Who?mikejones! said:

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Mattressburn said:

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AggieT said:

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Mattressburn said:

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The ironic thing or sad thing or whatever thing. Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history in my opinion. Trump could own that if he wanted to. I think it succeeded despite him, but it would be his to own if he wanted it.

If I am speaking honestly though. Even though I know how herd immunity works and I realize there are those that literally can't be vaccinated because their body won't develop an immune response. Covid wasn't even that bad. Could've been a lot deadlier.


When something more contagious with a higher mortality count comes along. First I hope there is an easy vaccine. 2nd I hope you anti vaxxers stick to your guns.

The race of humanity will thank you for your sacrifice to the survival of the fittest. It sucks for those immunocompromised that you might infect with your ignorance literally, but we are past that. I did what I could do for them including calling out idiots who put them in danger.

Just looking at the 10,000 foot view though.

Thanks you're literally killing ignorance although you will suicide bomb a few around you. In the grand scheme of humanity I think that works out ok.

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Wow. That's your hindsight view of Covid and the vaccines?

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The leap from decades of research to mere months of development is a generational triumph that most of human history would have considered magic. It is the biological equivalent of going from the Wright Brothers to SpaceX in a single bound. We have effectively cracked the code on human response times.

It is staggering to realize that we successfully deployed a smallpox vaccine before we even had a functional germ theory to explain why it worked. That was pure survival instinct backed by observation. Before the measles vaccine existed, we were losing 2.6 million human beings every year; that is a body count higher than the entire population of Houston wiped off the planet annually.

It is a special kind of irony that the 'pro-life' movement treats this speed as a conspiracy instead of a breakthrough. If you actually valued life as a raw metric, you would be the first to celebrate the science that keeps 2.6 million children alive every year. But since your moral concern seems to vanish the moment the cord is cut, 'pro-birth' is the only honest label left for this logic. You care about the potential for life, but you are strangely indifferent to the actual survival of it once it enters the world. You're essentially standing on the shoulders of giants while complaining about the view.

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"Im hope all you anti vaxxers die"

Followed by

"Im more pro life than pro lifers"

Wow. How many boosters have you had?

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Oh, that's where you're wrong. I've never said I was pro-life. Just called those who profess that while being anti-vax, as pro-birth.

I think this is Darwin in action.

The human race will be better off without those who refuse to follow science. That I fully believe in.

I have a working immune system, so I knew I'd be fine even though I was fat and diabetic.

I don't get respiratory viruses, even when I've tried. Like with COVID. Or when I've just been inundated with it like several of the other respiratory viruses (different flu bugs) from Chi-nuh that we get every couple years.

So, I chose to remain a pure blood since I rock out with my </male chicken> out.

Did we ever get offered Cominarty instead of the experimental gene therapy?

We could have told those at risk to stay at home and just let COVID rip through the rest of the population. We would have saved a lot of time and money and probably solved the Social Security funding issue to bot.

fc2112 said:

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We could have told those at risk to stay at home and just let COVID rip through the rest of the population. We would have saved a lot of time and money and probably solved the Social Security funding issue to bot.

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The powers that be didn't want this problem solved though; they wanted control.

Looks like some on this board still see the vaccine sham as free, effective and safe….

Mattressburn said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Mattressburn said:

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AggieT said:

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Mattressburn said:

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The ironic thing or sad thing or whatever thing. Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history in my opinion. Trump could own that if he wanted to. I think it succeeded despite him, but it would be his to own if he wanted it.

If I am speaking honestly though. Even though I know how herd immunity works and I realize there are those that literally can't be vaccinated because their body won't develop an immune response. Covid wasn't even that bad. Could've been a lot deadlier.


When something more contagious with a higher mortality count comes along. First I hope there is an easy vaccine. 2nd I hope you anti vaxxers stick to your guns.

The race of humanity will thank you for your sacrifice to the survival of the fittest. It sucks for those immunocompromised that you might infect with your ignorance literally, but we are past that. I did what I could do for them including calling out idiots who put them in danger.

Just looking at the 10,000 foot view though.

Thanks you're literally killing ignorance although you will suicide bomb a few around you. In the grand scheme of humanity I think that works out ok.

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Wow. That's your hindsight view of Covid and the vaccines?

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The leap from decades of research to mere months of development is a generational triumph that most of human history would have considered magic. It is the biological equivalent of going from the Wright Brothers to SpaceX in a single bound. We have effectively cracked the code on human response times.

