Iranian Regime Beliefs…WTF?

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Am I the only one that didn't know this? You think this would be propagandized for war effort.

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There is a genuinely important and under-discussed aspect of the Iranian regime's ideology.

The Mahdi and Iran's Constitutional Mission

Who is the Mahdi?

The Muslim doctrine of Mahdism revolves around an eschatological figure the Mahdi, or "Rightly Guided One" who vanquishes evil and ushers in Islamic rule during the end times. For Twelver Shia Islam (Iran's official doctrine), the Mahdi is Muhammad al-Mahdi, the twelfth and final imam, born in 868 CE, believed to have gone into a state of "occultation" (divine disappearance) in 874 CE. He is believed to still be alive and will reappear at the end of times to establish justice and bring global Islamic rule.

It's In the Constitution

Iran's 1979 constitution establishes the IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) as an "ideological army" and mandates it with "an ideological mission of jihad in God's way; that is extending sovereignty of God's law throughout the world."
The constitution's framers, as expressed by the Assembly of Experts, explicitly hoped "this century will witness the establishment of a universal holy government and the downfall of all others."

The Key Theological Shift: From Waiting to Acting

This is perhaps the most consequential part. Khomeini's instatement of the Rule of the Jurisprudent (velayat-e faqih) prompted a transformation in Shiism, replacing its traditional passivity with a more active outlook. Khomeini stated that Shia Muslims must not just passively await the return of the Mahdi but must actively prepare the ground for his return.
In other words, traditional Shia theology said wait for the Mahdi. Khomeini changed it to act to bring him back.

Real-World Consequences

The current articulation of Mahdism in Iran requires adherents to take "proactive" steps to help usher in the Mahdi most notably by initiating an "apocalyptic" showdown with the "greater" and "lesser" satans, namely America and Israel.
The destruction of Israel is being viewed as the "greatest barrier" to the reappearance of the 12th Imam. According to Mahdist doctrine, part of preparing for the Imam's return is removing all obstacles to it.
The regional proxy network Hezbollah, the Houthis, Shia militias in Iraq and Syria is also understood through this lens. The IRGC's role in supporting the Houthis in Yemen has been contextualized in light of historic Shia scriptures that claim the development of a "reform movement in Yemen" is "one of the definite signs of the emergence of Imam Mahdi."

It Pervades the IRGC

As IRGC representative Ali Saeedi stated in 2012: "The IRGC is one of the tools for paving the way for the emergence of the Imam of the Age in the field of a regional and international awakening."
Iran's system of clerical rule broadly considers the Supreme Leader to be the representative of the Mahdi the twelfth Imam destined to return and rule over a period of divinely-inspired justice ahead of the end times.

Why It's Overlooked in Western Analysis

Most Western foreign policy analysis treats Iran as a rational state actor pursuing conventional geopolitical interests regional dominance, deterrence, sanctions relief. That's partly true, but it misses that for the hardline elements in charge, these actions carry genuine eschatological meaning. They believe they are literally preparing the world for a messianic return. That's a very different motivational framework than, say, Russia or China.
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I've never heard of that.

Is that typical Islamic belief system?
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Aggiefan#1 said:

I've never heard of that.

Is that typical Islamic belief system?
It sounds like they're the Mormons of Islam.
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Shiite
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My experience with Islam comes from Dune

Edit to add: it seems pretty spot on about worshipping false Gods
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Jason C.
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Quote:

In other words, traditional Shia theology said wait for the Mahdi. Khomeini changed it to act to bring him back.


Evangelical Zionists lol
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lb3 said:

Aggiefan#1 said:

I've never heard of that.

Is that typical Islamic belief system?
It sounds like they're the Mormons of Islam.


Let's find out

Me: Are they the Mormons of the Islamic Sects? I'd this an opposing view to other Islamic groups or is it really different?

Claude: Really good question. The short answer is: yes, Twelver Shia Islam is genuinely distinct and controversial within the broader Islamic world though "crazy" depends entirely on your vantage point.

How unusual is the Mahdi belief itself?
Actually, belief in the Mahdi is not uniquely Shia both Sunni and Shia Muslims believe in a messianic figure who will appear at end times. So that part isn't the dividing line. The differences run deeper.

What makes Twelver Shia distinctive (and controversial to Sunnis)
The core Sunni-Shia split goes back to the very beginning of Islam who should have succeeded the Prophet Muhammad after his death in 632 AD. Shia believed it should pass through Muhammad's bloodline (to Ali, his cousin and son-in-law). Sunnis accepted Abu Bakr, a companion of the Prophet, chosen by consensus. That original split is 1,400 years old and remains the central fault line in Islam today.
On top of that, Twelver Shia specifically believe:
There were 12 divinely appointed Imams after Muhammad, all infallible
The 12th went into supernatural "occultation" in 874 AD meaning God hid him from the world, and he's still alive
He will return at end times to establish global Islamic justice
To many Sunnis, particularly the more conservative Wahhabi/Salafi strand dominant in Saudi Arabia, this borders on heresy because it attributes near-divine or infallible qualities to human figures beyond the Prophet himself, and because the concept of a "hidden living imam" has no basis in mainstream Islamic theology.

