Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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Ciboag96 said:

I bet 6 hours after the new Democratic administration is installed, Leftists will fly Antifa over to start protesting for transgender surgeries of Iranian 7 year olds


At least you get it. Human rights these days mean reassignment surgery for children. Soon Iran will have these rights.
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Phatbob said:

I don't think the isolation absolutists understand what the global situation is right now. They will complain about our support for Ukraine, and I have sympathies in that, however, we are seeing the dividends of the Russian weakness worldwide and it is providing massive opportunities to be rid of generational world bad actors with very reduced action on our part. Their quagmire in Ukraine is keeping them as non-factors in Iran, Lebanon, Gaza, Cuba, and Colombia. Because of that, we can be opportunistic and push a western friendly world that has recently been receding.


That and if we have more influence over middle east oil it gives us a counter to china hoarding rare earths.
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GeorgiAg said:

I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)



LOL.

Next you will admit you voted for Obama.

LOL.
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Islam immigration is more damaging than a nuclear Iran. Yet no one is stopping it. If it was any other country than Israel it would be obvious of the over influence. However Israel gets a pass due to boomer Christian theology. It's that simple. It's religious zealous at its finest.
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I have a different perspective of the Saudis because my Dad was an oil exec in the 70s and dealt with them often as well as other ME nations.

OPEC had short term power, won a few battles but lost the overall goals. Saudis understood that and the ties between us are pretty damn strong. Those ties have only gotten stronger under Trump and love him or hate him, much of that is because of Kushner. He's very effective.

And despite later issues, Rex Tillerson as Sec of State during Trump's first term was also strategic. I posited at the time that as former Exxon exec, it wasn't his first sword dance.
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PaulsBunions said:



Look it's the Quisling commiserating with the Marxists.
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bobbranco said:

PaulsBunions said:



Look it's the Quisling commiserating with the Marxists.

"The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States."

Congress was notifiied. This thing may be over before any congressional authorization is required. Massie is a drama queen looking for headlines.
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I'm not going to shed a tear for any damage done to the Iranian government but I don't like this if it leads to boots on the ground or a worse government replacing the current one.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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Queso1 said:

This whole situation is insane. They try to convince us to attack Iran. Why? When anyone says it's due to Israeli influence on our government, they're labeled antisemitic. Netanyahu has been in our White House 7 times in a calendar year. He's addressed our Congress. It's ludicrous.

Iran has been on the verge of nuclear weapon for 30 years. I thought we destroyed their nuclear capabilities in the great strike last year.

They try to sell us that the Iranian people are being oppressed. So? People are oppressed everywhere but we don't involve ourselves. We are told we will bring democracy to the region (we don't even follow western democratic values here anymore). These people can't handle democracy.

There's no plan. Just like in Iraq. What's going to happen when the regime falls? The refugees will go to Europe and here.

And like any criticism of policy on this board one must express their allegiance to Trump lest be called TDS or a leftist.

I'm sick of the wars. I'm sick of the corruption. I voted Trump every time to clean this stuff. But I'm more confident than ever that they're all compromised.

I'm sick of our leaders being elected on a position and then completely deviating. The whole thing makes me sick as ****.


Then go to the doctor.
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Old McDonald said:

cry more libs

Yes. Please.
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They notified the gang of 8 before the attacks
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Ag87H2O said:

bobbranco said:

PaulsBunions said:



Look it's the Quisling commiserating with the Marxists.

"The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States."

This thing may be over before any congressional authorization is required. Massie is a drama queen looking for headlines.

Massie is a fool.
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Phatbob said:

I don't think the isolation absolutists understand what the global situation is right now. They will complain about our support for Ukraine, and I have sympathies in that, however, we are seeing the dividends of the Russian weakness worldwide and it is providing massive opportunities to be rid of generational world bad actors with very reduced action on our part. Their quagmire in Ukraine is keeping them as non-factors in Iran, Lebanon, Gaza, Cuba, and Colombia. Because of that, we can be opportunistic and push a western friendly world that has recently been receding.


Oh, so this time it's (D)different?
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No. I'll just vote for the guy that says no more wars.



Oh wait. I forgot that our leaders are 100% compromised and ignore the votes of the people.
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Old McDonald said:

so tldr:

trump 2024: no new wars
republicans: hell yeah
trump 2025: just gonna bomb Iran's nuke sites real quick
republicans: hell yeah
trump 2026: we're doing a regime change war in iran, some of you may die but that's a risk I'm willing to take
republicans: hell yeah
everyone else: hey we don't want another forever war in the middle east
republicans: cry more libs


So are you crying more?
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I never understood the "stand with Ukraine" crowd being upset if we take out one of the main suppliers of that war.
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Old McDonald said:

so tldr:

trump 2024: no new wars
republicans: hell yeah
trump 2025: just gonna bomb Iran's nuke sites real quick
republicans: hell yeah
trump 2026: we're doing a regime change war in iran, some of you may die but that's a risk I'm willing to take
republicans: hell yeah
everyone else: hey we don't want another forever war in the middle east
republicans: cry more libs

No surprise there.

