight Hammer.

The messaging on this war by Trump has never made sense. And each time he moves the goal post he has his goal tenders defending the move to no end.

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Was never about Iran if Iran was that big of a threat Israel would have committed to stopping them first with everything and not attacked Lebanon in the middle of the Iran war. We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

When you believe everyone wants to send you to the gas chambers you will do anything to anybody. Could be getting Trump to attack Iran or letting your spy sexually assault 13 year old girls it's all for the greater good of the movement.

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Just so we're clear - in your warped anti-Israel conspiracy view the conversation was something like this:

Bibi - hey man, we really want to murder some innocent Lebanese people and in no way are defending ourselves from being constantly attacked from all directions, would yall mind dropping bombs on iran for a couple weeks so the world can focus on that?

Trump - seems like a lot to ask but I guess since Israel controls me with…some kind of blackmail, I'll definitely do whatever you say.

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This is a chance for Lebanon to get rid of the cancer known as Palestinians, just like Jordan did. They are reason Lebanon is the way it is anyway, they ruined it after Jordan ejected them in a civil war.

BTW, we have an separate peace deal signed on Friday, led by Rubio, much to the chagrin of the Hezbollah apologists and sympathizers on this thread:

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/u-s-lebanon-israel-framework-marco-rubio-hezbollah-aa380594

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The U.S.-Israel-Lebanon Trilateral Framework signed Friday focuses on the only real way for Beirut to regain its sovereignty: disarming Hezbollah, Tehran's Lebanese Shiite proxy.

The framework begins as follows: "Israel and Lebanon affirm the right of each state to exist in peace, and their mutual desire to live in security as neighboring sovereign states." This should be boilerplate, but it's a rare Lebanese recognition of Israeli sovereignty. As recently as 2022, a Biden Administration-mediated maritime deal had to be split into two separate documents to let Lebanon pretend it wasn't reaching an agreement with Israel.

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So, Lebanon does want Israel there until Hez can be purged because they can't do it themselves.

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The framework also recognizes the legitimacy of the Israel Defense Forces presence in southern Lebanon until Hezbollah is disarmed, at which point Israel will withdraw fully.

"Israel declares that it has no territorial ambitions in Lebanon," the framework states, only a reasonable desire to stop years of rocket fire on its northern towns. That means a buffer zone and defensive strikes until Hezbollah can be disarmed.

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BTW, we have an separate peace deal signed on Friday, led by Rubio, much to the chagrin of the Hezbollah apologists and sympathizers on this thread:

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/u-s-lebanon-israel-framework-marco-rubio-hezbollah-aa380594

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The U.S.-Israel-Lebanon Trilateral Framework signed Friday focuses on the only real way for Beirut to regain its sovereignty: disarming Hezbollah, Tehran's Lebanese Shiite proxy.

The framework begins as follows: "Israel and Lebanon affirm the right of each state to exist in peace, and their mutual desire to live in security as neighboring sovereign states." This should be boilerplate, but it's a rare Lebanese recognition of Israeli sovereignty. As recently as 2022, a Biden Administration-mediated maritime deal had to be split into two separate documents to let Lebanon pretend it wasn't reaching an agreement with Israel.

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So, Lebanon does want Israel there until Hez can be purged because they can't do it themselves.

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The framework also recognizes the legitimacy of the Israel Defense Forces presence in southern Lebanon until Hezbollah is disarmed, at which point Israel will withdraw fully.

"Israel declares that it has no territorial ambitions in Lebanon," the framework states, only a reasonable desire to stop years of rocket fire on its northern towns. That means a buffer zone and defensive strikes until Hezbollah can be disarmed.

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Impossible. I was told by the experts on texags.com that "Lebanon may not like Hezbollah but they hate Israel more. Hezbollah literally holds politically elected positions in the Lebanese government. Both the Lebanese government AND Hezbollah, want Israel out of their territory."

I count at least 3 Israel conspiracy theories posted here within the last couple of weeks that this blows up. I predict 0 crows eaten and 0 minds changed.

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BTW, we have an separate peace deal signed on Friday, led by Rubio, much to the chagrin of the Hezbollah apologists and sympathizers on this thread:

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/u-s-lebanon-israel-framework-marco-rubio-hezbollah-aa380594

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The U.S.-Israel-Lebanon Trilateral Framework signed Friday focuses on the only real way for Beirut to regain its sovereignty: disarming Hezbollah, Tehran's Lebanese Shiite proxy.