It is staggering to realize that we successfully deployed a smallpox vaccine before we even had a functional germ theory to explain why it worked. That was pure survival instinct backed by observation. Before the measles vaccine existed, we were losing 2.6 million human beings every year; that is a body count higher than the entire population of Houston wiped off the planet annually.

It is a special kind of irony that the 'pro-life' movement treats this speed as a conspiracy instead of a breakthrough. If you actually valued life as a raw metric, you would be the first to celebrate the science that keeps 2.6 million children alive every year. But since your moral concern seems to vanish the moment the cord is cut, 'pro-birth' is the only honest label left for this logic. You care about the potential for life, but you are strangely indifferent to the actual survival of it once it enters the world. You're essentially standing on the shoulders of giants while complaining about the view.

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"Im hope all you anti vaxxers die"

Followed by

"Im more pro life than pro lifers"

Wow. How many boosters have you had?

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Oh, that's where you're wrong. I've never said I was pro-life. Just called those who profess that while being anti-vax, as pro-birth.

I think this is Darwin in action.

The human race will be better off without those who refuse to follow science. That I fully believe in.

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I didn't call you pro life.

Sorry for the detail here, but this is what kills me about the "it's science" group…yea it is science, and God is the greatest scientist of all.

Gordo14 said:

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Vaccinated individuals had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19 (weighted hazard ratio [wHR], 0.26 [95% CI, 0.22-0.30]) and a 25% lower risk of all-cause mortality (wHR, 0.75 [95% CI, 0.75-0.76]), with a similar association observed when excluding severe COVID-19 death. Sensitivity analysis revealed that vaccinated individuals consistently had a lower risk of death, regardless of the cause.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41343214/

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305

Multiple studies in multiple countries have found:

" In this national cohort study of 28 million individuals, the results found no increased risk of 4-year all-cause mortality in individuals aged 18 to 59 years vaccinated against COVID-19, further supporting the safety of the mRNA vaccines that are widely used worldwide."

Do whatever you want to do with your life. But just because you read something on the internet doesn't mean it's true. Which is why I've included peer reviewed population sized studies.

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This is interesting. Does the data look at mortality based on age cohort? That is pretty important.

What was the mortality risk decrease for kids aged 4 to 25?

Texas12&0 said:

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Most of my friends and family got the jab. I did not. Made no sense to me to be vaccinated with something so rapidly developed. If I recall, words like "experimental" were being attached to it as it rolled out. It's a shame so many were forced to take it due to employer/government insistence.

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I always thought it was odd that someone would shame you for making a personal choice. On the flip side, I was totally about trying anything -- including ivermectin if it would help reduce deaths. Who gives a **** if it is a "horse paste" if it had any efficacy. I'm also ok with masks (n95) if you had them. Whatever helped.

The entire country has lost it's mind.

You can take medical advice from social media influencers if you want, but I will stick with following guidance from my board certified physician with 20 years of experience.

To be fair, you are unlikely to detect a statistically significant increase in cancer incidence in such a short term exposure window to a carcinogen due to the slow cumulative exposure efffect and rate at which this increases cumulative cancer risk.

The spike protein from the virus and the vaccines indicate mechanisms of functioning that suppress elements of natural immune system functions that are also understood to be a part of the natural immune system suppression of precancerous and cancerous cells. It harms you own natural cancer suppression mechanisms for at least some cancers. This will eventually lead to an increase in rates for those cancers given enough time.


If the disease snd the vacccine are both carcinogenic then minimizing exposure is a good practice. The question is then how often you naturally contract the disease versus how often you flood your system with the vaccine and how much exposure each method causes to the spike protein

Mattressburn said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Mattressburn said:

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AggieT said:

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Mattressburn said:

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The ironic thing or sad thing or whatever thing. Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history in my opinion. Trump could own that if he wanted to. I think it succeeded despite him, but it would be his to own if he wanted it.

If I am speaking honestly though. Even though I know how herd immunity works and I realize there are those that literally can't be vaccinated because their body won't develop an immune response. Covid wasn't even that bad. Could've been a lot deadlier.


When something more contagious with a higher mortality count comes along. First I hope there is an easy vaccine. 2nd I hope you anti vaxxers stick to your guns.

The race of humanity will thank you for your sacrifice to the survival of the fittest. It sucks for those immunocompromised that you might infect with your ignorance literally, but we are past that. I did what I could do for them including calling out idiots who put them in danger.

Just looking at the 10,000 foot view though.

