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Yukon Cornelius said:

I've tried explaining it here before. The young generations are economically locked out of society. They have little hope for buying homes and raising families.

I get it. I understand this. Yep you are being crapped on. But KNOW who F'ed you over. It wasn't boomers, it wasn't Jews. It was the American left. They insisted on mass spending using government to solve every little problem. Many of us voted against this trash and saw it coming. Debt is always the enemy bauses its brother is greed and a "Got to have it now mentality"


We can look at history and see when that happens those generations become radical and violent. We've had one young guy try and kill Trump <leftest>, another killed Charlie <leftest Trans>, another was just killed a week ago by SS. [Uh see a pattern here ?] Youth has nothing to do with it.

Scapegoats must be found. Ok this is weird nobody is scapegoating people because they are young. When I was young we were all pissed off over 12% mortgages and hippies messing everything up. Most young people through out time are pissed about something and yes its often legit

Why are the young people economically locked out? Who is responsible? For some they have concluded foreign wars in the ME inflating the money supply. ****** Debt both personal and societal. ****And as for war, not fighting them can be very expensive too. Just imagine if France had the balls to move on Germany in 1935- How much money would that have saved ?

So they ask who has benefited from wars in the ME if it clearly wasn't the US? And Israel gets the blame. This is TOTAL BS. I like you as a poster but this one is beyond ******ed. You are better. Look at those wars
1949- fight for independence- from more genocide.
1956 is they only one that was expansionist and Briton and France wanted the Suez trade routes
1967- preemptive strike on the soviet backed Arab block.
1973- Isreal ignored they warning as was attacked by 6 nations and still one.
2000's constant terror attacks.

Dude you are smart dont buy all the crap out there. Scapegoats are easy. Thinking and true understanding is hard.


And when you pull up AIPAC donor dollars it reaffirms their thesis. But understand the thesis- why does it exist and are you understandingly it correctly.

I don't agree with their conclusions for the record before some of yall spazz out on me. I'm just trying to explain the thought processes here. Great all you need are most of the facts. Careful where you get them and ask yourself are they the REAL facts.

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Hank the Grifter said:

aggies101 said:

He's just doing Israel's bidding lol. Only boomers love what we're currently getting. Continued Joe Biden levels of spending, "no new wars", cracking down on freedom of speech, dumb tariffs.

I voted for Trump the last go around, and back in 2020. He's better than Kamala Harris but the bar wasn't set very high to begin with. So far the only thing I've actually loved is closing the border.

The fact tha Israel plays such a part in our decision making and a chunk of the population doesn't see to care is wild. They buy every politician on both sides. Trump could have been different and really gone down as the best ever, now I'll remember him as just another **** politician.

So blinded by antisemitism that you can't even define what a war is anymore.

What Trump is doing is the opposite of war mongering. Get in, take care of business, get out. No years of cronies getting rich off of pointless wars.

He's making the world safer for everyone but especially for America.

But again, you're too busy reeeeing about Israel to even try to understand that.

Pretty pathetic.



Been on the politics board for years. He's right.
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Trump has specifically said that it was Iran that tried to take him out.
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Feel better? Name calling is very low form. I've never once listened to him, personally I think he is a fed. You're proving my point this discussion can't be had because of one side. Everything is retorted with insults and name calling. It creates a really poor environment to discuss really important topics. I think I can guess most of yall are dispensationalists.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

I've tried explaining it here before. The young generations are economically locked out of society. They have little hope for buying homes and raising families. We can look at history and see when that happens those generations become radical and violent. We've had one young guy try and kill Trump, another killed Charlie, another was just killed a week ago by SS. Scapegoats must be found. Why are the young people economically locked out? Who is responsible? For some they have concluded foreign wars in the ME inflating the money supply. So they ask who has benefited from wars in the ME if it clearly wasn't the US? And Israel gets th blame. And when you pull up AIPAC donor dollars it reaffirms their thesis.

I don't agree with their conclusions for the record before some of yall spazz out on me. I'm just trying to explain the thought processes here.


Ignore the elephant in the room.