No research before talking is page one of the ultra lib playbook.
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In November 1979 I dropped out of college and joined the Marines. I worked very hard to ensure that if/when we went into Iran, I'd be a part of it.
I had three friends killed in the Beirut bombing attack in 1983.
Since then, every Iranian proxy in the region has been bombing embassies, killing US troops and destabilizing the region thru nuclear/ICBM blackmail.
Until this past year, every time Israel was going to end this; we stepped in to stop them going back to the Lebanese civil war. Across multiple decades/parties, we have been complicit in getting to this point where a mad-theocracy blackmails the world into compliance
I personally hope we've already introduced regime leadership to the ferryman

God Bless our President and our Armed Forces
“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
Joseph Heller, Catch 22
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FOX News just had someone on who refuted that.

Curious to see what's correct.
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That crowd only does what the TV says. They never cared about Russian incursions until after the Russian hoax. It's only then the discovered Russia on a map. But Iran being a supplier to Russia is one connections too many for them to make
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Sounds like crying to me.

"No more wars" is an impossible position to take or expect. Thats the reality. You dont live there
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Ag87H2O said:

GeorgiAg said:

I feel this is my duty to get the thread going. (I dint give a crap about Iran)



So Trump was wrong in 2013.

He got it right today.

No, he's right both times.

When you hand the keys to Barry, Biden and the Hate-Israel-First Dems you get nothing but confused, drawn-out misery that culminates in embarrassing, deadly withdrawal.

The Trump Doctrine changes everything.
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I'm sure once the people of Iran look at the wonderful countries we built to their East and West they will rise up and demand their own decade long civil war...
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Iran has been in a state of war with America and Israel since 1979. They've simply been unable to effectuate it directly for most of that time.
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BudAg97 said:

Old McDonald said:

so tldr:

trump 2024: no new wars
republicans: hell yeah
trump 2025: just gonna bomb Iran's nuke sites real quick
republicans: hell yeah
trump 2026: we're doing a regime change war in iran, some of you may die but that's a risk I'm willing to take
republicans: hell yeah
everyone else: hey we don't want another forever war in the middle east
republicans: cry more libs


So are you crying more?
yes, i will continue to grieve our country's sons, brothers, and fathers who've given their lives to the endless middle east war machine over the last 40 years, as well as any who do this time. i'll pray you do as well.
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AustinAg2K said:

I'm sure once the people of Iran look at the wonderful countries we built to their East and West they will rise up and demand their own decade long civil war...

Iran is a large, mineral rich country with high-quality human resources.

Comparison to Afghanistan and Syria is a huge swing and miss.
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Really since 1953 when England tried to sieze their oil after ww2.
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Phatbob said:

Old McDonald said:

so tldr:

trump 2024: no new wars
republicans: hell yeah
trump 2025: just gonna bomb Iran's nuke sites real quick
republicans: hell yeah
trump 2026: we're doing a regime change war in iran, some of you may die but that's a risk I'm willing to take
republicans: hell yeah
everyone else: hey we don't want another forever war in the middle east
republicans: cry more libs

This was always a fantasy by some MAGA. Trump was never as dovish as they projected him to be. He is, however, way more hesitant and better at it than his most recent predecessors
a better name for it is a lie
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AgResearch said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Turns out, obama had Iranian homers in his cabinet that dropped pallets of card instead and didn't really get anything in exchange.



John Kerry and Susan Rice need a one way flight to Iran today.

Please always include Valerie Jarrett on that thought. The $150 billion to the regime in Obama's last week in office was just the icing on the cake.

Also, never forget that notorious race-communist bigot Jimmy Carter facilitated the Iranian revolution in favor of the ayatollah vs. the Shah; his surviving cabinet members have never apologized. From a political perspective, we really owe the Iranian people this effort, imho.
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I think many are misremembering what trump said.

He never promised no new wars. He said no endless, stupid wars. So, as weve seen, he doesn't considered short, singular action as "war," nor has anything he's done proven to become endless.

So, it is some fantasy on the maga right, along with normal tds people coming together to hate trumps fp.
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nortex97 said:


Also, never forget that notorious race-communist bigot Jimmy Carter facilitated the Iranian revolution in favor of the ayatollah vs. the Shah; his surviving cabinet members have never apologized. From a political perspective, we really owe the Iranian people this effort, imho.

We surely do. Time to unscrew the mess of our own making. I'm thankful to have a president that has the guts to take it on.
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Great post. So much there people are unaware of
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Lol, re-tweet by comic Dave Smith. Dude must ce close to an aneurism right about now




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Yukon Cornelius said:

Islam immigration is more damaging than a nuclear Iran. Yet no one is stopping it. If it was any other country than Israel it would be obvious of the over influence. However Israel gets a pass due to boomer Christian theology. It's that simple. It's religious zealous at its finest.

Wow this *hit again. Even if true, which it isnt, how does this excuse Iranian actions via Hezbollah and the Houthis terrorizing the entire ME.

This new antisemitic ideology crap is dumbing down lots of people where they cant recognize the obvious. IRAN is and has been a terror state for 50 years and has many sins to answer for.

BTW F* Fuentes and his nazi BS.

Edit You used to be a great poster. Dont buy into that toxic crap
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No new wars...

Actions like this are how you prevent wars.

Unchecked Iranian power would eventually lead to WWIII. North Korea without nukes is nothing. Iran has much bigger ambitions and reach than north Korea; With Nukes they become adversary #2, after the CCP. Except they would be much more unstable than the CCP.
 
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