It's very difficult to safeguard against an employee who is willing to ruin their life in order to cause damage to the business.

I'm just thankful that no lives were lost in such a massive fire.

The finger-pointing over who is responsible for the insurance will take years to litigate. Read something like $500mm in destroyed inventory alone.

Whatever the long term settlements are, the market hardly blinked over this. Their stock price dipped a bit on Tuesday but is now back up above where it was before the fire. Guessing there will be discussions around tax write-offs for the destroyed inventory. The building itself was likely leased and fairly cheap tilt-wall construction or similar. Scrape the lot, rinse and repeat.

Maybe stop letting illegals run rampant is a good place to start. They're already criminals.

This is not going to help California's insurance woes at all. Dummies.

Waffledynamics said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/kimberly-clark-fire-suspect-said-110046505.html

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"All you had to do was pay us enough to ****ing live."

That line came from a video now circulating across every platform, allegedly filmed by 29-year-old Chamel Abdulkarim as he lit packages of toilet paper on fire inside a Kimberly-Clark distribution center in Ontario, California, early Tuesday morning. By the time the sun came up, 1.2 million square feet of Kleenex, Huggies, and Cottonelle was gone. The roof had collapsed. A hundred and seventy-five firefighters had been pushed into a defensive retreat because the blaze moved too fast to fight from inside. Six alarms. Eight hours. Total loss.

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Yeah, so now you've put a bunch of people out of work because you're mad. What about their livelihoods, Chamel?

Oh, but wait, it gets even dumber.

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Abdulkarim does not even work for Kimberly-Clark. He works for NFI Industries, a third-party logistics contractor that runs the warehouse on Kimberly-Clark's behalf.

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What a selfish loser.

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Well, at least he won't have to worry about the cost of living for the ten years or so he'll be getting free room and board at taxpayer expense. Assuming that arson is still illegal in California.

Diversity is their strenf.

panhandlefarmer said:

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Ontario man…

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Abdulkarim



#peaceandlove

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Who?mikejones! said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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I wonder what happened to the building fire suppression sprinkler system? Sure seems like that would have stopped it before it got that big.

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Seems like it'd end in a loss either way seeing as how paper reacts poorly to both water and fire

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Not really how it works.

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Im aware. Just making a joke

They average between 800,000 sq ft and 1.5 million. Yes to your last question.

Gotcha! Thanks for the response. Which types of fire suppression is most commonly used?

TBH I don't know, I'm not very involved with that side of the business. I do have some dealings with KC and I can tell you that behind the scenes they are scrambling right now.

aggiehawg said:

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Gotcha! Thanks for the response. Which types of fire suppression is most commonly used?

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Water based systems are far and away the most common. Chemical based systems are used only in specific instances or applications because they are expensive to install and expensive to restore once used. Plus a lot of the chemical systems aren't exactly environmentally friendly.

1. Is Kimberly Clark feeling all that cultural enrichment?

2. It is California. He'll probably get probation.

schmellba99 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Gotcha! Thanks for the response. Which types of fire suppression is most commonly used?

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Water based systems are far and away the most common. Chemical based systems are used only in specific instances or applications because they are expensive to install and expensive to restore once used. Plus a lot of the chemical systems aren't exactly environmentally friendly.

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Thanks. I'm aware. When we lived in Austin a Home Depot near us caught on fire. Just think about the fire load and number of flammable, noxious fume items in a Home Depot. Solvents, paints, spray cans, lumber and so forth. AFD quickly decided not to go in and just it burn (and have explosions as cans cooked off) for the firefighter's safety. Also it was tilt wall construction which is not good in a big fire.
Water suppression alone did squat under those conditions.

Re: insurance

KC will be made whole in one for or another. Unless this person was a board level employee it is most likely fully covered.

The real question will be if the employees company can be subrogated against.

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Im assuming all the Democrats on here will contribute to his GoFundMe
Remember ...Diversity is our strength.

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Opressor-opressed narratives activated. They'll white knight harder if he's cute like that Mangione kid.

schmellba99 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Gotcha! Thanks for the response. Which types of fire suppression is most commonly used?

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Water based systems are far and away the most common. Chemical based systems are used only in specific instances or applications because they are expensive to install and expensive to restore once used. Plus a lot of the chemical systems aren't exactly environmentally friendly.

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Toilet paper is a Class A fire, so can be put out by water (if you don't mind the mess that wet toilet paper creates).

If you can't use water, your best bet is monoammonium phosphate, a multi-purpose dry chemical fire extinguisher.

Mostly peaceful arson.

