dvldog said:

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The SC should have addressed this in the first place. This is going to end up right back on their docket.

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Yep. It seems obvious. It's like they were buying time intentionally.

dvldog said:

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The SC should have addressed this in the first place. This is going to end up right back on their docket.

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Maybe, maybe not. If the lower courts don't stay their own ruling and superior courts don't accept an appeal, then the ruling will stick and life moves on.

But I agree that's not yet clear. We'll have to see how it plays out.

Logos Stick said:

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MAGA says that US businesses did not pay the tariffs.

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Well if said business actually have a deposited check or equal by the US treasure for remittance of said tariff then that's demonstrably false

MouthBQ98 said:

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So who actually paid the cost in the end, or is this just a windfall for the importer that will get a big rebate for costs they have already passed along as much as they are able?

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The entity that is due the refund is the one who actually paid the tariff to the government.

Whether they explicitly passed it on to their customer and that customer is due a refund from them will depend on the commercial contract between those parties. In some cases I would bet it's clear that their customer is due a refund. In other cases, it won't be in the contract and will be subject to negotiation if the customer has commercial leverage to force the issue.

And I'd bet there will also be lawsuits for those cases where the parties don't agree.

A huge mess really.

Good luck with that. Not going to happen

Steel tariffs have cost us a lot of money and we have not gotten a dime and won't get a dime. Neither should any of yall

dvldog said:

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The SC should have addressed this in the first place. This is going to end up right back on their docket.

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There was nothing to address. The government said that people would get refunds if they lost it is part of the reason there was a stay on any injunction. The government said there would be no permanent harm.

2026NCAggies said:

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Good luck with that. Not going to happen

Steel tariffs have cost us a lot of money and we have not gotten a dime and won't get a dime. Neither should any of yall

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The ruling addresses those who actually sent money to the government for tariff payments. And yes they should be refunded.

Why would it not happen? It happens all the time. There are courts set specifically for this

MouthBQ98 said:

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So who actually paid the cost in the end, or is this just a windfall for the importer that will get a big rebate for costs they have already passed along as much as they are able?

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This

Martin Q. Blank said:

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Quote:

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must begin paying out more than $130 billion in tariff refunds to US businesses

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So businesses charge more to compensate for tariffs. Then get refunded. Good day for big business!

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It was a bunch of the "smalkl business" folk here and on the news / interwebs bellyaching that tariffs hit them the most.

So which is it?

BigRobSA said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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So who actually paid the cost in the end, or is this just a windfall for the importer that will get a big rebate for costs they have already passed along as much as they are able?

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Yes


;-)

This is why the idea of tariffs, like all fiscally liberal policy, is dumb. It also won't fix the issue of mfg having moved out of country as much as it has (even though we make more now than ever before). Idiotic policies did that, so you don't add more idiocy to the mix...you remove the previous idiocy.

-deregulate, massively
-cut taxes, massively (corporate taxes zero, lower OUR taxes, too)

-GUT spending....this won't fix the mfg thing, but will help the economy, so, might as well.

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I believe the current metric in Trump 2.0 is something like 18 regulations removed for any new regulation added. So its not all bad news.

Thanks for the clarification. I guess I was thinking back to Gorsuch's opinion where he mentioned something about the refund mess and that the court chose not to provide any guidance on that (paraphrasing). But I could have also made that up or am remembering it incorrectly...

Can the customers of these big businesses file class action lawsuits to get their refunds for tariff costs passed to down to them?

Or does the customer base have no standing?

It seems to me this is like a business collecting a sales tax on customer purchases and then getting a refund for it but not passing it back to the customers.

Not a lawyer obviously.

BigRobSA said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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So who actually paid the cost in the end, or is this just a windfall for the importer that will get a big rebate for costs they have already passed along as much as they are able?

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Yes


;-)

This is why the idea of tariffs, like all fiscally liberal policy, is dumb. It also won't fix the issue of mfg having moved out of country as much as it has (even though we make more now than ever before). Idiotic policies did that, so you don't add more idiocy to the mix...you remove the previous idiocy.

-deregulate, massively
-cut taxes, massively (corporate taxes zero, lower OUR taxes, too)

-GUT spending....this won't fix the mfg thing, but will help the economy, so, might as well.

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I'd agree except we can't cut the regulations, tariffs, or taxes on OUR products by other nations.

Once again, the only winners here will be the lawyers.

javajaws said:

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Once again, the only winners here will be the lawyers.

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This.

flown-the-coop said:

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BigRobSA said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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So who actually paid the cost in the end, or is this just a windfall for the importer that will get a big rebate for costs they have already passed along as much as they are able?

