While the topic is off center, the reasons for the thread are the same.

Dated March 22nd.

This one is likely known by everyone whose neurons function.

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Massive new study finds myocarditis and pericarditis only in COVID-19 vaccinated youth - American Thinker

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TyHolden said:

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I didn't get it.
I got fired.
I found another job.
I'm still alive.
Probably not for too much longer.

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Man, you okay? Not gonna pry, but hope you are around many more years. You're a dang good poster in these parts. Keep your gig strong.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Gordo14 said:

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Vaccinated individuals had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19 (weighted hazard ratio [wHR], 0.26 [95% CI, 0.22-0.30]) and a 25% lower risk of all-cause mortality (wHR, 0.75 [95% CI, 0.75-0.76]), with a similar association observed when excluding severe COVID-19 death. Sensitivity analysis revealed that vaccinated individuals consistently had a lower risk of death, regardless of the cause.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41343214/

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305

Multiple studies in multiple countries have found:

" In this national cohort study of 28 million individuals, the results found no increased risk of 4-year all-cause mortality in individuals aged 18 to 59 years vaccinated against COVID-19, further supporting the safety of the mRNA vaccines that are widely used worldwide."

Do whatever you want to do with your life. But just because you read something on the internet doesn't mean it's true. Which is why I've included peer reviewed population sized studies.

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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/feb/03/the-situation-has-become-appalling-fake-scientific-papers-push-research-credibility-to-crisis-point

Sorry. Peer reviewed studies just don't carry the same weight anymore.

And lunatic lemming leftists are to blame for the modern science community not being trusted.

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So true and that's when you know the Marxists are making strong inroads. Control of thought and speech. Thank God for Elon busting thru one of those nuts.

Pure blood here. As an O- blood type, I could make some bank.

Justbob said:

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In 2023 I was diagnosed with clear cell renal carcinoma in my right kidney. A top urologist/oncologist performed my radical nephrectomy. In my pre-op appointment. The second sentence out of his mouth was, "Were you vaxed?" I nervously replied, "No!" He said, "Good for you."
I had no metastatic cancer from a kidney that was 80% necrotic. No chemo or radiation ever taken. I have five friends that have passed from onset or recurrence of cancers that went turbo. All were vaxed. Nothing tried by oncologists slowed it.
There is a reason the good Dr. said, "Good for you." Big pharma is the modern equivalent of Dr.
Mengele. I am a scientist, and, I don't give a damn what studies say. If you dig, you will find others that support my position. I'm alive today because I read and refuted popular opinion.

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Youre a scientist yet you're citing your population of one as evidence. Ok.

I had the monoclonal antibody treatment here in Florida. Before it was banned by Biden. That (you know what).
I was on the floor for 3 days, got the antibodies, and was back to normal within 24 hours.

Don't come to me with your Covid vax apologetics. Too many other rational ways to overcome the 'science'

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The human race will be better off without those who refuse to follow science.

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Like the difference between the X and Y chromosome science?

Do you mean all the lol fat tubs of goo running the body positivity movement? If so yep it will save us so much in healthcare if those anti-science idiots die off.

Lots of covidiots still exist … most people realize now that the vax was an experiment that seems to be causing more problems than good, I now have 4 friends who took the shots and have died from cancer.. peoples autoimmune systems were affected and cancer seems to be exploding everywhere. There's a reason Drs ask people coming in with cancer "did you take the shots". .. very sad that it has come to this. My buddies GF in her late 40s was a raging leftist looney but she was very healthy with zero health issues.. she took all the shots and boosters, she got a very aggressive form of cancer within 1 1/2 years of shots, he took her to MD Anderson many times for treatment, sadly when they finally told her none of their treatments or studies would help her she broke down crying and admitted that she should have never taken all those experimental shot, she died soon after MD Anderson said their was nothing else they could so, too many stories like this popping up everywhere. Sadly, I think this cancer issue will get much worse