The framework begins as follows: "Israel and Lebanon affirm the right of each state to exist in peace, and their mutual desire to live in security as neighboring sovereign states." This should be boilerplate, but it's a rare Lebanese recognition of Israeli sovereignty. As recently as 2022, a Biden Administration-mediated maritime deal had to be split into two separate documents to let Lebanon pretend it wasn't reaching an agreement with Israel.

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So, Lebanon does want Israel there until Hez can be purged because they can't do it themselves.

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The framework also recognizes the legitimacy of the Israel Defense Forces presence in southern Lebanon until Hezbollah is disarmed, at which point Israel will withdraw fully.

"Israel declares that it has no territorial ambitions in Lebanon," the framework states, only a reasonable desire to stop years of rocket fire on its northern towns. That means a buffer zone and defensive strikes until Hezbollah can be disarmed.

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Impossible. I was told by the experts on texags.com that "Lebanon may not like Hezbollah but they hate Israel more. Hezbollah literally holds politically elected positions in the Lebanese government. Both the Lebanese government AND Hezbollah, want Israel out of their territory."

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Yes, I recall that. My how the turn tables.

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We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

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smh ... just wow.

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I count at least 3 Israel conspiracy theories posted here within the last couple of weeks that this blows up. I predict 0 crows eaten and 0 minds changed.

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Is that over or under the number of posters who made the claim that Trump didn't say there was an imminent threat and then when confronted with the actual quote made excuses for why Trump didn't actually mean what he said?

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Phatbob said:

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I count at least 3 Israel conspiracy theories posted here within the last couple of weeks that this blows up. I predict 0 crows eaten and 0 minds changed.

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Is that over or under the number of posters who made the claim that Trump didn't say there was an imminent threat and then when confronted with the actual quote made excuses for why Trump didn't actually mean what he said?

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Let's not dance around what people mean, and that is that they want the nuclear missiles to be claimed as an imminent threat, which it never was. Was the phrase "imminent threat" ever used? Sure, but not the way you and every other detractor claims it was.

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AGHouston11 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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If it hasn't moved since Midnight Hammer then what was the imminent threat? It's a rhetorical question.

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No matter how many times you try to force "imminent threat", that was never part of the initial discussion. It was always opportunity and capacity of Iran to stave off our ability to remove any imminent threat if they continued down their stated path. As much as you really, really want to produce some sort of misleading into war or lies or failure, you have nothing to go on here, as per usual, without reframing the entire circumstances to begin with.

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"A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people."

-Donald J. Trump; remarks of 2/28/26

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-full-statement-on-us-iran-attack-major-combat-operations/

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From dust that we now no longer care about because it's been safely buried since Midnight Hammer.

The messaging on this war by Trump has never made sense. And each time he moves the goal post he has his goal tenders defending the move to no end.

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Was never about Iran if Iran was that big of a threat Israel would have committed to stopping them first with everything and not attacked Lebanon in the middle of the Iran war. We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

When you believe everyone wants to send you to the gas chambers you will do anything to anybody. Could be getting Trump to attack Iran or letting your spy sexually assault 13 year old girls it's all for the greater good of the movement.

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Just so we're clear - in your warped anti-Israel conspiracy view the conversation was something like this:

Bibi - hey man, we really want to murder some innocent Lebanese people and in no way are defending ourselves from being constantly attacked from all directions, would yall mind dropping bombs on iran for a couple weeks so the world can focus on that?

Trump - seems like a lot to ask but I guess since Israel controls me with…some kind of blackmail, I'll definitely do whatever you say.

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Not sure if they advised Trump on the action or not in my warp sense

Bibi-- Now is the time to act Iran will have a nuclear missle within the next month

Howard Lutnick--Donald we must do this.

Trump- Okay

Howard Lutnick--Look at how much we control.. I lied for years that I haven't seen or been around Epstein got caught lying Im still a cabinet sectary I sit courtside at the Knicks game and yesterday next to the head of FIFA. Anybody that questions my power is a anti semitic.

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Lol yes we launched a multi billion dollar bombing campaign (that jeopardized Trump's entire positive economic momentum) because Bibi wanted to bomb Lebanese civilians so he told the secretary of commerce to tell Trump to do it and Trump listened because…he's friends with Lutnick? Please don't tell me you actually believe this is possible.

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We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

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DSA-level dumb.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Ag83 said:

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Phatbob said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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If it hasn't moved since Midnight Hammer then what was the imminent threat? It's a rhetorical question.