RIP to the wasted trees

Emotional Support Cobra said:

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RIP to the wasted trees

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Um...I can't complain.

Sid Farkas said:

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deddog said:

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Im assuming all the Democrats on here will contribute to his GoFundMe
Remember ...Diversity is our strength.

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Opressor-opressed narratives activated. They'll white knight harder if he's cute like that Mangione kid.

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Speaking of Luigi Mangione, a lot of people on the left thought the murder of Brian Thompson would be the catalyst for direct action/open season on the c-suite but I think workplace vandalism/sabotage/arson has a much higher likelihood of taking root.

And now he just put all those people out of work. What a truly selfish, idiotic turd. Brainwashed that he "deserved" more than he earns.

Wonder who put that idea in his feeble head?

Burrus86 said:

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No Kleenex now available to wipe away the tears of the transgender females also losing their tampon supply! A double whammy!

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Hopefully Sleepy Joe had already stocked up on Depends.

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Was their inventory wiped out?

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Huge paper loss.

Rubicante said:

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It's very difficult to safeguard against an employee who is willing to ruin their life in order to cause damage to the business.

I'm just thankful that no lives were lost in such a massive fire.

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For now.

Robots won't purposefully burn your business down.

Waffledynamics said:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/kimberly-clark-fire-suspect-said-110046505.html

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"All you had to do was pay us enough to ****ing live."

That line came from a video now circulating across every platform, allegedly filmed by 29-year-old Chamel Abdulkarim as he lit packages of toilet paper on fire inside a Kimberly-Clark distribution center in Ontario, California, early Tuesday morning. By the time the sun came up, 1.2 million square feet of Kleenex, Huggies, and Cottonelle was gone. The roof had collapsed. A hundred and seventy-five firefighters had been pushed into a defensive retreat because the blaze moved too fast to fight from inside. Six alarms. Eight hours. Total loss.

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Yeah, so now you've put a bunch of people out of work because you're mad. What about their livelihoods, Chamel?

Oh, but wait, it gets even dumber.

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Abdulkarim does not even work for Kimberly-Clark. He works for NFI Industries, a third-party logistics contractor that runs the warehouse on Kimberly-Clark's behalf.

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What a selfish loser.

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They're hiring: https://careers.nfiindustries.com/careers-home/jobs/27200?lang=en-us

We are excited to share the base hourly rate for this position is $22.39/HOUR

Surprisingly low pay for CA

Minimum wage is $16.90/Living Wage is $27.60 for the area, allegedly:

https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/06071

Better stock up.

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Ag87H2O said:

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I wonder what happened to the building fire suppression sprinkler system? Sure seems like that would have stopped it before it got that big.

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Okay just talked with The Hubs. He speculated it would not be a a dry chem system since chances of a water suppression system being frozen during winter would be very low being in CA.

So what would hinder a water suppression system that large with hundreds of sprinkler heads open at the same time? Pressure, meaning access to water to feed it. Mismanagement of water resources as we have seen before in CA, could have played a role, is his guess. System only works if it has water.

HTH.

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From the first article:

"Officials said the building has a fire suppression system, which was operating but was compromised when a portion of the roof collapsed. "

techno-ag said:

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IIIHorn said:

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Was their inventory wiped out?

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Huge paper loss.

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Yer on a roll.

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"Officials said the building has a fire suppression system, which was operating but was compromised when a portion of the roof collapsed. "

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Seems like a design flaw in tilt wall construction? More common for that type of construction, walls will pull away from the roof, lessening support, roof collapses. Further just because the suppression system was "operational" does not mean it was at optimum output.

OTOH, how high were the paper products stacked? Did they go up to nearly the ceiling line? That would impede the functionality of a ceiling based water suppression system.

Whether or not this was arson, the mechanics of how this fire spread and why requires additional analysis.

Stacks of toilet paper or paper towels burn faster than regular paper because the hollow tube in the center creates a chimney-like airflow path.

aggiehawg said:

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"Officials said the building has a fire suppression system, which was operating but was compromised when a portion of the roof collapsed. "

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Seems like a design flaw in tilt wall construction? More common for that type of construction, walls will pull away from the roof, lessening support, roof collapses. Further just because the suppression system was "operational" does not mean it was at optimum output.

OTOH, how high were the paper products stacked? Did they go up to nearly the ceiling line? That would impede the functionality of a ceiling based water suppression system.

Whether or not this was arson, the mechanics of how this fire spread and why requires additional analysis.

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It spread because the guy on the forklift drove around and set many pallets on fire across the warehouse.