CDUB98 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Old McDonald said:

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buckle up for another ride on the trump rollercoaster:

1. he said it but he didn't mean it <- you are here
2. he meant it but he was exaggerating
3. he wasn't exaggerating but now i think it's good
4. it's bad but at least he's not a democrat

maga never learns

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No, it's [censored] like you who still haven't learned to ignore anything Trump says and watch what he does that never learn.

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No, I'm not, because I'm nowhere there. I'm ignoring him, like always. I wait to see what happens. He's a blustering buffoon. It's worthless to listen to the empty can.

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Sometimes that isn't the best approach.

Just ask these guys:

TXAggie2011 said:

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Threatening genocide is generally considered a violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention, to which the United States is a party.

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I'm going to need a citation for that with analysis to primary sources, not reliance on CNN paid experts.

BusterAg said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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Threatening genocide is generally considered a violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention, to which the United States is a party.

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I'm going to need a citation for that with analysis to primary sources, not reliance on CNN paid experts.

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https://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-1&chapter=4#EndDec

Literally every US president since Roosevelt has threatened genocide.

It's a dumb talking point from the leftists.

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akm91 said:

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Looks like new talking points have been distributed to be parrotted.

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I remember when a president saying he was going to wipe an entire civilization off the map didn't need "talking points", we simply all agreed that's psychotic and insane.

But, we've got ourselves a cult, what can ya do?

They've successfully moved the overton window so that anything is defensible.

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You lack any real historical perspective don't you:

Thomas Jefferson: "If ever we are constrained to lift the hatchet against any tribe, we will never lay it down till that tribe is exterminated, or driven beyond the Mississippi… in war, they will kill some of us; we shall destroy them all."

Theodore Roosevelt: "I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."

Franklin D. Roosevelt: "We have got to be tough with Germany and I mean the German people not just the Nazis. We either have to castrate the German people or you have to treat them in such a manner so they can't go on reproducing."

Harry S. Truman: "If they do not now accept our terms they may expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth."...this was after dropping the atomic bomb.

Morbo the Annihilator said:

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ETFan said:

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akm91 said:

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Looks like new talking points have been distributed to be parrotted.

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I remember when a president saying he was going to wipe an entire civilization off the map didn't need "talking points", we simply all agreed that's psychotic and insane.

But, we've got ourselves a cult, what can ya do?

They've successfully moved the overton window so that anything is defensible.

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I guess your recollections aren't all that relevant since you're too young to remember MAD.

It was ALL ABOUT wiping civilizations off the map.

I got under my desk at school as a small child on a regular basis because a Soviet Premier said he'd "Bury" us.

Historically ignorant children who bandy about terms like "cult" and "psychotic" should listen more and speak less.

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MAD does not apply here whatsoever. Iran literally is incapable of striking the US homeland with anything, much less a nuke. Furthermore, even if they could hit us and had a nuke, MAD still would not apply because one nuke vs the US thousands does not equal MAD. The Soviet Union was an entirely different thing.

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TXAggie2011 said:

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Threatening genocide is generally considered a violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention, to which the United States is a party.

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I'm going to need a citation for that with analysis to primary sources, not reliance on CNN paid experts.

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It'd be iffy even if it was clearly and directly established as such. It is clearly a threat to end the Mullahs and the Shia Islam regime which is not a civilization. He is not for elimination of the Persian civilization. Hell, the Pentagon has had to come out and say nukes aren't being used due to the TDS overreacting and failing to interpret the message being sent

Morbo the Annihilator said:

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Literally every US president since Roosevelt has threatened genocide.

It's a dumb talking point from the leftists.

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Absolutely not true. Bizarre statement

Keyno said:

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Morbo the Annihilator said:

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ETFan said:

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akm91 said:

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Looks like new talking points have been distributed to be parrotted.

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I remember when a president saying he was going to wipe an entire civilization off the map didn't need "talking points", we simply all agreed that's psychotic and insane.

But, we've got ourselves a cult, what can ya do?

They've successfully moved the overton window so that anything is defensible.

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I guess your recollections aren't all that relevant since you're too young to remember MAD.

It was ALL ABOUT wiping civilizations off the map.

I got under my desk at school as a small child on a regular basis because a Soviet Premier said he'd "Bury" us.