The Mormon analogy is actually quite apt in some ways
Like Mormonism within Christianity, Twelver Shia Islam:
Accepts the foundational scripture (Quran / Bible)
But adds a layer of additional divine guidance through special human figures (the 12 Imams / Joseph Smith and continuing prophets)
Claims a continuing chain of divine authority that mainstream adherents reject
Is a genuine minority within the broader faith (~15% of Muslims are Shia, similar to how Mormons are a minority of Christians)
Is viewed by hardline mainstream adherents as not just wrong, but dangerously deviant
Saudi Arabia and Iran are in many ways the theological and geopolitical poles of this divide Sunni Wahhabism vs. Twelver Shia Mahdism. Their rivalry isn't just political, it's a 1,400-year-old religious dispute about the very legitimacy of the other's faith.

Where it gets more extreme
What Khomeini did in 1979 as discussed earlier was take even traditional Shia theology and radicalize it. Classical Shia teaching said: wait passively for the Mahdi. Khomeini said: actively prepare the world for his return, which in practice meant building an expansionist revolutionary state. So the Iranian regime's version is controversial not just to Sunnis, but to plenty of more quietist Shia clerics too, particularly in Iraq (Najaf), who think mixing politics and religion this aggressively is itself a theological error.
So to summarize: the Mahdi belief is broadly Islamic, the Shia tradition is ancient and legitimate (if minority), but the Iranian regime's weaponized and activist interpretation of Mahdism is genuinely extreme even by Shia standards and is viewed with deep suspicion or outright hostility by the Sunni majority world.
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Claude is fairly woke. I'm surprised it gave such a definitive answer.
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The Shia also believe the Mahdi will return during a time of war and as a result the twelvers can hasten his return by creating the war. Could be why the Iranians are shooting at everyone hoping to make it a world war. The bigger the war the better.
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lb3 said:

Claude is fairly woke. I'm surprised it gave such a definitive answer.


I've used Gemini mostly.

Grok for fun and since it's in my Teslas.

Claude is new to me so I'm using it differently and thought I would see what it had to say.

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Is Mahdi like a Persian Madea?
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You guys must be young. We've been through all this 12 Imam stuff before and the fact that they believe they must basically bring about the apocalypse for his return. Nothing new about any of this stuff and it's been freaking us out for 47 years.

You see how committed they are to this belief. There is no dissuading them from it. And its another reason, maybe the most important reason, they can never be allowed to have nukes.
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Well that's their problem right there…. When your entire ideology revolves around something that happened over 1200 years ago and don't change your ideology with time then your probably gonna lose the war in the long run. I can't imagine the people of Iran that don't believe in this same ideology but have had to live by it for the last 50 years… that would suck.

That would be like someone making you live by ideology of some type of snake or animal god … but you don't even like the animal gods because you want to worship the sun or something else. Talk about just abiding your time in society
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fullback44 said:

Well that's their problem right there…. When your entire ideology revolves around something that happened over 1200 years ago and don't change your ideology with time then your probably gonna lose the war in the long run. I can't imagine the people of Iran that don't believe in this same ideology but have had to live by it for the last 50 years… that would suck


The problem is not time but who delivered the message
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UntoldSpirit said:

You guys must be young. We've been through all this 12 Imam stuff before and the fact that they believe they must basically bring about the apocalypse for his return. Nothing new about any of this stuff and it's been freaking us out for 47 years.

You see how committed they are to this belief. There is no dissuading them from it. And its another reason, maybe the most important reason, they can never be allowed to have nukes.


Bingo. They are doing their best to make the end of times occur
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Junction71 said:

The Shia also believe the Mahdi will return during a time of war and as a result the twelvers can hasten his return by creating the war. Could be why the Iranians are shooting at everyone hoping to make it a world war. The bigger the war the better.

That was the entire point of ISIS, along with sex. The instituted sex slavery very quickly
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There are 12er's in our country now.
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TAMUallen said:

UntoldSpirit said:

You guys must be young. We've been through all this 12 Imam stuff before and the fact that they believe they must basically bring about the apocalypse for his return. Nothing new about any of this stuff and it's been freaking us out for 47 years.

You see how committed they are to this belief. There is no dissuading them from it. And its another reason, maybe the most important reason, they can never be allowed to have nukes.


