Dungeon Crawler Carl said:

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F16 logic dictates that Putin is pure evil for invading Ukraine. What does that make Trump and Bibi for doing what they are doing in Iran and Lebanon?

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Pure Evil is a blatant hyperbole
What Putin is 100% at fault for invading a peaceful neighbor in his delusional
goal of recreating Russia and its vassal states as an equal to NATO

The mid east there is lots of blame to go around starting with the oil rich nations funding terrorists while not trying to solve the refugee issues

Keyno said:

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2026NCAggies said:

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Keyno said:

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MarvZindler said:

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Trump has proven you can justify a new ME war of choice, if you can simply convince enough people the alternative is inevitable nuclear annihilation. "Can't let evil Muslims get nukes." It's the fail proof fallback arguement that never expires. You can use it even after you declare you "obliterated their nuclear capability."

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It's literally just "Saddam has WMDs" part 2. It was fake then and it's fake now. But people trip over themselves to fall for it again as usual

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So Iran doesn't have 60% enriched uranium?

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Last I heard it was buried. Last I checked 60% also is not weapons grade. Also, there was never any evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Just like no evidence of whatever we claimed Saddam had/was doing. Just another fake casus belli to get us to take out another regional enemy of Greatest Ally.

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There is no war in Ba Sing Se

Phatbob said:

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Keyno said:

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2026NCAggies said:

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Keyno said:

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MarvZindler said:

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Trump has proven you can justify a new ME war of choice, if you can simply convince enough people the alternative is inevitable nuclear annihilation. "Can't let evil Muslims get nukes." It's the fail proof fallback arguement that never expires. You can use it even after you declare you "obliterated their nuclear capability."

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It's literally just "Saddam has WMDs" part 2. It was fake then and it's fake now. But people trip over themselves to fall for it again as usual

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So Iran doesn't have 60% enriched uranium?

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Last I heard it was buried. Last I checked 60% also is not weapons grade. Also, there was never any evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Just like no evidence of whatever we claimed Saddam had/was doing. Just another fake casus belli to get us to take out another regional enemy of Greatest Ally.

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There is no war in Ba Sing Se

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Had to google that one. Haven't seen that movie so I do not get the reference

Strait is open now.

[When you deliberately bypass obscenity filters you can count on a ban every time -- Staff]

President Donald Trump has boosted his support among Republicans by nearly 10 points in a month, according to new polls. https://t.co/Bz0YmJNY5L

— Newsweek (@Newsweek) April 16, 2026

How can this be??? We were told by the Iran fan boys that Trump is only popular on F16!

how can this be?? we were told polls were BS

According to Fox, Iran has completely opened the strait. Trump is still blockading Iran vessels and ports though until a deal is met and signed. Looks like the Blockade worked and or is working

Oil should drop and stocks will go up more.

Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g

— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026

Sq 17 said:

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And US taxpayer money going to Bibi to buy more weapons. The MIC keeps winning

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My tax dollars are better spent on the tools Israel uses to kill terrorists than they are on enriching Somali fraudsters, illegal immigrants, welfare queens, or about a hundred other places they are spent domestically.

Are we sure "opening the Strait" didn't have anything to do with this:

Axios: Trump considering 20B for Iran deal

12D chess? Art of the Deal? F16 has led me to believe sending $$ to Iran is weak and/or dangerous?
At least Obama got the deal AND 4 American prisoners for his $400M....

asmith96 said:

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Are we sure "opening the Strait" didn't have anything to do with this:

Axios: Trump considering 20B for Iran deal

12D chess? Art of the Deal? F16 has led me to believe sending $$ to Iran is weak and/or dangerous?
At least Obama got the deal AND 4 American prisoners for his $400M....

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1) tear up the old deal
2) start a war
3) "negotiate" a worse deal
4) claim victory

art of the deal

Old McDonald said:

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asmith96 said:

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Are we sure "opening the Strait" didn't have anything to do with this:

Axios: Trump considering 20B for Iran deal

12D chess? Art of the Deal? F16 has led me to believe sending $$ to Iran is weak and/or dangerous?
At least Obama got the deal AND 4 American prisoners for his $400M....

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1) tear up the old deal
2) start a war
3) "negotiate" a worse deal
4) claim victory

art of the deal

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From everything I am reading- Iran agreed to open the Strait as a show of good faith on the basis that the Israel/Lebanon ceasefire holds. That apparently lasts 10 days?

I get your point though. Objectively and factual speaking, the Strait was WIDE OPEN for commerce before the US and Israel attacked Iran.

The rumored $20Bn is to purchase Iran's nuclear materials. Would be a good face-saving measure. But we've heard rumors before (previously it was going to be given to Russians).