Historically ignorant children who bandy about terms like "cult" and "psychotic" should listen more and speak less.

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MAD does not apply here whatsoever. Iran literally is incapable of striking the US homeland with anything, much less a nuke. Furthermore, even if they could hit us and had a nuke, MAD still would not apply because one nuke vs the US hundreds does not equal MAD. The Soviet Union was an entirely different thing.

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You said that threatening to wipe a civilization off the map was psychotic and insane. Your words. That's been the status quo since the late 1940's, whether you admit it or not. We know that leftists don't deal in reality.

Oh, and your buddies the Mullahs (or what's left of them) were actively developing a nuke and in fact lied about the range of the rockets as we saw first hand. Finally, do you have any idea what just one nuke on a boat detonated in the Houston ship channel would do to this country and the world?

Keyno said:

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Morbo the Annihilator said:

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Literally every US president since Roosevelt has threatened genocide.

It's a dumb talking point from the leftists.

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Absolutely not true. Bizarre statement

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This will be my third time to ask you, but is threatening genocide a war crime?

Morbo the Annihilator said:

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Keyno said:

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Morbo the Annihilator said:

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ETFan said:

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akm91 said:

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Looks like new talking points have been distributed to be parrotted.

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I remember when a president saying he was going to wipe an entire civilization off the map didn't need "talking points", we simply all agreed that's psychotic and insane.

But, we've got ourselves a cult, what can ya do?

They've successfully moved the overton window so that anything is defensible.

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I guess your recollections aren't all that relevant since you're too young to remember MAD.

It was ALL ABOUT wiping civilizations off the map.

I got under my desk at school as a small child on a regular basis because a Soviet Premier said he'd "Bury" us.

Historically ignorant children who bandy about terms like "cult" and "psychotic" should listen more and speak less.

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MAD does not apply here whatsoever. Iran literally is incapable of striking the US homeland with anything, much less a nuke. Furthermore, even if they could hit us and had a nuke, MAD still would not apply because one nuke vs the US hundreds does not equal MAD. The Soviet Union was an entirely different thing.

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You said that threatening to wipe a civilization off the map was psychotic and insane. Your words. That's been the status quo since the late 1940's, whether you admit it or not. We know that leftists don't deal in reality.

Oh, and your buddies the Mullahs (or what's left of them) were actively developing a nuke and in fact lied about the range of the rockets as we saw first hand. Finally, do you have any idea what just one nuke on a boat detonated in the Houston ship channel would do to this country and the world?

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Yes I did say that and stand by it. And no, it has not been the status quo since the 1940's. I am not familiar with any US President since WW2 who has ever threatened genocide. If you can cite one, I am happy to be corrected.

Edit: I guess you could probably make the case for Andrew Jackson regarding the Indians

Trump's Board of Peace will have this sorted out in short order . Nothing to worry about.

Old McDonald said:

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buckle up for another ride on the trump rollercoaster:

1. he said it but he didn't mean it
2. he meant it but he was exaggerating
3. he wasn't exaggerating but now i think it's good
4. it's bad but at least he's not a democrat

maga never learns

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This is genius.

The man wrote "Art of the Deal," and every person with a brain knows he uses very public information in negotiation. He does it every single time and will continue to. This is not a mystery, except to the willfully obtuse.

Keep banging the pots. We know there is not a single thing he can do or not do that you won't complain about.

Try putting America first for a change.

Would it be ok if Trump just said "DON'T"!!!!

Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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Civilizations are not people. Civilizations are culture. Destroying the 12th Imam death cult and allowing the people to build a new culture is not a war crime.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Old McDonald said:

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buckle up for another ride on the trump rollercoaster:

1. he said it but he didn't mean it
2. he meant it but he was exaggerating
3. he wasn't exaggerating but now i think it's good
4. it's bad but at least he's not a democrat

maga never learns

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This is genius.

The man wrote "Art of the Deal," and every person with a brain knows he uses very public information in negotiation. He does it every single time and will continue to. This is not a mystery, except to the willfully obtuse.

Keep banging the pots. We know there is not a single thing he can do or not do that you won't complain about.

Try putting America first for a change.

