I am in agreement with part 2, migration in general should be curbed as it is usually just a wage supression tactic.

I disagree with the first segment, it only seems that way because Christians don't have a unified dogma in the way Sharia or Halacha unify Islam and Judaism.

As an example, conservatives are trying to reduce access to birth control, but that's none of your business and is enforced because the fundies agree with it.

Similarly, the ten commandments have no business in school.

If everyone became Catholic or Orthodox overnight, you almost certainly would impose more beliefs that us non-Christians disagree with.

For the record, the "pallets of cash" was $400M of Iranian money frozen, plus $1.3B in interest.

One could rationally presume that the political fallout of $1.3B is likely going to be less than the poltical fallout of 100s of billions, death, destruction, and rebuild.

Well, not having a unified dogma kind of proves my point. I'm not worried about the myth of Christian fundamentalism. There aren't nearly enough hard liners to ever get anything done that would be considered oppressive.

I'm not an advocate of Ten Commandments in classrooms solely because it could lead to equal access to other inferior religions and beliefs. Just leave it all out and remove existing far left wing gay messaging while we are at it.

OK, but my point is this:

Christians are not unified at the moment. Who knows 20 years down the road.

Secondly, you are also assuming all Muslims are uniform. They are not either.

A lot of them are just religious folk who pray to God and don't eat pork and violate their religious law like all other religions.

My point being that a war over ideology is ridiculous when a lot of Muslims who live in the US are just having their kids secularized anyways.

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For the record, the "pallets of cash" was $400M of Iranian money frozen, plus $1.3B in interest.

One could rationally presume that the political fallout of $1.3B is likely going to be less than the poltical fallout of 100s of billions, death, destruction, and rebuild.

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I'm sure you have better sourcing than the Saudi crown prince? The $1.7 billion was just the cash portion of the payments:

The political ramifications of the broader enrichment Obama-Biden facilitated are what we are dealing with today. MBS has been calling this political idiocy out since it was done, and labeled the ayatollah as the Hitler of the middle east. 2018:

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"President Obama believed that if he gave Iran opportunities to open up, it would change," he said. "But with a regime based on this ideology, it will not open up soon. Sixty percent of the Iranian economy is controlled by the Revolutionary Guard. The economic benefits of the Iran nuclear deal are not going to the people.

"They took $150 billion after the deal can you please name one housing project they built with this money? One park? One industrial zone? Can you name for me the highway that they built? I advise them please show us something that you're building a highway with $150 billion. For Saudi Arabia, there is a 0.1 percent chance that this deal would work to change the country. For President Obama it was 50 percent. But even if there's a 50 percent chance that it would work, we can't risk it. The other 50 percent is war. We have to go to a scenario where there is no war."

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Much more destructive than Ben Rhodes/HRC/BHO's 'work' in places like Afghanistan, Libya and Egypt imho. Many of us called this out at the time. But Democrats...

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OK, but my point is this:

Christians are not unified at the moment. Who knows 20 years down the road.

Secondly, you are also assuming all Muslims are uniform. They are not either.

A lot of them are just religious folk who pray to God and don't eat pork and violate their religious law like all other religions.

My point being that a war over ideology is ridiculous when a lot of Muslims who live in the US are just having their kids secularized anyways.

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Christians have been the majority of the greatest country that has ever existed for 250 years now. If we ever had any issue with them going hard core, it would only be in response to Islam trying to kill rest of us.

The risk is simply too high to let Muslims in as far as I'm concerned. See Dearborn. See their protests in any large city. They are here to conquer. They are playing the long game. They directly tell us this anytime they get together in large groups.

Christian's don't do such things.

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OK, but my point is this:

Christians are not unified at the moment. Who knows 20 years down the road.

Secondly, you are also assuming all Muslims are uniform. They are not either.

A lot of them are just religious folk who pray to God and don't eat pork and violate their religious law like all other religions.

My point being that a war over ideology is ridiculous when a lot of Muslims who live in the US are just having their kids secularized anyways.