It's really very simple. Eat healthy, be active, exercise, get good sleep. Unless you had had underlying health concerns (cancer, immune issues, etc.) or were extremely elderly, there was virtually no reason to get an experimental vaccine for a virus that had a 98-99% survival rate. If you were relatively young and healthy then getting the stab was reckless on your part. Why would you put your own health in jeopardy for an experiment? To me that seems insane. The way they pushed it and forced the issue threatening your job and livelihood should have caused you to stop and ask questions. To lineup and inject something into your body with virtually no data to support its safety and effectiveness seems crazy just because the government said you should. They threw out a bunch of numbers that were what, 6mos old? A year? What about long term? Yeah, they've never lied before. Learn to think and take care of yourself. I get it, some people had serious reasons to take it, and for those folks I understand. The rest of the "healthy" population, that was just lemming mentality.

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We could have told those at risk to stay at home and just let COVID rip through the rest of the population. We would have saved a lot of time and money and probably solved the Social Security funding issue to bot.

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They probably could have saved a lot of those at risk with blood thinners if they would have listened and not squelched the opinions of several doctors that wanted to think outside the FDA/ hospital rules Box..

Instead, they wanted to shove ventilators down people's throats that cause even more blood clots in people's lungs and shoot them up with Remdisivir that kills their organs.

They also needed to turn it into a profit cow for the hospitals and big pharma companies, instead of, using drugs that were cheap, tested safe for years, and widely available..

Too many people declare eating healthy impossible.

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Anyone under 65 that got the clot shot is a moron in my book. Seriously, it's an instant credibility killer.

But aside from that, my concern is that the excess deaths are from the virus, not the vax. How can they segregate those two?

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I chose to be able to see my 96 year old dad in assisted living, and had no adverse effects from the shots. Had I not gotten the "moronic clot shot" I would not have seen him for 2 years before he died. I would hope you would have done the same for your father.

Edit: I haven't gotten a booster since he died, and have had COVID twice.

backintexas2013 said:

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Too many people declare eating healthy impossible.

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Amen to this! Or "expensive"……they just don't know how to cook, and that is a genuine problem in many "cultures".

Yep seen the "it's too expensive" argument too. Recently on here. It's comical.

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Queso1 said:

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Anyone under 65 that got the clot shot is a moron in my book. Seriously, it's an instant credibility killer.

But aside from that, my concern is that the excess deaths are from the virus, not the vax. How can they segregate those two?

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I chose to be able to see my 96 year old dad in assisted living, and had no adverse effects from the shots. Had I not gotten the "moronic clot shot" I would not have seen him for 2 years before he died. I would hope you would have done the same for your father.

Edit: I haven't gotten a booster since he died, and have had COVID twice.

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I'm sorry about your father. I was faced with the same dilemma, as my father died in a memory center. An ugly 11 year nightmare battle with Lewy body dementia (thank you Agent Orange). He finally passed in 2024. They initially told us that we could not visit him without the vax, but they eventually relented if we masked.

He wasn't coherent for several years, but I know he wouldn't have wanted me to take the shot if I suspected it was harmful.

If we were to believe the first traunch of propaganda, you couldn't catch it if you were vaxxed anyway (which he was without his actual knowledge). Of course that narrative changed to "you can't pass it if you are vaxxed",. Then it was "if you're vaxxed, you'll be loved and you'll go to heaven".

The science breakdown started with the shot was better than natural immunity - it was surprising so few even attempted to dispute this when the medical world was pushing the "vaccine" was still needed even if you already had it.


And it isn't lost on me that if Trump had won the election, the leftists would be the biggest anti vaxxers out there. Their VP leader ahead of the election stated as much but that quickly got buried once the Biden admin realized the control aspect of Covid and the vax.

I know three people in their 30's and 40's who had very rapid bouts of cancer. Well, two of them had cancer that was seemingly at bay, but then it took off after their shots. One had some crazy form of cancer that just came out of nowhere and killed her within 9 months.