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He does put America first! First for everybody else

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Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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Civilizations are not people. Civilizations are culture. Destroying the 12th Imam death cult and allowing the people to build a new culture is not a war crime.

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Restoring Persian culture won't need to be building a new one

TXAggie2011 said:

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BusterAg said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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Threatening genocide is generally considered a violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention, to which the United States is a party.

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I'm going to need a citation for that with analysis to primary sources, not reliance on CNN paid experts.

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https://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-1&chapter=4#EndDec

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Thanks.

Now where is your analysis that cites to primary sources to the point that you are trying to make.

Here, I have some refutation for you somewhere in here: https://www.wikipedia.org/

You can find the evidence in there that supports my position for yourself.

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Trump did that? At least since obama have american presidents' threats and red lines been routinely ignored. I remember the gas and I remember Biden saying "dont."

The real issue is that we have a very squishy percentage of our population that will probably never allow us to politically win another war.

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Pretty much. Sure, others have weakened the power of the office but he deserves the vast majority of the responsibility because of the volume and intensity of his daily communication and his inability to work through traditional channels. I totally agree with your view that our population, who the executive supposedly works for, has no interest in another foreign adventure with Iraq and the Global War on Terror still in recent memory.

Teddy Roosevelt said "Talk softly and carry a big stick" and we have the exact opposite now. Trump's defacto stance is combative and aggressive when everyone know he can't back up his words.

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Lol. Tell that to Ukraine. Or those poor souls gassed in Syria beyond obamas red lines.


Further, trump is speaking loudly and carrying a big stick. See: Maduro, the Ayatollah, cuba, the Iranian guy from his first term, among others.

Im not simply speaking of another iraq/Afghanistan. Im speaking of any conflict, whatsoever. Americans simply do not have the will to engage in anything beyond a week. We're too short sighted. Yes, we have the largest, most powerful military ever assembled but it means nothing without the will to use it.

Might as well shrink it to miniscule levels to better reflect the American people, amirite?

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MAD does not apply here whatsoever. Iran literally is incapable of striking the US homeland with anything, much less a nuke.

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Well, thank God for that. Maybe we should do some things to make sure that this never happens? You agree?

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The level of irrational thought from the left is mind boggling.

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Is it more or less mind-boggling than seeing cultists, who were chanting "no new wars" during campaign season, now cheer on statements like "a whole civilization is going to die tonight?" All in defense of a yankee born on third base who couldn't care less about anybody in the world but himself.

Morbo the Annihilator said:

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Literally every US president since Roosevelt has threatened genocide.

It's a dumb talking point from the leftists.

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They have smart ones?

BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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MAD does not apply here whatsoever. Iran literally is incapable of striking the US homeland with anything, much less a nuke.

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Well, thank God for that. Maybe we should do some things to make sure that this never happens? You agree?

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Define some things. Do I agree that "An entire civilization" has to die to prevent some theoretical threat they may some day pose? Uh no not really.

Rapier108 said:

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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According to the Google machine, your assessment is incorrect:

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• International Humanitarian Law (IHL): The 1949 Geneva Conventions and their additional protocols prohibit attacking objects necessary for civilian survival, such as water installations, food supplies, and power plants.
• Targeting Infrastructure: While infrastructure used by the military ("dual-use" objects) can sometimes be targeted, attacking electricity grids, bridges, or energy sites solely to damage the civilian population's quality of life or to force a population to move is illegal.

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Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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Is "Death to America" a genocidal threat?

Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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MAD does not apply here whatsoever. Iran literally is incapable of striking the US homeland with anything, much less a nuke.

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Well, thank God for that. Maybe we should do some things to make sure that this never happens? You agree?

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Define some things. Do I agree that "An entire civilization" has to die to prevent some theoretical threat they may some day pose? Uh no not really.

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Not even a civilization that's entire ethos is built around American genocide?

Iran wants to eliminate America from existence. That is genocide. We should just let them?

BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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Is "Death to America" a genocidal threat?

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Look up what that phrase actually means to Iranians.

Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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Is "Death to America" a genocidal threat?

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Look up what that phrase actually means to Iranians.

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Lolololol

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Ragoo said:

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The level of irrational thought from the left is mind boggling.