All three had mental problems.

And you recognize their actions as radical???

Turn off Fuentes or whatever propaganda you consume.
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I never even called you a racist.

But, the practice of complaining that the Jews control the world without any specific evidence of that direct influence is in fact antisemite. Ask chat GPT about that broad topic. Hell, check with Grok and ask him if your specific post is antisemite.

Conspiracy theories of how the Jews control everything belongs on Tucker Carlsons show, not as part of polite debate
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Feel better? Name calling is very low form. I've never once listened to him, personally I think he is a fed. You're proving my point this discussion can't be had because of one side. Everything is retorted with insults and name calling. It creates a really poor environment to discuss really important topics. I think I can guess most of yall are dispensationalists.


I don't understand where blaming every ill on the Jews is not considered an insult, name calling or dangerous.
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Citation?

We typically provide links to facts around here if you want to have any credibility at all.
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I'm a little confused at what you're trying to say. It's likely they had mental health issues but idk. And yes I think it's evidence the young generation is becoming radical and violent. I don't understand your question to me if I think it's radical, I'm using them as examples of radical violence. We can also see in the protests since 2016 how violent the young generation is becoming. It's concerning to me.

I also don't understand the nick insults. I guess you're trying to invalidate I think the young generation is in a bad spot or something?
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I really like Coleman Hughes discussion with Wolpe about antisemitism. Its a pretty interesting discussion.

Its sad to see this filth around here. I mean, it's a free country, but the fact that this type of rhetoric can be shared with zero shame is just an example of how radical this country has become.

Antisemitism is likely the only topic that the radical right and the radical left agree on, with the possible exception of black people being too dumb to get an ID.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

I'm a little confused at what you're trying to say. It's likely they had mental health issues but idk. And yes I think it's evidence the young generation is becoming radical and violent. I don't understand your question to me if I think it's radical, I'm using them as examples of radical violence. We can also see in the protests since 2016 how violent the young generation is becoming. It's concerning to me.

I also don't understand the nick insults. I guess you're trying to invalidate I think the young generation is in a bad spot or something?


The strawmen being thrown at you are embarrassing.

Zionism is as big of an issue as radical Islam. Islam is just more out in the open and less covert.

Zionism has our country in a choke hold and there are too many stupid people that don't see someone like Ted Cruz misappropriating Bible verses as a problem.

It's not "blaming the Jews" Bibi doesn't practice Judaism nor is ethnically Jewish by his family roots.

We have too much foreign interference with our country. The Fox news consumers won't admit it, but we do.
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Ya I think claiming everything on the Jews is an insult but that's not even remotely close to what I've ever said. I haven't blamed all problems on anyone. I said Israel does have more influence in our politics than it should. We can agree on policy and geopoliticals stuff like taking out the regime in Iran and also recognize over influence. And I largely blame modern Christian dispensationalism.

A really good example of what I'm talking about is America was denied a border wall and security for a long time because it was considered racist. Yet at the very same time we were sending US taxpayer money to pa for Israel's border wall and security. Now calling that hypocrisy isn't antisemitic and it doesn't mean I don't want Israel to be safe and prosper. What it means is I want MY COUNTRY to be safe and prosper. And it's not.
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God forbid that it is only as simple as the U.S. having serious, permanent strategic interests in the ME and that the Israelis are our only allies that are both willing and able to get sh*t done.

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Squadron7 said:

God forbid that it is only as simple as the U.S. having serious, permanent strategic interests in the ME and that the Israelis are our only allies that are both willing and able to get sh*t done.





Cool. Let's build a base in Tehran and make it a 51 state or territory.

I bet you we won't. Because we already have plenty of strategic resources and bases and Allies all over there.

You war monger people sound like a broken record.

Anyway this is more about crippling Russia/china's latest puppet state.
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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Squadron7 said:

God forbid that it is only as simple as the U.S. having serious, permanent strategic interests in the ME and that the Israelis are our only allies that are both willing and able to get sh*t done.





Cool. Let's build a base in Tehran and make it a 51 state or territory.