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No matter how many times you try to force "imminent threat", that was never part of the initial discussion. It was always opportunity and capacity of Iran to stave off our ability to remove any imminent threat if they continued down their stated path. As much as you really, really want to produce some sort of misleading into war or lies or failure, you have nothing to go on here, as per usual, without reframing the entire circumstances to begin with.

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"A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people."

-Donald J. Trump; remarks of 2/28/26

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-full-statement-on-us-iran-attack-major-combat-operations/

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From dust that we now no longer care about because it's been safely buried since Midnight Hammer.

The messaging on this war by Trump has never made sense. And each time he moves the goal post he has his goal tenders defending the move to no end.

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Was never about Iran if Iran was that big of a threat Israel would have committed to stopping them first with everything and not attacked Lebanon in the middle of the Iran war. We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

When you believe everyone wants to send you to the gas chambers you will do anything to anybody. Could be getting Trump to attack Iran or letting your spy sexually assault 13 year old girls it's all for the greater good of the movement.

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Just so we're clear - in your warped anti-Israel conspiracy view the conversation was something like this:

Bibi - hey man, we really want to murder some innocent Lebanese people and in no way are defending ourselves from being constantly attacked from all directions, would yall mind dropping bombs on iran for a couple weeks so the world can focus on that?

Trump - seems like a lot to ask but I guess since Israel controls me with…some kind of blackmail, I'll definitely do whatever you say.

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Not sure if they advised Trump on the action or not in my warp sense

Bibi-- Now is the time to act Iran will have a nuclear missle within the next month

Howard Lutnick--Donald we must do this.

Trump- Okay

Howard Lutnick--Look at how much we control.. I lied for years that I haven't seen or been around Epstein got caught lying Im still a cabinet sectary I sit courtside at the Knicks game and yesterday next to the head of FIFA. Anybody that questions my power is a anti semitic.

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Lol yes we launched a multi billion dollar bombing campaign (that jeopardized Trump's entire positive economic momentum) because Bibi wanted to bomb Lebanese civilians so he told the secretary of commerce to tell Trump to do it and Trump listened because…he's friends with Lutnick? Please don't tell me you actually believe this is possible.

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We aren't on the same wave length if you think I think Trump did it because Lutnick is Trumps friend. They arent friends they are associates. Lutnick doesnt ask Trump to do something he tells him.

How else can you explain a man lying about being involved with Epstein for 20 years getting caught and still keeping his cabinet position? Those are facts. He lied when accused then when files came out he was caught up in them. Nothing happen to him you realize that right?

So what would it take to make Trump tank his own economy? Maybe the same thing that made him change his mind about the Epstein files. Do you see the link now? You see it right? Im glad you brought up Trump willing to jeopardize the economy because thats exactly what he did had to be a strong reason for him to do it.

For what it's worth Lutnick did preselect Trumps entire staff. He and his team vetted everyone and then made the recommendations to Trump. It may not be quite as you have described but certainly he plays a gate keeping role to some extent.

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We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

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DSA-level dumb.

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Israel gets to respond when they get punched.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Ag83 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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If it hasn't moved since Midnight Hammer then what was the imminent threat? It's a rhetorical question.

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No matter how many times you try to force "imminent threat", that was never part of the initial discussion. It was always opportunity and capacity of Iran to stave off our ability to remove any imminent threat if they continued down their stated path. As much as you really, really want to produce some sort of misleading into war or lies or failure, you have nothing to go on here, as per usual, without reframing the entire circumstances to begin with.

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"A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people."

-Donald J. Trump; remarks of 2/28/26

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-full-statement-on-us-iran-attack-major-combat-operations/

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From dust that we now no longer care about because it's been safely buried since Midnight Hammer.

The messaging on this war by Trump has never made sense. And each time he moves the goal post he has his goal tenders defending the move to no end.

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Was never about Iran if Iran was that big of a threat Israel would have committed to stopping them first with everything and not attacked Lebanon in the middle of the Iran war. We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

When you believe everyone wants to send you to the gas chambers you will do anything to anybody. Could be getting Trump to attack Iran or letting your spy sexually assault 13 year old girls it's all for the greater good of the movement.

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Just so we're clear - in your warped anti-Israel conspiracy view the conversation was something like this:

Bibi - hey man, we really want to murder some innocent Lebanese people and in no way are defending ourselves from being constantly attacked from all directions, would yall mind dropping bombs on iran for a couple weeks so the world can focus on that?

Trump - seems like a lot to ask but I guess since Israel controls me with…some kind of blackmail, I'll definitely do whatever you say.