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Is it more or less mind-boggling than seeing cultists, who were chanting "no new wars" during campaign season, now cheer on statements like "a whole civilization is going to die tonight?" All in defense of a yankee born on third base who couldn't care less about anybody in the world but himself.

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just so I understand - you were/are ok with Iran as a status quo regime? Just trying to understand which side you support here.

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Keyno said:

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BusterAg said:

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MAD does not apply here whatsoever. Iran literally is incapable of striking the US homeland with anything, much less a nuke.

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Well, thank God for that. Maybe we should do some things to make sure that this never happens? You agree?

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Define some things. Do I agree that "An entire civilization" has to die to prevent some theoretical threat they may some day pose? Uh no not really.

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Not even a civilization that's entire ethos is built around American genocide?

Iran wants to eliminate America from existence. That is genocide. We should just let them?

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Incorrect, although they probably will if we decide their civilization will die tonight.

1864: First Geneva Convention (not an original signatory; ratified by the US in 1882). Primarily dealt with care for wounded combatants and protection for medical providers in the field.

1899: First Hague Conference (signatory, ratified). Further addressed customs of war and the use of certain weapons (poison gas, jacketless bullets, balloon attacks).

1906: Second Geneva Convention (signatory, ratified). More protections for wounded soldiers.

1907: Second Hague Convention (signatory, ratified). Addressed customs of war, naval warfare, etc. Rules against how you could treat civilians in occupied territories (i.e., no pillaging, no conscription of enemy civilians, etc.). Martens Clause helped cover any gaps. Increased focus on naval warfare.

1914-1918: World War 1. Ugly war featuring widespread chemical weapons use and poor treatment of POWs.

1929: Third Geneva Convention (signatory, ratified). Revised rules for the wounded and sick; introduced the first dedicated convention on the treatment of POWs.

1939-1945: World War 2. Total war with little adherence to the rules of war fighting, treatment of POWs, etc. Devastating attacks on civilian populations and infrastructure.

1945: The London Charter. Defines "crimes against humanity" for the purpose of prosecuting Germany retroactively for how it treated the civilian populations of Europe.

1946: The Tokyo Charter. Copied the London Charter for the purpose of prosecuting Japan for what it did to civilian populations in China and the Pacific.

1949: Fourth Geneva Convention (signatory, ratified). Comprehensive post-WW2 update that included protections for civilians for the first time. The London and Tokyo Charters played a role in the development of the convention's terms. The main difference was that the Geneva Convention would punish in the future, while the London and Tokyo charters were retroactive.

1977: Protocols 1 and 2 (signatory, not ratified). More protections for civilians and rules about proportionality in international warfare.

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I only point this out because the timeline is significant. Germany and Japan were tried for violations of 1907 Hague and 1929 Geneva, as well as the 1945 & 46 charters that were specifically keyed to their actions. 1949 Geneva was a direct reaction to what happened in WW2, and it was the first time the world enumerated protections for civilians once in enemy hands.

However, because the US and UK had used aerial warfare bombardment themselves, it was intentionally silent on how warfare would be handled in the future because we didn't want to criminalize or restrict ourselves. Those limitations all showed up in 1977. We've adopted most of them internally as part of how we conduct war, but we deliberately didn't ratify them to maintain maximum flexibility.

It's like people don't understand hyperbole.


Hitler threatened genocide, Trump used mean words.

Yuge difference.

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Man, we are going to have to hop in the way back machine to see when we first started committing "War Crimes"! WWII is chock full of them!

This is one of the lamest arguments I can think of in regard to a military operation.

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The 1949 Geneva Conventions and their additional protocols prohibit attacking objects necessary for civilian survival, such as water installations, food supplies, and power plants.

I guess those that signed off on the Geneva Conventions decided what happened in WWII was unacceptable and shouldn't happen again...

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Keyno said:

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Keyno said:

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Rapier108 said:

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"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

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"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

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Is "Death to America" a genocidal threat?

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Look up what that phrase actually means to Iranians.

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Lolololol

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That must have been pinned on BlueSky today.

No, no folks, when Iranians chant Death to America it's a call for peace! Please ignore the terroristic attacks on the US and its interest over the past 47 years.

As proof, offer a poem by the Gay Ayatollah titled "Mostly Peaceful Nukes Means Love" and other poems in the collection "Death to America - An Ode to Isolationism".