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Exactly. As the internet and prosperity spreads throughout the world, religion (especially fundamental/radical/true believers) will decrease. Expecting some kind of holy war is insanity.

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Are you suggesting this war is a religious conflict and that we should limit Muslim immigration to the U.S in favor of... Exclusively Christian individuals? Hindu? Judaism? Sikhism?

Is your belief that Islam is incompatible with western culture because they let their faith enter every aspect of their lives?

If so did you take issue with the ten commandments entering school?

I want to know:

What is the desired end state for you?

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You bet nails where I am at. And yes we should deport or ban any Islamic immigration for the reason that it simply is not just a a 'religion'. It is a political religion and that has a well establish history and ideology. You simply cannot be a true Muslim and an American at the same time!

This is a relgion that has clearly stated that it's end goal is dominate all others, this is clear historical fact.

They have no problems killing or taxing others who do not 'submit'. This is different then any other religion. It is a relgion of the sword and by the sword it has spread and maintained.

Just look at the ISLAMIC regime in Iran or in Saudi,

So are you good with what happened in Iran and what is happening in Europe, happening here?

These people are not live and let live type.

They swear and allegiance to follow Jihad and Sharia law which is direct opposition to the the Constitution of the US.

They are just taking advantage of our 'freedom of Religion" rights.

Our founders would have never consider Islam to be a legitimate religion. And many of them state it directly. We have had a little know war with them. "From the shores of Tripoli" because of their continued pirating and enslaving of our ships!

When asked as to why they would do this as we had done nothing to provoke or harm them. Jefferson was simply told their book, gives them the right to do so!

So what's you end game? Just to let them infitrate, take over and rape your daughters, and they will and have.

Isnt entering a war halfway across the world the exact same thing?!

Like what?

We dont do such things so lets deport all Muslims and bomb Iran?

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So what's you end game? Just to let them infitrate, take over and rape your daughters, and they will and have.

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He'd happily watch from his chair in the corner. Also, they're not his daughters.

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Our founders would have never consider Islam to be a legitimate religion. And many of them state it directly. We have had a little know war with them. "From the shores of Tripoli" because of their continued pirating and enslaving of our ships!

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If Iran had decided to shut down Hormuz to US passage before, or after Midnight Hammer, there could be an argument for Epic Fury/war.

However, our founders would be against what is going on now for many reasons. The POTUS bypassing congress and labeling a war an "excursion", and deploying massive amounts of US resources to avenge Israel. They would be dumbfounded.

That's why there has been a shift to a narrative about "radical Muslims trying to kill us all with WMDs". Its the only way such a blatant unjustified war can be justified. Bibi already proved it was fail proof with Iraq.

Props to Israel for such an effective propaganda campaign. Not only have so many Americans bought into it all, they are actively defending it and marginalizing anyone who calls it out. Israel is not to blame. They have every reason to draw the strongest military into their war by any means necessary. Especially after Oct 7.

The longterm fallout on this will be the realization that Israel has too much influence in our foreign policy. Way more than any other ally. So this current expenditure is the "short term pain" for that "long term gain".

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Rookies.

I disagree, they took and held our embassy personal with not real provocation for what 3oo days or something, They blew up a Marine barrick the killed what 243 of soldiers and much more, and why, Because they are Islamic, this what they do and have done through out their history, even to their own!

These are demonic, evil, and just like Hitler -- Remember Iran = Aryan - you cannot negotiate with them. The Neville Chamberlain approach never works. There is only one way with the hardliners.

The Barbary pirates weren't attacking us they just fell they had the right to go and take our ships and sell the passengers into slaver.

Islam is a perverted sex cult of a religion, truly demonic to the core and has been from it's inception.

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Not only have so many Americans bought into it all, they are actively defending it and marginalizing anyone who calls it out.

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Rookies.

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Not only have so many Americans bought into it all, they are actively defending it and marginalizing anyone who calls it out.

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Rookies.

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Rookies giving themselves a blue star.

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OK, but my point is this:

Christians are not unified at the moment. Who knows 20 years down the road.

Secondly, you are also assuming all Muslims are uniform. They are not either.