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Not sure if they advised Trump on the action or not in my warp sense

Bibi-- Now is the time to act Iran will have a nuclear missle within the next month

Howard Lutnick--Donald we must do this.

Trump- Okay

Howard Lutnick--Look at how much we control.. I lied for years that I haven't seen or been around Epstein got caught lying Im still a cabinet sectary I sit courtside at the Knicks game and yesterday next to the head of FIFA. Anybody that questions my power is a anti semitic.

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Lol yes we launched a multi billion dollar bombing campaign (that jeopardized Trump's entire positive economic momentum) because Bibi wanted to bomb Lebanese civilians so he told the secretary of commerce to tell Trump to do it and Trump listened because…he's friends with Lutnick? Please don't tell me you actually believe this is possible.

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We aren't on the same wave length if you think I think Trump did it because Lutnick is Trumps friend. They arent friends they are associates. Lutnick doesnt ask Trump to do something he tells him.

How else can you explain a man lying about being involved with Epstein for 20 years getting caught and still keeping his cabinet position? Those are facts. He lied when accused then when files came out he was caught up in them. Nothing happen to him you realize that right?

So what would it take to make Trump tank his own economy? Maybe the same thing that made him change his mind about the Epstein files. Do you see the link now? You see it right? Im glad you brought up Trump willing to jeopardize the economy because thats exactly what he did had to be a strong reason for him to do it.

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Ok just so we're clear then - in tinfoil hat land, Trump only bombed Iran because Bibi called Lutnik to tell him to. And if we didn't bomb Iran Bibi was going to release lutnik and trumps involvement with the Epstein files. And Bibi wanted us to bomb Iran so that he could bomb Lebanon while the world was distracted (The same Lebanon Israel is now partnering with to eliminate Hezbollah). This is the theory you're going with?

Alternatively - it's exactly what Rubio said. Iran, a terrorist regime responsible for basically all the violence in the Middle East, was approaching a level and quantity of ballistic missile capabilities that would stop our ability to stop them from getting a nuke. We hoped it would also result in non-terrorists taking over the country, but that didn't work.

But nope, it was those pesky Jews.

Haleyscomet50 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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If it hasn't moved since Midnight Hammer then what was the imminent threat? It's a rhetorical question.

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No matter how many times you try to force "imminent threat", that was never part of the initial discussion. It was always opportunity and capacity of Iran to stave off our ability to remove any imminent threat if they continued down their stated path. As much as you really, really want to produce some sort of misleading into war or lies or failure, you have nothing to go on here, as per usual, without reframing the entire circumstances to begin with.

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"A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people."

-Donald J. Trump; remarks of 2/28/26

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-full-statement-on-us-iran-attack-major-combat-operations/

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From dust that we now no longer care about because it's been safely buried since Midnight Hammer.

The messaging on this war by Trump has never made sense. And each time he moves the goal post he has his goal tenders defending the move to no end.

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Was never about Iran if Iran was that big of a threat Israel would have committed to stopping them first with everything and not attacked Lebanon in the middle of the Iran war. We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

When you believe everyone wants to send you to the gas chambers you will do anything to anybody. Could be getting Trump to attack Iran or letting your spy sexually assault 13 year old girls it's all for the greater good of the movement.

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Just so we're clear - in your warped anti-Israel conspiracy view the conversation was something like this:

Bibi - hey man, we really want to murder some innocent Lebanese people and in no way are defending ourselves from being constantly attacked from all directions, would yall mind dropping bombs on iran for a couple weeks so the world can focus on that?

Trump - seems like a lot to ask but I guess since Israel controls me with…some kind of blackmail, I'll definitely do whatever you say.

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Not sure if they advised Trump on the action or not in my warp sense

Bibi-- Now is the time to act Iran will have a nuclear missle within the next month

Howard Lutnick--Donald we must do this.

Trump- Okay

Howard Lutnick--Look at how much we control.. I lied for years that I haven't seen or been around Epstein got caught lying Im still a cabinet sectary I sit courtside at the Knicks game and yesterday next to the head of FIFA. Anybody that questions my power is a anti semitic.

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Lol yes we launched a multi billion dollar bombing campaign (that jeopardized Trump's entire positive economic momentum) because Bibi wanted to bomb Lebanese civilians so he told the secretary of commerce to tell Trump to do it and Trump listened because…he's friends with Lutnick? Please don't tell me you actually believe this is possible.

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We aren't on the same wave length if you think I think Trump did it because Lutnick is Trumps friend. They arent friends they are associates. Lutnick doesnt ask Trump to do something he tells him.