Keyno said:

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Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g

— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026

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How does this work? Did the supposed mines just vanish? Did their non-existent Navy retreat? I just don't understand how Iran has any control of the strait after we bombed the crap out of them. Yeah, I get they have missiles and drones but it's got to be minimal at this point. If they did launch could we have some defensive systems in place along their coast to keep ships safer? Also, if they do launch it seems that Israel or US can see where they launch from and take the site out quickly.

I'm just trying to keep up.

Keyno said:

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Old McDonald said:

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asmith96 said:

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Are we sure "opening the Strait" didn't have anything to do with this:

Axios: Trump considering 20B for Iran deal

12D chess? Art of the Deal? F16 has led me to believe sending $$ to Iran is weak and/or dangerous?
At least Obama got the deal AND 4 American prisoners for his $400M....

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1) tear up the old deal
2) start a war
3) "negotiate" a worse deal
4) claim victory

art of the deal

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From everything I am reading- Iran agreed to open the Strait as a show of good faith on the basis that the Israel/Lebanon ceasefire holds. That apparently lasts 10 days?

I get your point though. Objectively and factual speaking, the Strait was WIDE OPEN for commerce before the US and Israel attacked Iran.

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If this ends with actual verifiable assurances that Iran will not pursue nuclear weapons then we will have measurably improved our position even beyond where it was with regards to the JCPOA, considering the degree to which we have degraded their conventional offensive capabilities, combined with Israel's decimation of their sponsored terror networks.

GCRanger said:

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Keyno said:

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Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g

— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026

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How does this work? Did the supposed mines just vanish? Did their non-existent Navy retreat? I just don't understand how Iran has any control of the strait after we bombed the crap out of them. Yeah, I get they have missiles and drones but it's got to be minimal at this point. If they did launch could we have some defensive systems in place along their coast to keep ships safer? Also, if they do launch it seems that Israel or US can see where they launch from and take the site out quickly.

I'm just trying to keep up.

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Iran has a massive stockpile of drones and missiles. They can fire them from anywhere. It's not minimal, which is why the Strait has been closed. No, the US cannot escort commerce moving through the Straight. Why? Because they would get hit by Iranian missiles and drones. This is why the Strait has been closed.

Its called war

Old McDonald said:

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asmith96 said:

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Are we sure "opening the Strait" didn't have anything to do with this:

Axios: Trump considering 20B for Iran deal

12D chess? Art of the Deal? F16 has led me to believe sending $$ to Iran is weak and/or dangerous?
At least Obama got the deal AND 4 American prisoners for his $400M....

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1) tear up the old deal
2) start a war
3) "negotiate" a worse deal
4) claim victory

art of the deal

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Giving them any money looks weak and dumb

2026NCAggies said:

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Old McDonald said:

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asmith96 said:

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Are we sure "opening the Strait" didn't have anything to do with this:

Axios: Trump considering 20B for Iran deal

12D chess? Art of the Deal? F16 has led me to believe sending $$ to Iran is weak and/or dangerous?
At least Obama got the deal AND 4 American prisoners for his $400M....

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1) tear up the old deal
2) start a war
3) "negotiate" a worse deal
4) claim victory

art of the deal

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Giving them any money looks weak and dumb

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Dumber than spending 5 times that amount in munitions and other resources to achieve the same amount?

Keyno said:

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GCRanger said:

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Keyno said:

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Iran declares Strait of Hormuz "completely open" for remainder of truce in line with Israel-Lebanon ceasefire. Follow live updates. https://t.co/73zZNbV43n pic.twitter.com/lQneg1dY8g

— CNN (@CNN) April 17, 2026

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How does this work? Did the supposed mines just vanish? Did their non-existent Navy retreat? I just don't understand how Iran has any control of the strait after we bombed the crap out of them. Yeah, I get they have missiles and drones but it's got to be minimal at this point. If they did launch could we have some defensive systems in place along their coast to keep ships safer? Also, if they do launch it seems that Israel or US can see where they launch from and take the site out quickly.

I'm just trying to keep up.

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Iran has a massive stockpile of drones and missiles. They can fire them from anywhere. It's not minimal, which is why the Strait has been closed. No, the US cannot escort commerce moving through the Straight. Why? Because they would get hit by Iranian missiles and drones. This is why the Strait has been closed.

It's called war

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Brilliant! The Hormuz is Schrödinger's Strait: simultaneously open and closed.

aggiedata said:

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Donald Trump: Iran has agreed to stop supporting proxy groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas.

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) April 17, 2026

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A) They are of course, lying

B) For a little while, they really have no choice. They have no money to support them with