It could all be coincidence but I will always wonder if these at least poured fuel on the fire with certain types of cancers. Maybe they didn't "cause" them, but sped them up or brought people out of remission?

https://www.gbnews.com/health/covid-jab-vital-safety-checks-german-covid-inquiry

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Dr Sterz has studied publicly available evidence and research papers, about the laboratory and human trials of the mRNA Covid vaccine and potential side effects.
Asked whether the vaccine had been fully tested before approval, he told the committee:

"No, the (cancer causing) carcinogenic risk was not investigated due to time constraints. Incidentally, I find it very concerning and also regrettable that no alternative investigations were carried out."

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He added that a study on reproduction, fertility, pregnancy and newborn development had not been done to the necessary standards.
He said that in the countries of the European Union, the birth rate had decreased steadily after the beginning of the Covid vaccination campaign.
"A reproductive toxicity study in rats for (the mRNA vaccine) for Cominarty was conducted inadequately, and an important side effect, early abortions was not taken seriously. So no reliable estimates of the vaccine's effect on pregnancy or subsequent development were possible."

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So the safe and effective vaccine that saved humanity from extinction has connections with increasing cancer deaths, cardiovascular issues with young and healthy individuals, decreasing birth rates and a myriad of mysterious and serious health conditions ( a young lady I know is experiencing ongoing serious immune issues since taking the jab.) Plus millions of kids lost years of education, the economy was wrecked, people lost trust in the medical system and government grew in its power exponentially. But it saved billions of lives so totally worth it.

Ah the compressed Y axis trick. Idiots fall for it all the time.

Mattressburn said:

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The ironic thing or sad thing or whatever thing. Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history in my opinion. Trump could own that if he wanted to. I think it succeeded despite him, but it would be his to own if he wanted it.

If I am speaking honestly though. Even though I know how herd immunity works and I realize there are those that literally can't be vaccinated because their body won't develop an immune response. Covid wasn't even that bad. Could've been a lot deadlier.


When something more contagious with a higher mortality count comes along. First I hope there is an easy vaccine. 2nd I hope you anti vaxxers stick to your guns.

The race of humanity will thank you for your sacrifice to the survival of the fittest. It sucks for those immunocompromised that you might infect with your ignorance literally, but we are past that. I did what I could do for them including calling out idiots who put them in danger.

Just looking at the 10,000 foot view though.

Thanks you're literally killing ignorance although you will suicide bomb a few around you. In the grand scheme of humanity I think that works out ok.

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In that scenario, with a much more deadly virus, people who used logic and reason to correctly forgo the Covid vaccine would likely again use logic and reason to determine whether it makes sense to get the vaccine. Refusing one doesn't mean we refuse all, and someone who thinks that probably got the Covid vax.

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Queso1 said:

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Anyone under 65 that got the clot shot is a moron in my book. Seriously, it's an instant credibility killer.

But aside from that, my concern is that the excess deaths are from the virus, not the vax. How can they segregate those two?

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I chose to be able to see my 96 year old dad in assisted living, and had no adverse effects from the shots. Had I not gotten the "moronic clot shot" I would not have seen him for 2 years before he died. I would hope you would have done the same for your father.

Edit: I haven't gotten a booster since he died, and have had COVID twice.

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That's a horrible situation. But I don't think it would be too difficult to lawyer up, and make it happen. You can claim that wouldn't have worked, or would've been too expensive. But based on circumstances, I know for a fact that my family would have supported my legitimate health concerns enough to look past this if I at least go all in to make it happen, without risking a useless shot that everyone knew wouldn't have done any good for any parties involved. Hell, id have barged my way in and made them drag me out. The press alone would've stopped them in their tracks, regardless of the "support" of all the ****ers that put so many people in that position. There were still enough people who weren't blind to the mess politics got us into to provide public support. If they didn't throw me in jail the first time, then id do it again until a lawyer would be involved. But id lawyer up first and that would've been enough. Of course, I don't mind spending money on things like this. It's worth it, especially against tyranny and literal murder.

A lot of people wouldn't have blindly followed this crap, to "follow the rules." Screw that. Id have gone destitute to make it happen. And it would have happened. This is a battle that I wouldn't have lost, just takes a spine and willingness to take a beating socially. And honestly, those who stood up against these idiots are better off now, if those factors are a major concern to you.