I bet you we won't. Because we already have plenty of strategic resources and bases and Allies all over there.

You war monger people sound like a broken record.

Anyway this is more about crippling Russia/china's latest puppet state.


I'm old enough, by a lot, to remember "Russia/China's latest puppet state" as you blithely call them parading our embassy hostages around for 444 days forty seven years back. And all the stuff they've sponsored since that time.

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Squadron7 said:

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Squadron7 said:

God forbid that it is only as simple as the U.S. having serious, permanent strategic interests in the ME and that the Israelis are our only allies that are both willing and able to get sh*t done.





Cool. Let's build a base in Tehran and make it a 51 state or territory.

I bet you we won't. Because we already have plenty of strategic resources and bases and Allies all over there.

You war monger people sound like a broken record.

Anyway this is more about crippling Russia/china's latest puppet state.


I'm old enough, by a lot, to remember "Russia/China's latest puppet state" as you blithely call them parading our embassy hostages around for 444 days forty seven years back. And all the stuff they've sponsored since that time.




Sounds like we got our revenge after 40 years. What now?
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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Squadron7 said:

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Squadron7 said:

God forbid that it is only as simple as the U.S. having serious, permanent strategic interests in the ME and that the Israelis are our only allies that are both willing and able to get sh*t done.





Cool. Let's build a base in Tehran and make it a 51 state or territory.

I bet you we won't. Because we already have plenty of strategic resources and bases and Allies all over there.

You war monger people sound like a broken record.

Anyway this is more about crippling Russia/china's latest puppet state.


I'm old enough, by a lot, to remember "Russia/China's latest puppet state" as you blithely call them parading our embassy hostages around for 444 days forty seven years back. And all the stuff they've sponsored since that time.




Sounds like we got our revenge after 40 years. What now?


On top of Iran's substantially degraded abilities to murder civilians at home and abroad for the foreseeable future?
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Squadron7 said:

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Squadron7 said:

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Squadron7 said:

God forbid that it is only as simple as the U.S. having serious, permanent strategic interests in the ME and that the Israelis are our only allies that are both willing and able to get sh*t done.





Cool. Let's build a base in Tehran and make it a 51 state or territory.

I bet you we won't. Because we already have plenty of strategic resources and bases and Allies all over there.

You war monger people sound like a broken record.

Anyway this is more about crippling Russia/china's latest puppet state.


I'm old enough, by a lot, to remember "Russia/China's latest puppet state" as you blithely call them parading our embassy hostages around for 444 days forty seven years back. And all the stuff they've sponsored since that time.




Sounds like we got our revenge after 40 years. What now?


On top of Iran's substantially degraded abilities to murder civilians at home and abroad for the foreseeable future?


I don't think you processed my question. I agree. Bad guys gone. What now?
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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Squadron7 said:

God forbid that it is only as simple as the U.S. having serious, permanent strategic interests in the ME and that the Israelis are our only allies that are both willing and able to get sh*t done.





Cool. Let's build a base in Tehran and make it a 51 state or territory.

I bet you we won't. Because we already have plenty of strategic resources and bases and Allies all over there.

You war monger people sound like a broken record.

Anyway this is more about crippling Russia/china's latest puppet state.


This is more about taking out the single biggest threat to the region!! Squadron 7 nailed it. It is that simple!
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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Squadron7 said:

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Squadron7 said:

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Squadron7 said:

God forbid that it is only as simple as the U.S. having serious, permanent strategic interests in the ME and that the Israelis are our only allies that are both willing and able to get sh*t done.





Cool. Let's build a base in Tehran and make it a 51 state or territory.

I bet you we won't. Because we already have plenty of strategic resources and bases and Allies all over there.

You war monger people sound like a broken record.

Anyway this is more about crippling Russia/china's latest puppet state.


I'm old enough, by a lot, to remember "Russia/China's latest puppet state" as you blithely call them parading our embassy hostages around for 444 days forty seven years back. And all the stuff they've sponsored since that time.




Sounds like we got our revenge after 40 years. What now?


On top of Iran's substantially degraded abilities to murder civilians at home and abroad for the foreseeable future?