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Yes


;-)

This is why the idea of tariffs, like all fiscally liberal policy, is dumb. It also won't fix the issue of mfg having moved out of country as much as it has (even though we make more now than ever before). Idiotic policies did that, so you don't add more idiocy to the mix...you remove the previous idiocy.

-deregulate, massively
-cut taxes, massively (corporate taxes zero, lower OUR taxes, too)

-GUT spending....this won't fix the mfg thing, but will help the economy, so, might as well.

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I believe the current metric in Trump 2.0 is something like 18 regulations removed for any new regulation added. So its not all bad news.

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LOL

Bless your heart....

BTKAG97 said:

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So we can sue those businesses that charged us a tariff premium to get our money back?

Right..? Right..?

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Id think that depends on your contract with said business.

MouthBQ98 said:

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So who actually paid the cost in the end, or is this just a windfall for the importer that will get a big rebate for costs they have already passed along as much as they are able?

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I have a material I purchase from India. It is approximately $70k every 2 months. I have 3 shipments that I have paid $18k in tariffs per shipment, $54k total. Any new orders I have sourced from elsewhere, so India has been affected by this tariff.

My demand is elastic and I was unable to pass the cost along. I do not expect a refund, and I am confident if refunds were paid the process would be rife with fraud because the gov't stinks at everything it does.

For me, I had to try to cut costs elsewhere to offset tariff, that made me stronger overall. I diversified my supply chain as well. I am not happy about the tariff and I have a long history here arguing against tariffs in general, but I support the tariff in the sense that it could strengthen our US manufacturing base. The product I buy from India is manufacturable here in the US, it would just cost $100k per order for me vs $70k from India. It is low tech product so it is not critical to reshore it back to USA.

Yes, I really need that $50k, but I am confident that if I receive it back, I will just pay it elsewhere as any check distributed by the US Gov't comes out of my pocket ultimately.

Shrink Gov't, stop mandating the Gov't write checks for everything. That is what would make me happy and prosperous. And reshore good manufacturing in USA.

Somalis with an emergency meeting to see how they can get their tariff money back.

Teslag said:

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2026NCAggies said:

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Good luck with that. Not going to happen

Steel tariffs have cost us a lot of money and we have not gotten a dime and won't get a dime. Neither should any of yall

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The ruling addresses those who actually sent money to the government for tariff payments. And yes they should be refunded.

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What about the guy who paid FedEx or UPS for the COD tariff? Where did that money go? SC gave us a clown show.

BMX Bandit said:

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Why would it not happen? It happens all the time. There are courts set specifically for this

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Lawyer windfall of 40% + legal fees, yep.

MemphisAg1 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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So who actually paid the cost in the end, or is this just a windfall for the importer that will get a big rebate for costs they have already passed along as much as they are able?

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The entity that is due the refund is the one who actually paid the tariff to the government.

Whether they explicitly passed it on to their customer and that customer is due a refund from them will depend on the commercial contract between those parties. In some cases I would bet it's clear that their customer is due a refund. In other cases, it won't be in the contract and will be subject to negotiation if the customer has commercial leverage to force the issue.

And I'd bet there will also be lawsuits for those cases where the parties don't agree.


A huge mess really.

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A mess indeed, which is often what scotus makrs

As I said on the previous thread where FedEx was suing,

My wife had ordered some gloves from a UK store.
They shipped and eventually we received them... we thought the tariff was included in the price.

Several weeks late we got a bill from FedEx saying they had paid the extra tariff and we owed them the cost of the tariff plus the extra processing free for them to pay it for us.
We were never told the package was waiting tariff fees, we were never given the option to pay them.

So the question becomes, who really paid the tariff?
Yes FedEx paid it initially, but they then charged us and tacked on extra.
So do they(FedEx) get a refund and get to keep the extra fee they forced us to pay, or does the refund come to us?

Scruffy said:

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As I said on the previous thread where FedEx was suing,

My wife had ordered some gloves from a UK store.
They shipped and eventually we received them... we thought the tariff was included in the price.

Several weeks late we got a bill from FedEx saying they had paid the extra tariff and we owed them the cost of the tariff plus the extra processing free for them to pay it for us.
We were never told the package was waiting tariff fees, we were never given the option to pay them.

So the question becomes, who really paid the tariff?
Yes FedEx paid it initially, but they then charged us and tacked on extra.
So do they(FedEx) get a refund and get to keep the extra fee they forced us to pay, or does the refund come to us?

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Not a lawyer so what follows seems like common sense.

Since you have a documented that they paid the tariff for you and you paid them the extra tariff costs then they should owe you the money back. Though the extra processing fee will probably be lost.

If they say they owe you nothing, consult a lawyer.