How else can you explain a man lying about being involved with Epstein for 20 years getting caught and still keeping his cabinet position? Those are facts. He lied when accused then when files came out he was caught up in them. Nothing happen to him you realize that right?

So what would it take to make Trump tank his own economy? Maybe the same thing that made him change his mind about the Epstein files. Do you see the link now? You see it right? Im glad you brought up Trump willing to jeopardize the economy because thats exactly what he did had to be a strong reason for him to do it.

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This is insane ranting bordering on Q level kind of stuff.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-901210?

CENTCOM considers relocating US bases from Gulf States to Negev after painful Iran strikes - report

So, are we looking at moving our base because
1) it's safer from the threat of Iranian missiles and drones
2) because the MOU demanded we move our bases from the region
3) Since we're talking about cutting our billions of direct military aid to Israel, and integrating our military with theirs, this would also force us to give them additional protection indirectly due to the need to protect our base.
4) all of the above

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https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-901210?

CENTCOM considers relocating US bases from Gulf States to Negev after painful Iran strikes - report

So, are we looking at moving our base because
1) it's safer from the threat of Iranian missiles and drones
2) because the MOU demanded we move our bases from the region
3) Since we're talking about cutting our billions of direct military aid to Israel, and integrating our military with theirs, this would also force us to give them additional protection indirectly due to the need to protect our base.
4) all of the above

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I lived in Bahrain for 3 years, still have many friends there. The base there is fine. Not sure where this is coming from. The only rocket that go through hit a field in a neighborhood. LOL

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If it hasn't moved since Midnight Hammer then what was the imminent threat? It's a rhetorical question.

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No matter how many times you try to force "imminent threat", that was never part of the initial discussion. It was always opportunity and capacity of Iran to stave off our ability to remove any imminent threat if they continued down their stated path. As much as you really, really want to produce some sort of misleading into war or lies or failure, you have nothing to go on here, as per usual, without reframing the entire circumstances to begin with.

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"A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people."

-Donald J. Trump; remarks of 2/28/26

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-full-statement-on-us-iran-attack-major-combat-operations/

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1. We destroyed thousands of Iran's missiles that were fired on several countries
2. We destroyed almost all of the factories Iran used to build this massive stockpile.

One without TDS would say that was an imminent threat that was eliminated.

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True.

They're trying to conflate that statement - which was about Iran in general - with Iran having a nuclear weapon, which Trump NEVER said they had.

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https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-901210?

CENTCOM considers relocating US bases from Gulf States to Negev after painful Iran strikes - report

So, are we looking at moving our base because
1) it's safer from the threat of Iranian missiles and drones
2) because the MOU demanded we move our bases from the region
3) Since we're talking about cutting our billions of direct military aid to Israel, and integrating our military with theirs, this would also force us to give them additional protection indirectly due to the need to protect our base.
4) all of the above

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I lived in Bahrain for 3 years, still have many friends there. The base there is fine. Not sure where this is coming from. The only rocket that go through hit a field in a neighborhood. LOL

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Uh-huh.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-us-naval-base-bahrain-e87bbca3?eafs_enabled=false

$400M in damage.

is trump a chessmaster again?

While the world was watching bombs fall on Iran,

Trump was attempting the biggest financial heist in 100 years. https://t.co/LBaMivJrza

2 July 2026#Iran #RussiaChina #IStand @ShawnRyan762 @CryptoRichYD @the_irascible @RealAlexJones pic.twitter.com/IBiCOtXKAk

— Steven Eugene Kuhn (@StevenEKuhn) July 2, 2026

Fake news Washington Post reporting US warned Iranian negotiators that Israel was trying to assassinate them and to watch their 6.

Don't believe it, because the better solution was to tell Israel to back off if it was real.

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Fake news Washington Post reporting US warned Iranian negotiators that Israel was trying to assassinate them and to watch their 6.

Don't believe it, because the better solution was to tell Israel to back off if it was real.

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Israel does what Israel wants. If they wanted to assassinate the negotiators, they would just do it and pretend they didn't.

Alternatively, I also believe everything is a psyop. Could certainly be that they're saying this to put indirect pressure on them.

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Fake news Washington Post reporting US warned Iranian negotiators that Israel was trying to assassinate them and to watch their 6.

Don't believe it, because the better solution was to tell Israel to back off if it was real.

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Yeah...

But, this makes the joos look worse...

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If it hasn't moved since Midnight Hammer then what was the imminent threat? It's a rhetorical question.