A lot of them are just religious folk who pray to God and don't eat pork and violate their religious law like all other religions.

My point being that a war over ideology is ridiculous when a lot of Muslims who live in the US are just having their kids secularized anyways.

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do you have any actual factual metrics on how many religious Muslims there are in America now-

and how many secular Muslims are waiting to enter?



"Hijab becomes symbol of resistance in age of Trump"





protest against Trump outside White House

If you read earlier, I am for limiting or stopping immigration.

Bombing muslims is not my idea of good taxpayer stewardship.

I doubt the Founding Fathers would be dumbfounded given our history with Iran. Jefferson started the First Barbary War without input from Congress.

The founding fathers would have been disgusted that Jimmy Carter did nothing to Iran other than a half-assed attempt of a rescue that failed because he let the military fall into disarray.

The fact that we had to wait half a century and waste hundreds of lives of or citizens during that time probably would have been considered treasonous by the founding fathers.

If you follow what Gen Keane was saying this morning, you can start with Carter but then blame every subsequent POTUS for not aggressively putting an end to this action early on.

Reagan could be cut some slack as the Cold War was still simmering (irony is irony), but George H.W. needed to have much more of a ball sack. Could have been his time in WWII and subsequent actions like Korea, Vietnam that made him gun shy to go to the hilt on Iraq then extend that to Iran.

Clinton over 8 years did essentially nothing but embarrass America militarily on the global stage.

Why W did not take more action over his 8 years is worthy of some heavy, heavy scrutiny.

Thank God for Donald John Trump.

It is ashamed that there is so much oil in the Middle East, otherwise we wouldn't give a **** about those people over there.

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It is ashamed that there is so much oil in the Middle East, otherwise we wouldn't give a **** about those people over there.

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It's a shame oil has so little to do with this situation.

To peg it on oil ignores reality. But if it makes you accept the actions as necessary, then believe what you want to.

Thank God for Donald John Trump.

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It is ashamed that there is so much oil in the Middle East, otherwise we wouldn't give a **** about those people over there.

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It's a shame oil has so little to do with this situation.

To peg it on oil ignores reality. But if it makes you accept the actions as necessary, then believe what you want to.

Thank God for Donald John Trump.

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Then why don't we leave? Trump already has declared victory so what is left? Maybe oil flowing (or not) flowing through the strait. Do you think it is worth sending thousands of young Americans into Iran?

Again, largely unreported in our pathetic legacy propaganda press;

🚨 JUST IN: Thousands of Iranians are rallying outside the White House in support of Crown Prince of Iran Reza Pahlavi, waving pre-1979 lion-and-sun flags and chanting "Javid Shah" to demand Reza Pahlavi's role after regime change in Iran. pic.twitter.com/v6DD1pY42x

— WORLD NEWS (@_MAGA_NEWS_) March 29, 2026

In Toronto Canada, there was a rally also with half a million people that supported regime change. FYI, people in Canada are not involved with this issue. The rally was by Iranians living in Canada. Same goes for the people in the video, Iranians in the US.

— john me (@Tintquarantino) March 30, 2026

I've noticed Christiane Amanpour, for instance, has gone mostly silent (she was born/raised by a shia family in Tehran) since this kicked off, despite her regular regime apologia regimen on CNN otherwise.

(CNN is an enemy of the republic and should be treated as such).

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For the record, the "pallets of cash" was $400M of Iranian money frozen, plus $1.3B in interest.

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That money did not belong to this Iranian government. There was a reason it wasn't given to them over several presidents.

Hussein gave it in order to fund a nuclear Iran.

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It is ashamed that there is so much oil in the Middle East, otherwise we wouldn't give a **** about those people over there.

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It's a shame oil has so little to do with this situation.

To peg it on oil ignores reality. But if it makes you accept the actions as necessary, then believe what you want to.

Thank God for Donald John Trump.

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Then why don't we leave? Trump already has declared victory so what is left? Maybe oil flowing (or not) flowing through the strait. Do you think it is worth sending thousands of young Americans into Iran?