I honestly think my mom would have never forgiven me if I gave in, even if it were her last days, assuming she understood what was happening. Even if she had dementia, it would be a disservice to her memory if I risked my own health before at least trying to force a better solution.

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Mattressburn said:

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The ironic thing or sad thing or whatever thing. Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history in my opinion. Trump could own that if he wanted to. I think it succeeded despite him, but it would be his to own if he wanted it.

If I am speaking honestly though. Even though I know how herd immunity works and I realize there are those that literally can't be vaccinated because their body won't develop an immune response. Covid wasn't even that bad. Could've been a lot deadlier.


When something more contagious with a higher mortality count comes along. First I hope there is an easy vaccine. 2nd I hope you anti vaxxers stick to your guns.

The race of humanity will thank you for your sacrifice to the survival of the fittest. It sucks for those immunocompromised that you might infect with your ignorance literally, but we are past that. I did what I could do for them including calling out idiots who put them in danger.

Just looking at the 10,000 foot view though.

Thanks you're literally killing ignorance although you will suicide bomb a few around you. In the grand scheme of humanity I think that works out ok.

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In that scenario, with a much more deadly virus, people who used logic and reason to correctly forgo the Covid vaccine would likely again use logic and reason to determine whether it makes sense to get the vaccine. Refusing one doesn't mean we refuse all, and someone who thinks that probably got the Covid vax.

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Exactly. True science is variable and depends on data from all angles, and using that data to formulate a theory that can, and is required to be challenged. Data wasn't used in this way for covid. It wasn't even allowed to be challenged, which is a defining factor of what science actually is. It was selective, and used to back into a hypothesis that "scientists" used to determine "facts" to create "the science is settled" that so many blindly went along with. But none of the lemmings understand any of the above, especially that there was literally nothing scientific about the process that was used and presented to the public. They didn't even pretend to follow the rules of science once they realized they didn't have to in order to accomplish their goals. They probably were caught off guard that so many idiots were willing to go along with what they were told without question, which allowed them to push even harder. And still no-one did anything. Even now we are seeing people, like in this thread, defending how things played out, and in the face of the truth and data clearly outlining the lies we were forced to believe.

A truly incredible time to be alive. And incredibly depressing to see how stupid and naive the average person truly is. Willful ignorance is an incredibly dangerous thing, moreso in a mob amongst true believers.

i am flabbergasted that people are still debating the covid jab topic. it's 2026 for gods sake.

Gordo14 said:

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Vaccinated individuals had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19 (weighted hazard ratio [wHR], 0.26 [95% CI, 0.22-0.30]) and a 25% lower risk of all-cause mortality (wHR, 0.75 [95% CI, 0.75-0.76]), with a similar association observed when excluding severe COVID-19 death. Sensitivity analysis revealed that vaccinated individuals consistently had a lower risk of death, regardless of the cause.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41343214/

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305

Multiple studies in multiple countries have found:

" In this national cohort study of 28 million individuals, the results found no increased risk of 4-year all-cause mortality in individuals aged 18 to 59 years vaccinated against COVID-19, further supporting the safety of the mRNA vaccines that are widely used worldwide."

Do whatever you want to do with your life. But just because you read something on the internet doesn't mean it's true. Which is why I've included peer reviewed population sized studies.

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LOL.....it went from 0.01% to 0.0026%....BFD.

Mattressburn said:

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AggieT said:

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Mattressburn said:

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The ironic thing or sad thing or whatever thing. Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history in my opinion. Trump could own that if he wanted to. I think it succeeded despite him, but it would be his to own if he wanted it.

If I am speaking honestly though. Even though I know how herd immunity works and I realize there are those that literally can't be vaccinated because their body won't develop an immune response. Covid wasn't even that bad. Could've been a lot deadlier.


When something more contagious with a higher mortality count comes along. First I hope there is an easy vaccine. 2nd I hope you anti vaxxers stick to your guns.