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No matter how many times you try to force "imminent threat", that was never part of the initial discussion. It was always opportunity and capacity of Iran to stave off our ability to remove any imminent threat if they continued down their stated path. As much as you really, really want to produce some sort of misleading into war or lies or failure, you have nothing to go on here, as per usual, without reframing the entire circumstances to begin with.

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"A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people."

-Donald J. Trump; remarks of 2/28/26

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-full-statement-on-us-iran-attack-major-combat-operations/

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From dust that we now no longer care about because it's been safely buried since Midnight Hammer.

The messaging on this war by Trump has never made sense. And each time he moves the goal post he has his goal tenders defending the move to no end.

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Was never about Iran if Iran was that big of a threat Israel would have committed to stopping them first with everything and not attacked Lebanon in the middle of the Iran war. We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

When you believe everyone wants to send you to the gas chambers you will do anything to anybody. Could be getting Trump to attack Iran or letting your spy sexually assault 13 year old girls it's all for the greater good of the movement.

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Just so we're clear - in your warped anti-Israel conspiracy view the conversation was something like this:

Bibi - hey man, we really want to murder some innocent Lebanese people and in no way are defending ourselves from being constantly attacked from all directions, would yall mind dropping bombs on iran for a couple weeks so the world can focus on that?

Trump - seems like a lot to ask but I guess since Israel controls me with…some kind of blackmail, I'll definitely do whatever you say.

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Not sure if they advised Trump on the action or not in my warp sense

Bibi-- Now is the time to act Iran will have a nuclear missle within the next month

Howard Lutnick--Donald we must do this.

Trump- Okay

Howard Lutnick--Look at how much we control.. I lied for years that I haven't seen or been around Epstein got caught lying Im still a cabinet sectary I sit courtside at the Knicks game and yesterday next to the head of FIFA. Anybody that questions my power is a anti semitic.

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Lol yes we launched a multi billion dollar bombing campaign (that jeopardized Trump's entire positive economic momentum) because Bibi wanted to bomb Lebanese civilians so he told the secretary of commerce to tell Trump to do it and Trump listened because…he's friends with Lutnick? Please don't tell me you actually believe this is possible.

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We aren't on the same wave length if you think I think Trump did it because Lutnick is Trumps friend. They arent friends they are associates. Lutnick doesnt ask Trump to do something he tells him.

How else can you explain a man lying about being involved with Epstein for 20 years getting caught and still keeping his cabinet position? Those are facts. He lied when accused then when files came out he was caught up in them. Nothing happen to him you realize that right?

So what would it take to make Trump tank his own economy? Maybe the same thing that made him change his mind about the Epstein files. Do you see the link now? You see it right? Im glad you brought up Trump willing to jeopardize the economy because thats exactly what he did had to be a strong reason for him to do it.

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Ok just so we're clear then - in tinfoil hat land, Trump only bombed Iran because Bibi called Lutnik to tell him to. And if we didn't bomb Iran Bibi was going to release lutnik and trumps involvement with the Epstein files. And Bibi wanted us to bomb Iran so that he could bomb Lebanon while the world was distracted (The same Lebanon Israel is now partnering with to eliminate Hezbollah). This is the theory you're going with?

Alternatively - it's exactly what Rubio said. Iran, a terrorist regime responsible for basically all the violence in the Middle East, was approaching a level and quantity of ballistic missile capabilities that would stop our ability to stop them from getting a nuke. We hoped it would also result in non-terrorists taking over the country, but that didn't work.

But nope, it was those pesky Jews.

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Close but I don't think Trump is involved with Epstein Biden would have prosecuted him instead of bringing up fake charges were he paid something out of the wrong account. This also doesn't bring up the Addlesons who paid Trump 200 million. Like Trump says that money's not free. Trump also says Addleson cares more about Israel then the United States. I'm not making this up the dots are easy to connect.

I agreed with Rubio and appreciate him telling the truth when he said we attacked because Israel was going to attack and because we were linked with them we would face blowback. It was refreshing to hear someone tell us the truth. Even if this comment gets disregarded and we act like it didn't happen it did. That was Rubios first public comment on the war. Also Trump knew who Rubio worked for he said himself he was a puppet to Israel first. Rubio political daddy's even confirmed to the other Israel first crowd that he had been vetted.

So if it's not the pesky jews then what is it. Someone gives Trump 200 million to loves another country more then ours what are we supposed to think. The man that Trump said Rubio was his puppet said his greatest regret was he didn't serve in the IDF what are we suppose to think. He was jealous of his wife the lady that gave Trump 200 million because she was lucky enough to serve in the IDF. It's strange.