I don't think you processed my question. I agree. Bad guys gone. What now?


Depends on the next guys up, I would suppose. No more "nation building" I hope.
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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

aggies101 said:

BusterAg said:

Trump made the wold safer this weekend. Or do you disagree?


Disagree. This has the potential to lead to a much bigger fallout. This is Israel's fight. Not ours. We do not gain anything from this. We have 20 years of data to back this up. Again, I voted for the guy. I'm not some libtard that just hates everything that is republican. But this isn't the America first movement I was voting for. Charlie Kirk would agree, and I'm glad he doesn't have to see this. 3 American troops died from this already.




You are glad Charlie Kirk is dead? That's an odd take.



What?? I have no clue how that's what you took from my argument. Charlie Kirk was a great guy, who was firmly against what is happening in Iran. Go back and actually look at what he was saying before he was shot. I'm glad he doesn't have to see the president he worked so hard to get elected, completely betray the America first movement.
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Hank the Grifter said:

aggies101 said:

Hank the Grifter said:

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He's just doing Israel's bidding lol. Only boomers love what we're currently getting. Continued Joe Biden levels of spending, "no new wars", cracking down on freedom of speech, dumb tariffs.

I voted for Trump the last go around, and back in 2020. He's better than Kamala Harris but the bar wasn't set very high to begin with. So far the only thing I've actually loved is closing the border.

The fact tha Israel plays such a part in our decision making and a chunk of the population doesn't see to care is wild. They buy every politician on both sides. Trump could have been different and really gone down as the best ever, now I'll remember him as just another **** politician.

So blinded by antisemitism that you can't even define what a war is anymore.

What Trump is doing is the opposite of war mongering. Get in, take care of business, get out. No years of cronies getting rich off of pointless wars.

He's making the world safer for everyone but especially for America.

But again, you're too busy reeeeing about Israel to even try to understand that.

Pretty pathetic.




If you believe in Israel's cause so much, then go convince your son to sign up and fight for it. Or go do it yourself if you can still enlist. Just because I'm against fighting Israel's war doesn't mean I'm antisemitic. I'm just ACTUALLY America first.

Btw, if Trump wants to make the world safer, there are a **** load of Epstein files that need explaining. It would be nice if we had a president that would "drain the swamp" right now. Go look back at what he actually ran on vs what he's doing now. It wasn't that ago he was calling her "crooked Hilary" now she's a "strong woman". He was also disappointed to see Bill Clinton questioned. Idk about you, but the guy just seems full of **** lately. We need to stop looking at these politicians as heroes and instead see them for what they are.

You mean the guy deposing dictatorial regimes all over the world? Take your own advice and turn off Alex Jones.


If I was listening to Alex jones I would be sucking off Trump like you are.
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I agree with your commentary. I was trying to highlight what I believe the younger generations are thinking. The truth is far more complex. Personally I believe our problems started with the war of 1812 when we were going to vote to ditch a central bank. Our first central bank's charter expired in 1811 and there wasn't a lot of support to redo it. War of 1812 happens and we've had a central bank ever since.
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Wait….all these posters are telling me Trump is an Israeli puppet now? He's not a Russian puppet anymore? I'm so confused.
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Just supposing that Jewish/Israeli interests do actually have disproportionate sway in American politics which I believe is probably true. It may very well be a problem but it's not an existential level problem. I'd have to be convinced it's anywhere close to being among the Top 10 problems we face as a nation.

As far as taking down the Mullahs I think the whole western world benefits from it albeit no one more than Israel.
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ThunderCougarFalconBird said:

Wait….all these posters are telling me Trump is an Israeli puppet now? He's not a Russian puppet anymore? I'm so confused.


Why is he protecting people in the Epstein files and not divulging full transparency as promised?

Answer: protecting Zionists.

That much is worthy of criticism. Pam Bond made his whole administration look like clowns with the ridiculous house meeting.

What could be the reason he's choosing to protect people and keep Americans in the dark and not prosecute pedophiles?
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So since Trump is aiding Israel, everyone now hates Jews?

