Looks like TSA back to work?

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jh0400 said:

Both sides are absolutely in the wrong here. I have no issue with funding ICE, but the idea that some public reforms may be necessary, if for nothing other than optics, is reasonable given the unfortunate events that led to the deaths of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil during interactions with federal law enforcement. For almost anyone outside of the far right, that is not something we should be comfortable with.

On TSA specifically, the government has mandated these security checks, and everyone who flies in the U.S. pays a fee on their tickets to fund them. The government did not stop collecting those fees during the shutdown. It only chose to withhold the payroll funding those fees were intended to support, while still expecting employees to show up to work.

When a $40,000 per year government employee does not have the financial cushion to absorb missing multiple paychecks and is forced to drive for Uber or DoorDash just to cover basic expenses, the system breaks down. The result is four hour security lines at one of the nation's busiest airports while both sides point fingers at each other.

If we are explicitly charging travelers for the cost of TSA, then the workers should be paid to deliver the service that the government has already collected fees for.

FTR, one of the reasonable reforms was already agreed to by Trump without having to mandate it - body cameras.

Some of the other reforms the Dems want were not reasonable because they essentially handcuff the country from being able to enforce immigration which is what the Democrats actually want.

Bottom line: the Democrats are way more in the wrong here from the get-go by hijacking this in order to defund immigration enforcement.

The debate right now is how long do you want to play chicken with the Democrats with the fiscal year ending in September and mid-terms happening 5 weeks later. The Senate R's clearly didn't want to based on yesterday. There was nothing given to Democrats in that legislation except body cameras which were already agreed to and being implemented by Trump admin ahead of this legislation. However, that legislation was stopgap funding that is only through September anyway.

So, did the R's give up leverage by doing that yesterday vs fighting this out up to and beyond fiscal year end heading into mid-terms? That's the debate now.
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jh0400 said:

Both sides are absolutely in the wrong here. I have no issue with funding ICE, but the idea that some public reforms may be necessary, if for nothing other than optics, is reasonable given the unfortunate events that led to the deaths of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil during interactions with federal law enforcement. For almost anyone outside of the far right, that is not something we should be comfortable with.

On TSA specifically, the government has mandated these security checks, and everyone who flies in the U.S. pays a fee on their tickets to fund them. The government did not stop collecting those fees during the shutdown. It only chose to withhold the payroll funding those fees were intended to support, while still expecting employees to show up to work.

When a $40,000 per year government employee does not have the financial cushion to absorb missing multiple paychecks and is forced to drive for Uber or DoorDash just to cover basic expenses, the system breaks down. The result is four hour security lines at one of the nation's busiest airports while both sides point fingers at each other.

If we are explicitly charging travelers for the cost of TSA, then the workers should be paid to deliver the service that the government has already collected fees for.


All of these violent interactions were completely avoidable by the people they happened to. When ICE has effectively a paid opposition and wants to doxx agents for doing their job, I find it hard to take these "reforms" seriously.

100% agree with your point about paying TSA agents though as the fees are collected so no reason they should be impacted like they are.
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The doxxing argument was pretty flimsy to start with and then got weaker when trump decided they wouldn't wear masks in the airport.
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Are they being actively assaulted by rioters at the airport the way they were constantly in Minneapolis?
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ktownag08 said:


All of these violent interactions were completely avoidable by the people they happened to. When ICE has effectively a paid opposition and wants to doxx agents for doing their job, I find it hard to take these "reforms" seriously.


Avoidable or not, they happened. I don't disagree with the intent to enforce our immigration laws, but the way this has been handled all the way back to Kristi Noem's ad campaign has been completely amateur from a public perception standpoint. I believe it was all well intended, but the execution has been awful. There is a vocal portion of the populace who thinks that ICE is the modern-day gestapo, and there has been little done in the court of public opinion to dispel that. Rather than keep the focus on removing the violent criminals who are here illegally, the right let the narrative shift to violent removal (doesn't matter if it's true or not if people believe it) of nonviolent individuals whose only crime was entering the US illegally in search of a better life.
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jh0400 said:

ktownag08 said:


All of these violent interactions were completely avoidable by the people they happened to. When ICE has effectively a paid opposition and wants to doxx agents for doing their job, I find it hard to take these "reforms" seriously.


Avoidable or not, they happened. I don't disagree with the intent to enforce our immigration laws, but the way this has been handled all the way back to Kristi Noem's ad campaign has been completely amateur from a public perception standpoint. I believe it was all well intended, but the execution has been awful. There is a vocal portion of the populace who thinks that ICE is the modern-day gestapo, and there has been little done in the court of public opinion to dispel that. Rather than keep the focus on removing the violent criminals who are here illegally, the right let the narrative shift to violent removal (doesn't matter if it's true or not if people believe it) of nonviolent individuals whose only crime was entering the US illegally in search of a better life.

Because you can't.

There is always going to be a vocal part of the Democrats that are against anything and everything proposed, implemented, discussed by the sane portion of the population. Remember...a large percentage of the Democrats are now openly and proudly Marxist.

There is no common sense, logic, debate, or compromise with them because they can't / won't accept reality.
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Did you miss the primary ads the Republicans ran where almost all candidates ran on how much of Trump puppet they are? Neither side is immune to the most extreme members of the party shouting the loudest and driving the narrative.
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jh0400 said:

Did you miss the primary ads the Republicans ran where almost all candidates ran on how much of Trump puppet they are? Neither side is immune to the most extreme members of the party shouting the loudest and driving the narrative.

Saw them and get the annoying texts.

This is irrelevant and not comparable to the Democrats who are now Marxists and want to destroy the country.

Your example does not qualify as a "both sides" argument.
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There is a vocal group of populace that thinks being fat is healthy, there are others that think college loans should be paid by the government, that rich don't pay taxes and a million other myths. You can't fix stupid with TV ads.
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HoustonAggie11 said:

Bayou City said:

Umm that's Why were where we are now…That's the problem not the solution. SAVE will never pass wo changing filibuster. Anyone that can't see that is a dumbass.

R's doing their best work to give the Dems full control of congress.

Honestly, between Iran and inflation and Now This u Forced error….makes me think twice about voting R in November. Probs won't vote at all but that's still a vote they're losing that they never had to work to get.


Un****ingbelievable how fast this congress **** the bed.

Republicans get nothing done when they have control. Hate the Ds all you want but they don't **** their own ass every chance they get.

that will show em don't vote for GOP let the Dems wreak havoc on the USA like they did under Biden.


Sounds increasingly likely the dems will win as republicans cave and vote to fund dhs only. Bayou City can still vote (R)!!!
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Or Trump paid the TSA workers and deployed ICE to provide humanitarian aid to airports. Having taken away the Dems bargaining chip, there is little reason to keep going.

Problem for the GOP is much more of a coherent messaging one. We continue to not step on but instead curb stomp tap dance with metal spikes our tallywackers.
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EFR said:

The doxxing argument was pretty flimsy to start with and then got weaker when trump decided they wouldn't wear masks in the airport.

Oh really?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/photos-anti-ice-agitators-doxx-agents-sending-warning-postcards-neighbors

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/federal-prosecutors-charge-3-activists-with-doxing-of-ice-agent-in-los-angeles

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/10/09/dhs-condemns-dangerous-doxxing-and-escalating-threats-against-federal-law




if you knew what you were talking about, you'd know which ICE agents are in the field, masked, and why vs. which are doing airport duty. Potential undercover HSI ICE agents should never be in a position to be recognized and doxxed when on duty.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
 
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