Texaguser17 said:

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For what it's worth Lutnick did preselect Trumps entire staff. He and his team vetted everyone and then made the recommendations to Trump. It may not be quite as you have described but certainly he plays a gate keeping role to some extent.

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Luptnick the poor guy who just happened to live next door to JE.
Just another likely coincidence.

It's crazy how there are so many coincidences when it comes to JE. Like the odds of the former FBI director's daughter getting randomly assigned to Maxwell.

Pretty crazy one of the most notorious pedos in jail placed under suicide watch overseen by Bill Barr and he …… committed suicide. Just a coincidence all the weird electronic glitches at the same time.

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AGHouston11 said:

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If it hasn't moved since Midnight Hammer then what was the imminent threat? It's a rhetorical question.

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No matter how many times you try to force "imminent threat", that was never part of the initial discussion. It was always opportunity and capacity of Iran to stave off our ability to remove any imminent threat if they continued down their stated path. As much as you really, really want to produce some sort of misleading into war or lies or failure, you have nothing to go on here, as per usual, without reframing the entire circumstances to begin with.

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"A short time ago, the United States military began major combat operations in Iran. Our objective is to defend the American people by eliminating imminent threats from the Iranian regime, a vicious group of very hard, terrible people."

-Donald J. Trump; remarks of 2/28/26

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-full-statement-on-us-iran-attack-major-combat-operations/

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From dust that we now no longer care about because it's been safely buried since Midnight Hammer.

The messaging on this war by Trump has never made sense. And each time he moves the goal post he has his goal tenders defending the move to no end.

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Was never about Iran if Iran was that big of a threat Israel would have committed to stopping them first with everything and not attacked Lebanon in the middle of the Iran war. We were a cover a buffer while Israel slaughter innocents in Lebanon.

When you believe everyone wants to send you to the gas chambers you will do anything to anybody. Could be getting Trump to attack Iran or letting your spy sexually assault 13 year old girls it's all for the greater good of the movement.

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Just so we're clear - in your warped anti-Israel conspiracy view the conversation was something like this:

Bibi - hey man, we really want to murder some innocent Lebanese people and in no way are defending ourselves from being constantly attacked from all directions, would yall mind dropping bombs on iran for a couple weeks so the world can focus on that?

Trump - seems like a lot to ask but I guess since Israel controls me with…some kind of blackmail, I'll definitely do whatever you say.

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Not sure if they advised Trump on the action or not in my warp sense

Bibi-- Now is the time to act Iran will have a nuclear missle within the next month

Howard Lutnick--Donald we must do this.

Trump- Okay

Howard Lutnick--Look at how much we control.. I lied for years that I haven't seen or been around Epstein got caught lying Im still a cabinet sectary I sit courtside at the Knicks game and yesterday next to the head of FIFA. Anybody that questions my power is a anti semitic.

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Lol yes we launched a multi billion dollar bombing campaign (that jeopardized Trump's entire positive economic momentum) because Bibi wanted to bomb Lebanese civilians so he told the secretary of commerce to tell Trump to do it and Trump listened because…he's friends with Lutnick? Please don't tell me you actually believe this is possible.

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We aren't on the same wave length if you think I think Trump did it because Lutnick is Trumps friend. They arent friends they are associates. Lutnick doesnt ask Trump to do something he tells him.

How else can you explain a man lying about being involved with Epstein for 20 years getting caught and still keeping his cabinet position? Those are facts. He lied when accused then when files came out he was caught up in them. Nothing happen to him you realize that right?

So what would it take to make Trump tank his own economy? Maybe the same thing that made him change his mind about the Epstein files. Do you see the link now? You see it right? Im glad you brought up Trump willing to jeopardize the economy because thats exactly what he did had to be a strong reason for him to do it.

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Ok just so we're clear then - in tinfoil hat land, Trump only bombed Iran because Bibi called Lutnik to tell him to. And if we didn't bomb Iran Bibi was going to release lutnik and trumps involvement with the Epstein files. And Bibi wanted us to bomb Iran so that he could bomb Lebanon while the world was distracted (The same Lebanon Israel is now partnering with to eliminate Hezbollah). This is the theory you're going with?

Alternatively - it's exactly what Rubio said. Iran, a terrorist regime responsible for basically all the violence in the Middle East, was approaching a level and quantity of ballistic missile capabilities that would stop our ability to stop them from getting a nuke. We hoped it would also result in non-terrorists taking over the country, but that didn't work.

But nope, it was those pesky Jews.