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He has not declared victory. You watching Karoline Leavitts presser? She's answering your questions.

Securing the Strait of Trump is an objective so hostilities will not stop until all objectives are achieved.

I really don't know how people simply cannot grasp that.

Boots on the ground is a meaningless discussion. We have likely continually had "boots on the ground" in Iran.

How many troops are too many?

We are not sending 1,000s of troops into Iran… unless it becomes necessary.

Listen to Keane and Leavitt. If you still have questions, come back and maybe we can help you understand it better.

We drove by CPAC protestors in Grapevine on Friday.

Wife started losing her **** at the Iranian flags. Then I pointed out the flag had a big kitty cat and not an Islamic symbol, then pointed to the American and Israeli flags.

They were wrapping up but had a hundred or more there 6:00pm on a Friday.

Believe that may be the same poster that was saying Iran was a mostly peaceful regime and Israel is the bigger aggressor.

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It is ashamed that there is so much oil in the Middle East, otherwise we wouldn't give a **** about those people over there.

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It's a shame oil has so little to do with this situation.

To peg it on oil ignores reality. But if it makes you accept the actions as necessary, then believe what you want to.

Thank God for Donald John Trump.

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Then why don't we leave? Trump already has declared victory so what is left? Maybe oil flowing (or not) flowing through the strait. Do you think it is worth sending thousands of young Americans into Iran?

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He has not declared victory. You watching Karoline Leavitts presser? She's answering your questions.

Securing the Strait of Trump is an objective so hostilities will not stop until all objectives are achieved.

I really don't know how people simply cannot grasp that.

Boots on the ground is a meaningless discussion. We have likely continually had "boots on the ground" in Iran.

How many troops are too many?

We are not sending 1,000s of troops into Iran… unless it becomes necessary.

Listen to Keane and Leavitt. If you still have questions, come back and maybe we can help you understand it better.

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BS on Trump not saying we already won. And tell me the point of opening the Strait if it is not about oil?

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BS on Trump not saying we already won - Have we stopped hostilities? No. Have Iran surrendered? No. Is Trump saying we are up by 100 points with 1 minute left and no timeouts so "we have won"? Yep, typical Trump. Folks look foolish when they try and claim some bizarre falsehood on what Trump said vs what you think he meant and what he actually meant. Since you seem to not understand Trump, he means we are trouncing them and total victory is imminent and regardless we will not stop until it is achieved. Make sense?

For the Strait of Trump, in addition to O&G products, its is a huge transit for fertilizer and general cargo / shipping container transit. It's a key component in China's Belt & Road Initiative linking to rail lines that were recently upgraded and expanded.

Any other things I can help clarify for you?

And thank God for Donald John Trump understanding these things.

You look silly posting those. I know what Trump says. I am sorry it's hard for others to understand.

Did he say we were all wrapped up, planes are coming home, no more bombing?

I assume you have not listened to his longer updates and other updates. It's really not hard to understand what Trump is saying when you choose to move past the TDS snippet gotchya's.

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docb said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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It is ashamed that there is so much oil in the Middle East, otherwise we wouldn't give a **** about those people over there.

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It's a shame oil has so little to do with this situation.

To peg it on oil ignores reality. But if it makes you accept the actions as necessary, then believe what you want to.

Thank God for Donald John Trump.

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Then why don't we leave? Trump already has declared victory so what is left? Maybe oil flowing (or not) flowing through the strait. Do you think it is worth sending thousands of young Americans into Iran?

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He has not declared victory. You watching Karoline Leavitts presser? She's answering your questions.

Securing the Strait of Trump is an objective so hostilities will not stop until all objectives are achieved.

I really don't know how people simply cannot grasp that.

Boots on the ground is a meaningless discussion. We have likely continually had "boots on the ground" in Iran.

How many troops are too many?

We are not sending 1,000s of troops into Iran… unless it becomes necessary.

Listen to Keane and Leavitt. If you still have questions, come back and maybe we can help you understand it better.

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BS on Trump not saying we already won. And tell me the point of opening the Strait if it is not about oil?