Bingo. They are doing their best to make the end of times occur

Then as far as they are concerned the end times are here. Trump is fixing it for them.

I also want to note that first Trump saved the geese, cats and dogs from the Haitians. And now he is delivering the goats from their years of oppression.
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TAMUallen said:

fullback44 said:

Well that's their problem right there…. When your entire ideology revolves around something that happened over 1200 years ago and don't change your ideology with time then your probably gonna lose the war in the long run. I can't imagine the people of Iran that don't believe in this same ideology but have had to live by it for the last 50 years… that would suck


The problem is not time but who delivered the message

Yes I think we agree, this Maldi person / goddess may be like a joke to some of the Iranian people so they don't care one bit about the mullahs beliefs… it's like your living your life in a prison of their beliefs. I guess that's what happens when you have a bunch of different nationalities / sects of people that all believe in something different.
Anyway- I'm just a peasant, I'm not sure I understand much about all the Middle East issues and problems .
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fullback44 said:

TAMUallen said:

fullback44 said:

Well that's their problem right there…. When your entire ideology revolves around something that happened over 1200 years ago and don't change your ideology with time then your probably gonna lose the war in the long run. I can't imagine the people of Iran that don't believe in this same ideology but have had to live by it for the last 50 years… that would suck


The problem is not time but who delivered the message

Yes I think we agree, this Maldi person / goddess may be like a joke to some of the Iranian people so they don't care one bit about the mullahs beliefs… it's like your living your life in a prison of their beliefs. I guess that's what happens when you have a bunch of different nationalities / sects of people that all believe in something different.
Anyway- I'm just a peasant, I'm not sure I understand much about all the Middle East issues and problems .


No, I'm speaking of Muhammed the prophet and founder of Islam.
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UntoldSpirit said:

You guys must be young. We've been through all this 12 Imam stuff before and the fact that they believe they must basically bring about the apocalypse for his return. Nothing new about any of this stuff and it's been freaking us out for 47 years.

You see how committed they are to this belief. There is no dissuading them from it. And its another reason, maybe the most important reason, they can never be allowed to have nukes.

Certain people need to hear that, but they still won't believe it.

When pointing out just how dangerous the mullahs are, and that they actually have been at war with the US, and most of the rest of the world for 47 years, is now said to be "gaslighting."
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Saw this article this morning and had never heard about it either (and it's here in the states as well):

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chasing-apocalypse-radical-shiite-clerics-american-soil-preach-prophetic-showdown-us

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At a recent Friday sermon at a local Shiite mosque in northern Virginia, an imam closed prayer with an earnest plea, before war broke out in Iran: "May Allah destroy all the nonbelievers or kafiroon or munafiqoon," he said, using Arabic words that refer to "nonbelievers" and "hypocrites."

He asked for this victory "before the arrival of Imam Mahdi."


From the mosque in northern Virginia to religious institutions in Michigan and Texas, clerics aligned with the Islamic Republic are advancing a doomsday interpretation of faith that casts geopolitical and military confrontation with the U.S. as part of a prophetic destiny tied to the return of the Mahdi.
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The Iranian flavor of Shia Islam is a really bizarre notion of morality. Douglas Murray highlights a couple of examples in these video clips. All cultures are definitely not equal.



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It's not looking good, prophetically, for Shiite/Shia in this instance

The phrase "destroy Elam's arrow" (or "break the bow of Elam") comes from a biblical prophecy found in
Jeremiah 49:34-39. This passage details a divine judgment against the ancient nation of Elamoften identified with modern-day Iranwhere God declares He will dismantle their military strength
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flown-the-coop said:

Is Mahdi like a Persian Madea?



I wonder if the 12th Imam stands during the jihad
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Can we sue Iran for this? Dangerously close to our 12th Man trademark.
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The whole twelfth imam thing is a little extra crazy. The rest just plain old Islam.
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YouBet said:

Can we sue Iran for this? Dangerously close to our 12th Man trademark.


The whole thing was feeling a bit culty to me but I was choosing not to see it…
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Aggiefan#1 said:

I've never heard of that.

Is that typical Islamic belief system?

Typical for the Iranian version.
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No wonder they're so ****ing whacky!
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Iran is Home of the 12th Imam. One might call them the 12 Imam Foundation.
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So Gozer worshippers ?
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Jason C. said:

Quote:

In other words, traditional Shia theology said wait for the Mahdi. Khomeini changed it to act to bring him back.


Evangelical Zionists lol


It's not like they're trying to bring about the end times by building the third temple and breeding a red heifer without blemish for sacrifice.
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Ozzy Osbourne said:

Iran is Home of the 12th Imam. One might call them the 12 Imam Foundation.


Probably have a Priority Points system to get your 72 Virgins
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