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Close but I don't think Trump is involved with Epstein Biden would have prosecuted him instead of bringing up fake charges were he paid something out of the wrong account. This also doesn't bring up the Addlesons who paid Trump 200 million. Like Trump says that money's not free. Trump also says Addleson cares more about Israel then the United States. I'm not making this up the dots are easy to connect.

I agreed with Rubio and appreciate him telling the truth when he said we attacked because Israel was going to attack and because we were linked with them we would face blowback. It was refreshing to hear someone tell us the truth. Even if this comment gets disregarded and we act like it didn't happen it did. That was Rubios first public comment on the war. Also Trump knew who Rubio worked for he said himself he was a puppet to Israel first. Rubio political daddy's even confirmed to the other Israel first crowd that he had been vetted.

So if it's not the pesky jews then what is it. Someone gives Trump 200 million to loves another country more then ours what are we supposed to think. The man that Trump said Rubio was his puppet said his greatest regret was he didn't serve in the IDF what are we suppose to think. He was jealous of his wife the lady that gave Trump 200 million because she was lucky enough to serve in the IDF. It's strange.

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Ever consider the fact that the US and Israel's interests are both aligned in this situation? A nuclear armed Iran can't happen, so it makes sense for us to take a shot on the opportunity to try to take out their leadership and missile capabilities. If they try and build them up again, we'll bomb them again, and not because Israel or anyone else tells us to. It also happens to be good for Israel (and for the rest of the modern world).

The rest of the conspiracy nonsense you keep talking about is completely inconsequential compared to that.

Never before in modern American history has the relationship between Israel and the US been more questioned and scrutinized. From JFK efforts, to Bill Clinton blackmail, Bush Iraq, and now Trump Iran. The destruction of the water carrying legacy media has allowed it to all be put on display.

Regardless of where you stand on the Iran war, that political fallout is undeniable.

bigtruckguy3500 said:

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https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-901210?

CENTCOM considers relocating US bases from Gulf States to Negev after painful Iran strikes - report

So, are we looking at moving our base because
1) it's safer from the threat of Iranian missiles and drones
2) because the MOU demanded we move our bases from the region
3) Since we're talking about cutting our billions of direct military aid to Israel, and integrating our military with theirs, this would also force us to give them additional protection indirectly due to the need to protect our base.
4) all of the above

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The MOU does not "demand" anything and does not require nor suggest a removal of bases. It simply outlines a request that the US draw back to Feb 27th positions.

The MOU being so incredibly *******ized to fit a narrative is something that people should be ashamed of.

Paul.Allen said:

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Never before in modern American history has the relationship between Israel and the US been more questioned and scrutinized. From JFK efforts, to Bill Clinton blackmail, Bush Iraq, and now Trump Iran. The destruction of the water carrying legacy media has allowed it to all be put on display.

Regardless of where you stand on the Iran war, that political fallout is undeniable.

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People picking up their Palestinian flags to chant river to the see, Israel cannot be is indeed something we have not seen before.

Making claims that Israel indiscriminately kills poor innocent jihadist is a level of propaganda and misinformation that we have not seen in years in this Country.

And the political fall out for those who pick up their cause to eliminate Zionists is something that will hurt a lot of people.

A McCarthy era cleanings of those folks is in order.

You and others are focused on the trees of war time noisy rhetoric on both sides. That will fade.

When the smoke clears, there will be more sober forrest evaluation on the cost benefit analysis of US involvement in Israeli ME affairs.

Ironically, it may be Trump who is ultimately most responsible for a shift away from lock step support of Israel. His words and actions have been shifting away from the Mark Levin doctrine back to his "they dont know wtf they are doing" intuition.

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They're trying to conflate that statement

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Not even sure you're comprehending what you read (presumably), but who is the "they're" you are referring to?

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They're trying to conflate that statement

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Not even sure you're comprehending what you read (presumably), but who is the "they're" you are referring to?

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People who are conflating imminent threat and nuclear weapon.

I'm quite sure it was clear in my statement.

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They're trying to conflate that statement

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Not even sure you're comprehending what you read (presumably), but who is the "they're" you are referring to?

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People who are conflating imminent threat and nuclear weapon.

I'm quite sure it was clear in my statement.

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Honest question - did you even read his statement in the link I provided? Can you not see why people might think he was suggesting the "imminent threat" was nuclear weapons and not (solely) ballistic missiles? Maybe if he had justified it to Congress clearly and on record and gotten their buy-in (per Constitution) we wouldn't have to bounce around like a ping pong ball with what he really meant.