Sounds like some of y'all have chronic DTS to me.
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agsalaska said:

None of this matters at all unless he addresses the national debt.

Its just some short term feel good.

Which he can't really do. That's in the hands of the pathetic legislators.
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FobTies said:

Trump chose to initiate a regime change, after campaigning against it. Hopefully he can close it out successfully, without costing the taxpayer billions. Lots of football spiking here already, just a couple days in.

MAGA has completely lost the conservative thread. Trump is warping into everything they were against.

  • Trump campaigned on 'no new wars' to raucous applause and has since attacked 2 different nations (Iran & Venezuela). He criticized Kamala and Hillary for being 'War Hawks' and that they should put 'America First.' This Iran situation could easily escalate into a large scale global conflict or even another Middle Eastern occupation and for what? I thought Trump already obliterated their nuclear capacities. What did this accomplish that helps America? Seems like War Hawking to me.
  • Republicans decried the 'Biden crime family' for their strong arming of a Ukrainian O&G company to hire Hunter Biden to their board and yet Trump has enriched he and his family by billions through their crypto platform. He's even selling personal access to anyone who buys enough $TRUMP coin. Just imagine if Biden or any other Dem did that.
  • Republicans lambasted the growing deficit and liberal spending programs and yet Trump has added more to the deficit than any dem administration by a large margin.
  • Republicans were tired of hearing about how well the stock market was doing, how low unemployment was, and how much GDP grew buy and elected Trump with a mandate to lower everyday household prices and yet he institutes (illegal) blanket tariffs that cost the average family $1,300 more and will likely lead to refunds issued to CORPORATIONS.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

FobTies said:

Trump chose to initiate a regime change, after campaigning against it. Hopefully he can close it out successfully, without costing the taxpayer billions. Lots of football spiking here already, just a couple days in.

MAGA has completely lost the conservative thread. Trump is warping into everything they were against.

  • Trump campaigned on 'no new wars' to raucous applause and has since attacked 2 different nations (Iran & Venezuela). He criticized Kamala and Hillary for being 'War Hawks' and that they should put 'America First.' This Iran situation could easily escalate into a large scale global conflict or even another Middle Eastern occupation and for what? I thought Trump already obliterated their nuclear capacities. What did this accomplish that helps America? Seems like War Hawking to me.
  • Republicans decried the 'Biden crime family' for their strong arming of a Ukrainian O&G company to hire Hunter Biden to their board and yet Trump has enriched he and his family by billions through their crypto platform. He's even selling personal access to anyone who buys enough $TRUMP coin. Just imagine if Biden or any other Dem did that.
  • Republicans lambasted the growing deficit and liberal spending programs and yet Trump has added more to the deficit than any dem administration by a large margin.
  • Republicans were tired of hearing about how well the stock market was doing, how low unemployment was, and how much GDP grew buy and elected Trump with a mandate to lower everyday household prices and yet he institutes (illegal) blanket tariffs that cost the average family $1,300 more and will likely lead to refunds issued to CORPORATIONS.


We who, you have a mouse in your pocket? You wouldn't know MAGA if it fell on top of your liberal bubble you spew your losing agenda.....
"We're going to turn this red Prius into a soup kitchen!"
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BTKAG97 said:

agsalaska said:

None of this matters at all unless he addresses the national debt.

Its just some short term feel good.

Which he can't really do. That's in the hands of the pathetic legislators.


Sure he can.

I've had 8 responses to that post and seven of them are like this saying the President can't do anything. That's nonsense.

The fact that he cannot by himself ie unilaterally fix these issues does not mean he cannot be a voice and a leader

Every national conversation by any national politician right now should start and finish with the debt problem. I don't care who they are or what Party they are in.

We are headed for disaster. Probably sooner rather than later. We are going to look back one day at these speeches and what not and think 'wow, even in 2026 they still ignoring it'.
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I think you misread the post. Nowhere did I say "we"
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agsalaska said:

None of this matters at all unless he addresses the national debt.

Its just some short term feel good.


Need a filibuster proof Senate (will never happen)
 
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