Thanks you're literally killing ignorance although you will suicide bomb a few around you. In the grand scheme of humanity I think that works out ok.

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Wow. That's your hindsight view of Covid and the vaccines?

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The leap from decades of research to mere months of development is a generational triumph that most of human history would have considered magic. It is the biological equivalent of going from the Wright Brothers to SpaceX in a single bound. We have effectively cracked the code on human response times.

It is staggering to realize that we successfully deployed a smallpox vaccine before we even had a functional germ theory to explain why it worked. That was pure survival instinct backed by observation. Before the measles vaccine existed, we were losing 2.6 million human beings every year; that is a body count higher than the entire population of Houston wiped off the planet annually.

It is a special kind of irony that the 'pro-life' movement treats this speed as a conspiracy instead of a breakthrough. If you actually valued life as a raw metric, you would be the first to celebrate the science that keeps 2.6 million children alive every year. But since your moral concern seems to vanish the moment the cord is cut, 'pro-birth' is the only honest label left for this logic. You care about the potential for life, but you are strangely indifferent to the actual survival of it once it enters the world. You're essentially standing on the shoulders of giants while complaining about the view.

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"Im hope all you anti vaxxers die"

Followed by

"Im more pro life than pro lifers"

Wow. How many boosters have you had?

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Oh, that's where you're wrong. I've never said I was pro-life. Just called those who profess that while being anti-vax, as pro-birth.

I think this is Darwin in action.

The human race will be better off without those who refuse to follow science. That I fully believe in.

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Gordo14 said:

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Vaccinated individuals had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19 (weighted hazard ratio [wHR], 0.26 [95% CI, 0.22-0.30]) and a 25% lower risk of all-cause mortality (wHR, 0.75 [95% CI, 0.75-0.76]), with a similar association observed when excluding severe COVID-19 death. Sensitivity analysis revealed that vaccinated individuals consistently had a lower risk of death, regardless of the cause.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41343214/

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305

Multiple studies in multiple countries have found:

" In this national cohort study of 28 million individuals, the results found no increased risk of 4-year all-cause mortality in individuals aged 18 to 59 years vaccinated against COVID-19, further supporting the safety of the mRNA vaccines that are widely used worldwide."

Do whatever you want to do with your life. But just because you read something on the internet doesn't mean it's true. Which is why I've included peer reviewed population sized studies.

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So let make make sure I understand your post....

The same government - France - that forced the vax and lockdowns and a health pass, does a study and that study concludes that there is no increased mortality from a vax they forced upon their citizens.

bwaaaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha



The fact is there has been an increase in cancer mortality in the US, just like Ethical Skeptical has observed. So we have 3 options: 1) the French study is flawed, 2) there is some unexplained difference between the French population and/or HC system versus the US or 3) the US excess cancel signal has a different cause


Since the French are raging libs, I'd go with option 1 as most likely.

jimmo said:

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Pretty sure I'm correct on early 2020 for my wife. She is in healthcare, as was I.
So, it may coincide w/ what others were saying re: vax being open to public vs people in healthcare.
(and my memory is suspect as well lol)

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definitely it was the spring of 2021 when most american companies were requiring vaccinations.

I got covid in December 2019.

returned to USA August 2020

vaccinations in Baltimore February/March 2021

Mattressburn said:

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AggieT said:

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Mattressburn said:

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The ironic thing or sad thing or whatever thing. Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history in my opinion. Trump could own that if he wanted to. I think it succeeded despite him, but it would be his to own if he wanted it.

If I am speaking honestly though. Even though I know how herd immunity works and I realize there are those that literally can't be vaccinated because their body won't develop an immune response. Covid wasn't even that bad. Could've been a lot deadlier.


When something more contagious with a higher mortality count comes along. First I hope there is an easy vaccine. 2nd I hope you anti vaxxers stick to your guns.

The race of humanity will thank you for your sacrifice to the survival of the fittest. It sucks for those immunocompromised that you might infect with your ignorance literally, but we are past that. I did what I could do for them including calling out idiots who put them in danger.

Just looking at the 10,000 foot view though.

Thanks you're literally killing ignorance although you will suicide bomb a few around you. In the grand scheme of humanity I think that works out ok.

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Wow. That's your hindsight view of Covid and the vaccines?

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The leap from decades of research to mere months of development is a generational triumph that most of human history would have considered magic. It is the biological equivalent of going from the Wright Brothers to SpaceX in a single bound. We have effectively cracked the code on human response times.