The race of humanity will thank you for your sacrifice to the survival of the fittest. It sucks for those immunocompromised that you might infect with your ignorance literally, but we are past that. I did what I could do for them including calling out idiots who put them in danger.

Just looking at the 10,000 foot view though.

Thanks you're literally killing ignorance although you will suicide bomb a few around you. In the grand scheme of humanity I think that works out ok.

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Wow. That's your hindsight view of Covid and the vaccines?

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The leap from decades of research to mere months of development is a generational triumph that most of human history would have considered magic. It is the biological equivalent of going from the Wright Brothers to SpaceX in a single bound. We have effectively cracked the code on human response times.

It is staggering to realize that we successfully deployed a smallpox vaccine before we even had a functional germ theory to explain why it worked. That was pure survival instinct backed by observation. Before the measles vaccine existed, we were losing 2.6 million human beings every year; that is a body count higher than the entire population of Houston wiped off the planet annually.

It is a special kind of irony that the 'pro-life' movement treats this speed as a conspiracy instead of a breakthrough. If you actually valued life as a raw metric, you would be the first to celebrate the science that keeps 2.6 million children alive every year. But since your moral concern seems to vanish the moment the cord is cut, 'pro-birth' is the only honest label left for this logic. You care about the potential for life, but you are strangely indifferent to the actual survival of it once it enters the world. You're essentially standing on the shoulders of giants while complaining about the view.

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Talk about your cognitive dissonance....a bigger example we will not find on F16 in 2026.

Mattressburn said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Mattressburn said:

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AggieT said:

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Mattressburn said:

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The ironic thing or sad thing or whatever thing. Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history in my opinion. Trump could own that if he wanted to. I think it succeeded despite him, but it would be his to own if he wanted it.

If I am speaking honestly though. Even though I know how herd immunity works and I realize there are those that literally can't be vaccinated because their body won't develop an immune response. Covid wasn't even that bad. Could've been a lot deadlier.


When something more contagious with a higher mortality count comes along. First I hope there is an easy vaccine. 2nd I hope you anti vaxxers stick to your guns.

The race of humanity will thank you for your sacrifice to the survival of the fittest. It sucks for those immunocompromised that you might infect with your ignorance literally, but we are past that. I did what I could do for them including calling out idiots who put them in danger.

Just looking at the 10,000 foot view though.

Thanks you're literally killing ignorance although you will suicide bomb a few around you. In the grand scheme of humanity I think that works out ok.

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Wow. That's your hindsight view of Covid and the vaccines?

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The leap from decades of research to mere months of development is a generational triumph that most of human history would have considered magic. It is the biological equivalent of going from the Wright Brothers to SpaceX in a single bound. We have effectively cracked the code on human response times.

It is staggering to realize that we successfully deployed a smallpox vaccine before we even had a functional germ theory to explain why it worked. That was pure survival instinct backed by observation. Before the measles vaccine existed, we were losing 2.6 million human beings every year; that is a body count higher than the entire population of Houston wiped off the planet annually.

It is a special kind of irony that the 'pro-life' movement treats this speed as a conspiracy instead of a breakthrough. If you actually valued life as a raw metric, you would be the first to celebrate the science that keeps 2.6 million children alive every year. But since your moral concern seems to vanish the moment the cord is cut, 'pro-birth' is the only honest label left for this logic. You care about the potential for life, but you are strangely indifferent to the actual survival of it once it enters the world. You're essentially standing on the shoulders of giants while complaining about the view.

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"Im hope all you anti vaxxers die"

Followed by

"Im more pro life than pro lifers"

Wow. How many boosters have you had?

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Oh, that's where you're wrong. I've never said I was pro-life. Just called those who profess that while being anti-vax, as pro-birth.

I think this is Darwin in action.

The human race will be better off without those who refuse to follow science. That I fully believe in.

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You're absolutely right on Darwin in action. All of you who have made science your religion are, for whatever reasons, refusing to breed and will be gone in a few generations. And you're also correct that we'll be better off without you