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BS on Trump not saying we already won - Have we stopped hostilities? No. Have Iran surrendered? No. Is Trump saying we are up by 100 points with 1 minute left and no timeouts so "we have won"? Yep, typical Trump. Folks look foolish when they try and claim some bizarre falsehood on what Trump said vs what you think he meant and what he actually meant. Since you seem to not understand Trump, he means we are trouncing them and total victory is imminent and regardless we will not stop until it is achieved. Make sense?

For the Strait of Trump, in addition to O&G products, its is a huge transit for fertilizer and general cargo / shipping container transit. It's a key component in China's Belt & Road Initiative linking to rail lines that were recently upgraded and expanded.

Any other things I can help clarify for you?

And thank God for Donald John Trump understanding these things.

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Trust me I do not need help from you to understand anything

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docb said:

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docb said:

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It is ashamed that there is so much oil in the Middle East, otherwise we wouldn't give a **** about those people over there.

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It's a shame oil has so little to do with this situation.

To peg it on oil ignores reality. But if it makes you accept the actions as necessary, then believe what you want to.

Thank God for Donald John Trump.

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Then why don't we leave? Trump already has declared victory so what is left? Maybe oil flowing (or not) flowing through the strait. Do you think it is worth sending thousands of young Americans into Iran?

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He has not declared victory. You watching Karoline Leavitts presser? She's answering your questions.

Securing the Strait of Trump is an objective so hostilities will not stop until all objectives are achieved.

I really don't know how people simply cannot grasp that.

Boots on the ground is a meaningless discussion. We have likely continually had "boots on the ground" in Iran.

How many troops are too many?

We are not sending 1,000s of troops into Iran… unless it becomes necessary.

Listen to Keane and Leavitt. If you still have questions, come back and maybe we can help you understand it better.

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BS on Trump not saying we already won. And tell me the point of opening the Strait if it is not about oil?

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BS on Trump not saying we already won - Have we stopped hostilities? No. Have Iran surrendered? No. Is Trump saying we are up by 100 points with 1 minute left and no timeouts so "we have won"? Yep, typical Trump. Folks look foolish when they try and claim some bizarre falsehood on what Trump said vs what you think he meant and what he actually meant. Since you seem to not understand Trump, he means we are trouncing them and total victory is imminent and regardless we will not stop until it is achieved. Make sense?

For the Strait of Trump, in addition to O&G products, its is a huge transit for fertilizer and general cargo / shipping container transit. It's a key component in China's Belt & Road Initiative linking to rail lines that were recently upgraded and expanded.

Any other things I can help clarify for you?

And thank God for Donald John Trump understanding these things.

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Trust me I do not nee help from you to understand anything

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Seems you do since you grossly misrepresented what Trump was saying. I am not just helping you but others understand Trump speak since after a decade many people have trouble with it.

docb said:

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docb said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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docb said:

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It is ashamed that there is so much oil in the Middle East, otherwise we wouldn't give a **** about those people over there.

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It's a shame oil has so little to do with this situation.

To peg it on oil ignores reality. But if it makes you accept the actions as necessary, then believe what you want to.

Thank God for Donald John Trump.

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Then why don't we leave? Trump already has declared victory so what is left? Maybe oil flowing (or not) flowing through the strait. Do you think it is worth sending thousands of young Americans into Iran?

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He has not declared victory. You watching Karoline Leavitts presser? She's answering your questions.

Securing the Strait of Trump is an objective so hostilities will not stop until all objectives are achieved.

I really don't know how people simply cannot grasp that.

Boots on the ground is a meaningless discussion. We have likely continually had "boots on the ground" in Iran.

How many troops are too many?

We are not sending 1,000s of troops into Iran… unless it becomes necessary.

Listen to Keane and Leavitt. If you still have questions, come back and maybe we can help you understand it better.

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BS on Trump not saying we already won. And tell me the point of opening the Strait if it is not about oil?

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Because Donald John Trump is all-knowing and a super Patriot and God sent him to save us.

Thank Donald John Trump for Donald John Trump!