It is staggering to realize that we successfully deployed a smallpox vaccine before we even had a functional germ theory to explain why it worked. That was pure survival instinct backed by observation. Before the measles vaccine existed, we were losing 2.6 million human beings every year; that is a body count higher than the entire population of Houston wiped off the planet annually.

It is a special kind of irony that the 'pro-life' movement treats this speed as a conspiracy instead of a breakthrough. If you actually valued life as a raw metric, you would be the first to celebrate the science that keeps 2.6 million children alive every year. But since your moral concern seems to vanish the moment the cord is cut, 'pro-birth' is the only honest label left for this logic. You care about the potential for life, but you are strangely indifferent to the actual survival of it once it enters the world. You're essentially standing on the shoulders of giants while complaining about the view.

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If you want to take this crap, eat fake meat, etc... Do it, just don't force that stuff on everyone else.

Found my vaccination record - I got the first 2 Pfizer jabs in April 2021

Mattressburn said:

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The ironic thing or sad thing or whatever thing. Operation Warp Speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history in my opinion. Trump could own that if he wanted to. I think it succeeded despite him, but it would be his to own if he wanted it.

If I am speaking honestly though. Even though I know how herd immunity works and I realize there are those that literally can't be vaccinated because their body won't develop an immune response. Covid wasn't even that bad. Could've been a lot deadlier.


When something more contagious with a higher mortality count comes along. First I hope there is an easy vaccine. 2nd I hope you anti vaxxers stick to your guns.

The race of humanity will thank you for your sacrifice to the survival of the fittest. It sucks for those immunocompromised that you might infect with your ignorance literally, but we are past that. I did what I could do for them including calling out idiots who put them in danger.

Just looking at the 10,000 foot view though.

Thanks you're literally killing ignorance although you will suicide bomb a few around you. In the grand scheme of humanity I think that works out ok.

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What is really ironic is that you believe the COVID vax provided herd immunity and are arguing in favor of a future virus eliminating those who refuse to vax up since they would be killing immunocompromised people.

The vax did not provide herd immunity. That is well established fact now. The vax did not prevent infection or transmission. FACT! It mitigated the severity of symptoms for those who contracted the virus, that's all and even the ability for it to do that fell off very quickly over time.

But sure, you know and trust the science. /hard eye roll

Agreed!

See, being able to "know" or "read" "the science" used to be soooo much easier. Basically, prior to about 2000, as long as it was a peer reviewed journal or study, and the reader could think critically, there was nearly a 100% chance it was good science, or at least science that would enlighten you.

Fortunately, I have 40 year connections and friendships with two men I went to A&M with who just retired and I can count on.

However, if one wants to educate, or even be aware of, genuine stats and the science thereof, you first have to verify that that particular study is legit, then there are about 3-4 other steps to feel comfortable before you discuss this with your doctor.

Like I said earlier, I have no problem being wrong (except for my pride and vanity), I just want to know what's correct.

AgGrad99 said:

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'Vaccinated individuals had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19'

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So like 0.01% risk of death decreased down to 0.0026%?

lol! You think that's how collectivism works?

Thunderstruck xx said:

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AgGrad99 said:

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'Vaccinated individuals had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19'

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So like 0.01% risk of death decreased down to 0.0026%?

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Right.

And how do they determine 'severe' covid? Is there a chart that shows how much coughing , or what temp...or what amount of nose blowing crosses into 'severe' covid? Does every stat use the same metrics?

• They claimed from the beginning, if you got the shot you wouldn't get Covid. Yet, we all know people who have received the shot and gotten Covid many times after. There are as many studies saying natural immunity is more effective, as there are saying the shots are.
• Then, when everyone who got the shot also contracted covid, they changed the message to....'well, it will help it not be as severe'.
• Now we have stats about how much the shot(s) helped 'severe' covid patients not die? I thought it was supposed to prevent the patient from it becoming severe?

How many times do the goal posts have to move, before people question the claims?

And besides the changing message, I don't know how that's possibly a measurable stat. Unless the same patient both got the shot, and didn't get the shot you have no control and zero comparison. How do you know how a person would have reacted without the shot, compared to with the shot? And there is zero chance all the shots from the various manufacturers acted exactly the same. It's a bogus, unmeasurable stat.

But those numbers are used as a reference and as an input for other stats...which leads anyone with critical thinking skills to question their research.

Easy

If you survived it..... Just COVID

If you died, or had an issue related to an already known health issue..... THUPER THEREAL COVID!!!1